There can be no doubt that iOS is a computer operating system of which Apple has 100% market share. That market share is used to limit competition in Apps and Advertising
Oh, I see. Well, in that case I think Apple should change its mind when Google allows Apple to do the same on its platforms.
Wellllllllll, Google are whinging care of their 'hand puppet' 'Ad Mob'.
'Oh dear...' (high voice.)*
Re-he-heally?
Tell you what, Google, I'll innovate, create a platform, let you come along, act as a mole on my board of directors, steal my ideas, compete with me...and expect me to pay for your intellectual and creative bankruptcy. Then squeal about it in the press following an overpriced acquisition. Oh dear. Well, you backed the wrong horse Ad-Mob. And Google, looks like you over paid by half a billion...
Yeah, that sounds fair. I'll work my ass off and pay for your lunch.
Sounds like Google and Eric don't like the heat in Apple's back yard.
You never rub Stevie boy's rhubarb.
...and the smack down has only just begun. Wait until the inevitable sales avalanche of the iPhone 4, iPad and an iPhone on Verizon Tsunami's their ass.
Google. What do they do again? A search engine (whoop) and get ad revenue. ('Pheep.')
You can't have a monopoly (100%) on your own product!!
There are plenty other OSs and phones on the market.
Does Sony have a monopoly ? It has 100% of the PS3 market....
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This argument is wrong - remember Psystar, who made unauthorized Mac clones? They tried to argue that Apple has a monopoly on the OS X operating system - the court shot that down immediately, as OS X is only one of a number of operating systems.
That would be like arguing that Ford has a monopoly on Ford engines.
Then by the same arguments, Microsoft does not have any sort of monopoly and should not be criticized as such.
So, given that the new provision does not prohibit Apple or most other mobile ad companies from collecting the data, are they all violating user privacy?
Anyone who tracks your movements and keeps a database of it, based on user identifiable information, is violating your privacy. If you explicitly give your permission, that mitigates the inappropriateness of it to some extent, but only if you are able to give informed consent -- i.e., they tell you exactly what they will do with it and are honest about that. Apple should keep any of this advertising data, separate from any data they are required to collect as part of their other business concerns.
However, we all know that public enemy number one, because they do the most tracking and have the most extensive databases, cross referenced from the most sources, is Google. Their entire business model is based on violating privacy and intellectual property law. Android is nothing more than another lure to give them access to more and more data on more and more people, and AdMob was bought for the same reason, and probably also, specifically, so they could monitor iPhone usage and have a window into Apple's business. They are an entirely immoral, rapacious and ultimately destructive company with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
You can be all gung ho over Google and make your snarky comments, but the bottom line is that you are posting here in support of a company that went over to the dark side so long ago that it's not clear that they didn't start there. Whether you are unable to see that, choose not to, profit by it or just get your kicks that way, when you act in support of evil, you share in it.
One constant in human nature is self-interest. In many respects the tendency to look after one's own interests is a good thing. Where this becomes absurd is when a company thinks we should be looking after their self-interest, even at the expense of our own.
Microsoft has made trillions of dollars off that strategy.
That's it? A user has to click OK once to let them collect data and this is supposed to stifle competition. An average user clicks ok without even reading what the device is asking. A good thing for those who want privacy, and a non issue for those who don't even know what privacy is.
Google just dedicated their entireGoogle I/O 2010 conference to declaringwar on Apple. It got downright nasty. Not a partnership, not competitors, all out war. All of Google's new business interests meet one sole criteria: "Does it compete with Apple?"
I couldn't agree more that in the case of advertising revenue, competition yields the best results.
So do your job AdMob and compete! That's like saying a race car driver can't try to pass another driver and block them. Google and AdMob have a huge headstart on Apple iAd. So if they have the better car and driver they shouldn't be worried about Apple passing them not mention blocking them.
"We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won?t let them." SJ
Life's a bitch AdMob/Google. So stop crying because turn about is fair play. Just be glad they haven't decided to go in the search business and boot you off all their products.
Google just dedicated their entireGoogle I/O 2010 conference to declaringwar on Apple. It got downright nasty. Not a partnership, not competitors, all out war. All of Google's new business interests meet one sole criteria: "Does it compete with Apple?"
What the f**k did Google expect? Seriously.
Omar Hamoui should grow himself a pair of nads.
You knew Google was going to do this because their stock ride was coming to an end if they didn't refocus and evolve.
They just don't like the fact that Apple is declaring no free rides.
That's it? A user has to click OK once to let them collect data and this is supposed to stifle competition. An average user clicks ok without even reading what the device is asking. A good thing for those who want privacy, and a non issue for those who don't even know what privacy is.
Google doesn't like the legal liability ramifications with this one change.
Google's dream to be bigger than Microsoft is never going to happen.
Great! Does this mean Google is planning to give away all their proprietary advantages too? I bet lots of people would like to peak into the Google search algorithms, PageRank, etc. It would be really terrible for customers if Google kept it closed. Everyone knows that competitors are supposed to help each other. At minimum I'm sure we'll see Google open GMail, Google Search, Buzz, etc to third party ad services. Apple can integrate iAds directly into google.com -- it's going to be magical.
