Hold off those video card purchases (details on GeForce 4 family/new ATI cards)

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  • Reply 41 of 97
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    perhaps I should have said a "quieter" PowerMac.



    or at least one that adjusts to temperature. My room is like 40 degrees right now and my G4 is just as loud as it is when its 110.
  • Reply 42 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    You're G4 is at 110?



    I'm at 37º C right now...
  • Reply 42 of 97
    Yo I emailed you some of the pics.
  • Reply 44 of 97
    [quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:

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    The GeForce 4 MX will have integrated TV encoder (maximum resolution 1024x768, support nView technology (dual DVI version is also to be available) and will be HDTV ready.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I just wonder if Steve will actively encourage them to take out the TV functions or simply ignore them in software. Either way, I'll bet dollars to donuts that we will once again be excluded from the computer-TV integration revolution as our PC counterparts laugh and Steve keeps blathering about turning our minds on.
  • Reply 45 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    Here they are:















    PixelView? Blech! Who are they? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 46 of 97
    Thanks for doing the honors! Actually I've read some reviews on their cards and they have been very good. And I just love those boxes, I'd buy one just because of the cool box!
  • Reply 47 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    Nah, the boxes for the Radeon are much cooler IMHO. Then again, we don't buy video cards based on their boxes...right?







    Coolest video card box evAr!!! (and a cool card to boot)
  • Reply 48 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    By the way, on a side note, ATI officially announced the All-In-Wonder Radeon 7500, basically a 8500DV card based off the 7500 chipset. Pretty cool, especially considering it only costs $199 MSRP.
  • Reply 49 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    Here they are:















    PixelView? Blech! Who are they? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 50 of 97
    I already mentioned that hehe.
  • Reply 51 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    I wonder which model I'm going to spring for in that Athlon system (someday I'll do it... ). Maybe the $199 model, if it can be found for $170 or so online.



    For what vendor are the prices for, Tiger?



    I heard the MX420 would perform somewhere between the GF2 Ti/Pro and the GF3 Ti 200, closer to the GF2. Not bad, but the Pro's can be had for ~$80 now.
  • Reply 52 of 97
    Those prices are basically just in general. I think Visiontek GeForce 4 MX440 was going for around $129 or so on the web as pre-order. I'm still thinking about an Athlon XP 200+ system, although a G5 next month would erase that totally. I would say the GeForce4 MX460 seems to be the sweet spot. Most likely in between 150-199 and packs a lot of punch.
  • Reply 53 of 97
    Check it while I wreck it.



    New info to add to the assault.



    First off, the new PowerMacs are first with nVidia's GeForce4 MX. Wonder which variant it is? MX440 or MX460? Performance looks a little low to me. Also Radeon 7500 on the low-end machine? What? This card isn't even listed for Mac.



    <a href="http://www.apple.com/powermac"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/powermac</a>



    I have some juicy info regarding ATI's next stab, aimed to compete with the new GF4. It also concerns Apple as they have been listed as an upcoming business partner for these new cards.



    With its deepening cooperation with graphics chip designer ATI Technologies, graphics card maker CP Technology will match the pace of the Canadian company in launching new products. CP Technology’s revenue from the OEM sector is expected to rise to 20% of its total revenues after it receives some of ATI’s own OEM orders. In the own-brand segment, the card maker will focus more on medium and high-end products this year.

    CP Technology jumped from the Nvidia camp to ATI last year. Company CEO Ted Chen said that fueled by the improvement in product launch pace, ATI’s market share in the desktop market should be able to rise to 40% this year. Being one of the chip designers’ three direct-account clients, CP Technology is expected to benefit from the company’s business expansion as well.



    ATI’s advantage in power management technology has allowed the company to take the lead in the notebook market, where ATI’s share is as high as 65%. However, in the desktop PC sector, ATI’s market share of 30% remains far lower than Nvidia’s 60%. In the second half of 2001, ATI began to shrink the gap by improving its product launch speed, which has now gradually caught up with Nvidia’s.



    This year, CP Technology will work side by side with ATI in launching new products, company executive vice-president Larry Yeo said. The card maker has already finished developing products based on ATI’s latest RV250 chips, scheduled to be introduced in March. Yeo noted that performance of the RV250 is estimated to be 1.5 times better than that of the Radeon 8500. ATI plans to roll out a new core RV300 chip in the second quarter and a RV350 chip by year-end. The roadmap shows that ATI’s product portfolio has become more and more complete.



    The card maker is also expected to see business growing in its OEM operation this year, as ATI begins to release some of its clients’ orders. CP Technology is rather optimistic about its business outlook, especially as ATI has secured several international PC clients such as Dell Computer, Hewlett-Packard (HP), NEC and Apple Computer.



    The card manufacturer is also gradually shifting its production to China. Its production ratio in China is estimated to increase to 50% in 2002 from 20% in 2001.





    Enjoy folks.





