Nokia's official blog has jumped on the iPhone 4 "death grip" bandwagon in a posting that suggests the company's mobiles don't share the same issues related to blocking a phone's antenna, despite having earlier published instructions that tell users to avoid holding its phones in a way that might block the antenna.
They are in the process of selling wine with all the sour grapes they have.
exactly!
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Originally Posted by jfanning
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And don't forget, Apple had an ad banned in the UK for misrepresentation
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
I don't care how many they show, I replied to this statement, which is incorrect...
If they weren't making any false statements why was the ad banned?
The fact that you don't care 'how many they show' tells me that you have no clue as to how to sensibly interpret data.
If thousands and thousands of ads are being shown across the world and one of them, the same one as that shown in other countries, was found to contain 'false statements' in one country, it could quite likely be the mistake of the regulator as well. That could be equally a valid reason for why the ad was banned. No one else seemed to have a problem with it (not even the rest of the EU, to which the UK belongs).
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
Thanks (if true). It's amazing how some of these urban myths persist and propagate.
is there a justification from all iphone users, that if Nokia phones also have antenna issues, then there is no failure on part of iPhone antenna
the joke isn't that the iphone lacks this issue. It's that Nokia tried to make a big todo out of 'you can hold your nokia however you want' when their own instructions say other wise.
I don't care how many they show, I replied to this statement, which is incorrect...
If they weren't making any false statements why was the ad banned?
Ads in the UK, as in some other countries of the Eu are not allowed to say a number of things, truthful or not. For example, you're not allowed to compare your product to a competitors. You're not allowed to use generalities the way we can here, where people understand it's not meant to be literal. They're very paternalistic over there.
You don't have to be saying something that's untrue.
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
Well there was an ad for the G5 being the world's fastest personal computer which was taken off air in the UK because Apple couldn't substantiate the claim. 2003 if memory serves.
Well there was an ad for the G5 being the world's fastest personal computer which was taken off air in the UK because Apple couldn't substantiate the claim. 2003 if memory serves.
The thing is, it was at the time, according to comparison tests done by various sites here.
The thing is, it was at the time, according to comparison tests done by various sites here.
But, as these things go, that wasn't for long.
The disagreement was over the compilers used, Apple's favoring the G5 and Intel's favoring the PC, with both sides having what they believed to be valid points. But heck, let's not open that can of worms again.
My point was that there was at least one case I can remember that supported the poster's contention. For all I know, perhaps there are more, but that's conjecture.
Actually you're mistaken about comparative advertising in the UK. I worked there for a while and saw examples of it from time to time, mostly in retail ads. So they are allowed, as the following illustrates:
The Directive requires that the advert:
1. must not be misleading;
2. must objectively compare goods or services meeting the same needs or intended for the same purpose;
3. must objectively compare features of the goods including prices;
4. must not discredit or denigrate the trade marks or other activities or services of the competitor;
5. where it relates to products with a designation of origin, relates only to products with the same designation;
6. must not take unfair advantage of the competitors trade mark or its reputation;
7. must not present the goods or services as imitations or replicas of those bearing the trade mark; and
8. must not create confusion between the advertiser and trade mark owner.
Don't know about the rest of Europe though. Just clarifying so we can move on.
Are you still posting that crap from last year, the N97 might be a failure of a device in your viewpoint, but they have had firmware updates since then
And don't forget, Apple had an ad banned in the UK for misrepresentation
And I will keep posting it whenever I want. You have problem with that? I suggest you post something that prove the update fixed the problems. Saying they release an update doesn't help you view point. The N97 UI is crap.
Like that add with cute Japanese girl (camera?) happily chitchatting with Mac guy while PC guy was standing clueless.
And we all know that PCs have much more limited support for 3rd party hardware and appliances than Macs.
Please state a specific lie that Apple told.
The reality is that Macs are much easier to use than PCs. I know a LOT of Windows PC users who aren't able to take advantage of any of that wide range of hardware and software because of the complexity. The same people who seem to be able to use Macs without any difficulty.
There's a difference between having access to something and having it be usable.
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Reproducible issue on some phones. Based on this video I'd say it's leaning toward an issue that can be fixed with a SW update.
Speaking of which, has the SW fix arrived yet?
Nokia's official blog has jumped on the iPhone 4 "death grip" bandwagon in a posting that suggests the company's mobiles don't share the same issues related to blocking a phone's antenna, despite having earlier published instructions that tell users to avoid holding its phones in a way that might block the antenna.
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How does one hold a Nokia?
With a barge pole. Nokia phones are nothing but pure unadulterated crap. They are cheap badly assembled and break at the slightest hint of anything.
Nokia should go back to being a company that manufactures wood chips.
News Just In:
Holding your hand over the screen prevents normal function of the Retina Display
Holding your hand over the microphone makes it harder for the other person to hear you
Holding your hand over the aerial makes it harder for the phone to receive a signal
PS iPhone 4 owner here...not a single issue so far, even when trying to reproduce some of them..
Same thing not a single problem.It works as advertised and I love it.