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There can be no doubt that iOS is a computer operating system of which Apple has 100% market share. That market share is used to limit competition in Apps and Advertising
Oh, I see. Well, in that case I think Apple should change its mind when Google allows Apple to do the same on its platforms.
Sheesh...
There can be no doubt that iOS is a computer operating system of which Apple has 100% market share. etc etc
There can be no doubt that you really don't have a clue.
'Oh dear...' (high voice.)*
Re-he-heally?
Tell you what, Google, I'll innovate, create a platform, let you come along, act as a mole on my board of directors, steal my ideas, compete with me...and expect me to pay for your intellectual and creative bankruptcy. Then squeal about it in the press following an overpriced acquisition. Oh dear. Well, you backed the wrong horse Ad-Mob. And Google, looks like you over paid by half a billion...
Yeah, that sounds fair. I'll work my ass off and pay for your lunch.
Sounds like Google and Eric don't like the heat in Apple's back yard.
You never rub Stevie boy's rhubarb.
...and the smack down has only just begun. Wait until the inevitable sales avalanche of the iPhone 4, iPad and an iPhone on Verizon Tsunami's their ass.
Google. What do they do again? A search engine (whoop) and get ad revenue. ('Pheep.')
*Tiny violin.
Lemon Bon Bon.
You can't have a monopoly (100%) on your own product!!
There are plenty other OSs and phones on the market.
Does Sony have a monopoly ? It has 100% of the PS3 market....
This argument is wrong - remember Psystar, who made unauthorized Mac clones? They tried to argue that Apple has a monopoly on the OS X operating system - the court shot that down immediately, as OS X is only one of a number of operating systems.
That would be like arguing that Ford has a monopoly on Ford engines.
Then by the same arguments, Microsoft does not have any sort of monopoly and should not be criticized as such.
So, given that the new provision does not prohibit Apple or most other mobile ad companies from collecting the data, are they all violating user privacy?
Anyone who tracks your movements and keeps a database of it, based on user identifiable information, is violating your privacy. If you explicitly give your permission, that mitigates the inappropriateness of it to some extent, but only if you are able to give informed consent -- i.e., they tell you exactly what they will do with it and are honest about that. Apple should keep any of this advertising data, separate from any data they are required to collect as part of their other business concerns.
However, we all know that public enemy number one, because they do the most tracking and have the most extensive databases, cross referenced from the most sources, is Google. Their entire business model is based on violating privacy and intellectual property law. Android is nothing more than another lure to give them access to more and more data on more and more people, and AdMob was bought for the same reason, and probably also, specifically, so they could monitor iPhone usage and have a window into Apple's business. They are an entirely immoral, rapacious and ultimately destructive company with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
You can be all gung ho over Google and make your snarky comments, but the bottom line is that you are posting here in support of a company that went over to the dark side so long ago that it's not clear that they didn't start there. Whether you are unable to see that, choose not to, profit by it or just get your kicks that way, when you act in support of evil, you share in it.
One constant in human nature is self-interest. In many respects the tendency to look after one's own interests is a good thing. Where this becomes absurd is when a company thinks we should be looking after their self-interest, even at the expense of our own.
Microsoft has made trillions of dollars off that strategy.
Hey, I don't want ANY information about me, my phone, my life, me in general going to anyone, when I make a phone call.
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Sorry folks, this is just getting a bit scary for me.
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I absolutely agree.
Microsoft has made trillions of dollars off that strategy.
Well I'd agree... but trillions?
What the f**k did Google expect? Seriously.
Omar Hamoui should grow himself a pair of nads.
So do your job AdMob and compete! That's like saying a race car driver can't try to pass another driver and block them. Google and AdMob have a huge headstart on Apple iAd. So if they have the better car and driver they shouldn't be worried about Apple passing them not mention blocking them.
Anyone who tracks your movements and keeps a database of it, based on user identifiable information, is violating your privacy.
Then I suggest you don't buy any apps from Apple that include iAds, because they are all violating your privacy.
Life's a bitch AdMob/Google. So stop crying because turn about is fair play. Just be glad they haven't decided to go in the search business and boot you off all their products.
You shouldn't mess with the Job meister. LOL.
Then I suggest you don't buy any apps from Apple that include iAds, because they are all violating your privacy.
More snark? That's really all you have isn't it?
Then I suggest you don't buy any apps from Apple that include iAds, because they are all violating your privacy.
Ahem. From Section 3.3.9 of Apple’s developer agreement:
You and Your Applications may not collect, use, or disclose to any third party, user or device data without prior user consent
Isn't it like, really easy to implement iAds?
Yes it is.
Google just dedicated their entire Google I/O 2010 conference to declaring war on Apple. It got downright nasty. Not a partnership, not competitors, all out war. All of Google's new business interests meet one sole criteria: "Does it compete with Apple?"
What the f**k did Google expect? Seriously.
Omar Hamoui should grow himself a pair of nads.
You knew Google was going to do this because their stock ride was coming to an end if they didn't refocus and evolve.
They just don't like the fact that Apple is declaring no free rides.
That's it? A user has to click OK once to let them collect data and this is supposed to stifle competition. An average user clicks ok without even reading what the device is asking. A good thing for those who want privacy, and a non issue for those who don't even know what privacy is.
Google doesn't like the legal liability ramifications with this one change.
Google's dream to be bigger than Microsoft is never going to happen.