    P.S. These new towers better be a f*ckin stop gap solution. I'm STILL waiting.
  • Reply 54 of 97
    Obviously nobody has looked at the other info I have put up.
  • Reply 55 of 97
    macaddictmacaddict Posts: 1,055member
    Mmm...sounds good. I wonder what the new chipsets will be called. R300 does sound pretty cool though...NV25 and NV20 sound cool too. Why don't these guys just stick with their codenames?



    I bet Apple is using the MX 420...just sounds like Apple.
  • Reply 56 of 97
    tarbashtarbash Posts: 278member
    Is it just me or do those GF4 boxes look kinda like Nintendo 64 game boxes... ? (Bigger of course)
  • Reply 57 of 97
    Nah, the MX420 uses SDRAM. Apple's not that cheap fortunately!
  • Reply 58 of 97
    Just got some new info for you all to chew on. This is the press release for Asus' GeForce 4 cards. Note the date





    ASUS Announces Comprehensive Graphics Card Lineup

    Based on NVIDIA GeForce4 GPUs

    Taipei, Taiwan, February 6, 2002 World-leading technology solution manufacturer, ASUSTeK Computer Inc., today announced the most comprehensive graphics card lineup based on the advanced NVIDIA GeForce4 GPU (graphical processor units) family. ASUS combines NVIDIA?s latest GeForce4 technology with innovative engineering to deliver most powerful graphics cards for a variety of segments.



    ASUS V8460 Series GeForce4 Ti 4600 Graphics Card

    ASUS V8460Ultra series is powered by the most advanced graphics processing unit on earth the GeForce4 Ti 4600. A core clock speed of 330MHz and memory clock speed of 660MHz, combined with 128MB DDR SDRAM provide the ultimate graphics experience with revolutionary technologies such as: nFiniteFX"! II engine for complex geometry and animation, Accuview Antialiasing"! for unbeatable visual quality and frame rate, as well as nView for multiple display flexibility and user control.



    ASUS V8440 Series GeForce4 Ti 4400 Graphics Card

    ASUS V8440 Series is powered by the GeForce4 Ti 4400 GPU. A core clock speed of 300MHz and memory clock speed of 550MHz, combined with 128MB DDR SDRAM provides exceptional performance in all the latest games and applications. Also included are revolutionary technologies such as: nFiniteFX"! II engine for complex geometry and animation, Accuview Antialiasing"! for unbeatable visual quality and frame rate, as well as nView for multiple display flexibility and user control.



    ASUS V8170Pro GeForce4 MX Pro Graphics Card

    With the most integrated GPU, the GeForce4 MX Pro, the V8170 delivers best performance and value for mainstream PCs. 64MB of DDR SDRAM integrated with 300MHz core clock speed and 550MHz memory clock speed provide ample performance for all multimedia applications. The V8170 also includes new technologies such as: Lightspeed Memory Architecture"! II, nView, and Accuview Antialiasing"!



    ASUS V8170DDR GeForce4 MX DDR Graphics Card

    The V8170DDR leverages the GeForce4 MX DDR GPU with 64MB DDR SDRAM to provide competitive performance and value for mainstream PCs. Core clock speed runs at 270MHz and memory clock speed is 400MHz. Some GeForce 4 MX DDR technologies included are: Lightspeed Memory Architecture"! II, nView, and Accuview Antialiasing"!



    ASUS V8170SE GeForce4 MX SDR Graphics Card

    The V8170SE provides reliable and cost-effective GeForce 4 MX perfomance for mainstream PCs. Using the GeForce4 MX SDR GPU and 64MB of SDRAM, the V8170SE has a core clock speed of 250MHz and a memory clock speed of 166MHz. It also includes new GeForce4 MX technologies such as: Lightspeed Memory Architecture"! II, nView, and Accuview Antialiasing"!.



    ASUS graphics cards based on GeForce4 technology will be shipping in quantities late February 2002. For more details check the company website located at <a href="http://www.asus.com."; target="_blank">http://www.asus.com.</a>;



    This comfirms nVidia's launch date for the family as being Febuary 6th not Febuary 5th like I originally stated.



    On another note, the big discussion is in regards to the performance of the GF4 MX as opposed to the GF3. There aren't many benches up, but the GF3 is getting slightly better performance than the GF 4MX in Apple's new G4s. This is by way of a couple testers and Apple's own benchmarks. It should be pointed out that the MX variant of the GF4 is based on the NV17 core, not the NV25 or true GF4. I think this is still good considering these are nVidia's low end offerings, and they should be on par if not better than a GF3 Ti 200. The GF3 Ti 500 is definitely going to come out on top I think. Should be interesting to see the PC performance when these things start to ship from the various card makers.



    Check back as I get more info.
  • Reply 59 of 97
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,458member
    But why-o-why-o-why doesn't Apple either provide build-to-order options for the higher end cards, or a "no video card" option?!? I don't want to buy a video card with the machine just to replace it with one that I buy from a 3rd party.
  • Reply 60 of 97
    I totally agree. Wondering what kinda fps a Radeon 8500 would get on the new G4s. I think that would've been a better card to have.
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