JDS
Pretty hillarious really, get a little older and that thinking that the product you buy is the only good product will wear away....
Where are the launch day articles of this issue for Nokia devices?
An ad in a country? How many ads does Apple show in how many countries in a typical year?
I don't care how many they show, I replied to this statement, which is incorrect...
The difference, of course, is that Apple's ads didn't make outright false statements.
If they weren't making any false statements why was the ad banned?
They are in the process of selling wine with all the sour grapes they have.
...
And don't forget, Apple had an ad banned in the UK for misrepresentation
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
I don't care how many they show, I replied to this statement, which is incorrect...
If they weren't making any false statements why was the ad banned?
The fact that you don't care 'how many they show' tells me that you have no clue as to how to sensibly interpret data.
If thousands and thousands of ads are being shown across the world and one of them, the same one as that shown in other countries, was found to contain 'false statements' in one country, it could quite likely be the mistake of the regulator as well. That could be equally a valid reason for why the ad was banned. No one else seemed to have a problem with it (not even the rest of the EU, to which the UK belongs).
Seems like ya'll are pretty defensive lashing at Nokia because they lashed at Apple.
Pretty hillarious really, get a little older and that thinking that the product you buy is the only good product will wear away....
Where are the launch day articles of this issue for Nokia devices?
Not too many people seem to care much about Nokia launch days. That's not just here. Maybe in Europe somewhere.
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
Thanks (if true). It's amazing how some of these urban myths persist and propagate.
is there a justification from all iphone users, that if Nokia phones also have antenna issues, then there is no failure on part of iPhone antenna
the joke isn't that the iphone lacks this issue. It's that Nokia tried to make a big todo out of 'you can hold your nokia however you want' when their own instructions say other wise.
so they should have kept their mouths shut.
I don't care how many they show, I replied to this statement, which is incorrect...
If they weren't making any false statements why was the ad banned?
Ads in the UK, as in some other countries of the Eu are not allowed to say a number of things, truthful or not. For example, you're not allowed to compare your product to a competitors. You're not allowed to use generalities the way we can here, where people understand it's not meant to be literal. They're very paternalistic over there.
You don't have to be saying something that's untrue.
Which one if I may ask? If you are referring to the apps and apps store, the last time I read, the ASA (Advertising Standard Agency) sided and agree with Apple with their claim that Apple have apps that can do everything and can only be found in iPhone. Did you even read until until the end?
Well there was an ad for the G5 being the world's fastest personal computer which was taken off air in the UK because Apple couldn't substantiate the claim. 2003 if memory serves.
Well there was an ad for the G5 being the world's fastest personal computer which was taken off air in the UK because Apple couldn't substantiate the claim. 2003 if memory serves.
The thing is, it was at the time, according to comparison tests done by various sites here.
But, as these things go, that wasn't for long.
The thing is, it was at the time, according to comparison tests done by various sites here.
But, as these things go, that wasn't for long.
The disagreement was over the compilers used, Apple's favoring the G5 and Intel's favoring the PC, with both sides having what they believed to be valid points. But heck, let's not open that can of worms again.
My point was that there was at least one case I can remember that supported the poster's contention. For all I know, perhaps there are more, but that's conjecture.
Actually you're mistaken about comparative advertising in the UK. I worked there for a while and saw examples of it from time to time, mostly in retail ads. So they are allowed, as the following illustrates:
The Directive requires that the advert:
1. must not be misleading;
2. must objectively compare goods or services meeting the same needs or intended for the same purpose;
3. must objectively compare features of the goods including prices;
4. must not discredit or denigrate the trade marks or other activities or services of the competitor;
5. where it relates to products with a designation of origin, relates only to products with the same designation;
6. must not take unfair advantage of the competitors trade mark or its reputation;
7. must not present the goods or services as imitations or replicas of those bearing the trade mark; and
8. must not create confusion between the advertiser and trade mark owner.
Don't know about the rest of Europe though. Just clarifying so we can move on.
Are you still posting that crap from last year, the N97 might be a failure of a device in your viewpoint, but they have had firmware updates since then
And don't forget, Apple had an ad banned in the UK for misrepresentation
And I will keep posting it whenever I want. You have problem with that? I suggest you post something that prove the update fixed the problems. Saying they release an update doesn't help you view point. The N97 UI is crap.
The difference, of course, is that Apple's ads didn't make outright false statements.
Like that add with cute Japanese girl (camera?) happily chitchatting with Mac guy while PC guy was standing clueless.
And we all know that PCs have much more limited support for 3rd party hardware and appliances than Macs.
should i bring back the car or should i bring back the radio?
Like that add with cute Japanese girl (camera?) happily chitchatting with Mac guy while PC guy was standing clueless.
And we all know that PCs have much more limited support for 3rd party hardware and appliances than Macs.
Please state a specific lie that Apple told.
The reality is that Macs are much easier to use than PCs. I know a LOT of Windows PC users who aren't able to take advantage of any of that wide range of hardware and software because of the complexity. The same people who seem to be able to use Macs without any difficulty.
There's a difference between having access to something and having it be usable.