Wow! Cheap series 40 phones, which, by the way, are NOT smartphones. They are feature phones, and before long, the way Nokia is going, will be all they will be selling.
We are, as you may have noticed, talking about REAL smartphones.
Don't forget that Apple was nearly backrupt a couple of years ago, things change.
A couple of years ago? Maybe 13 years ago. Even then they weren't near bankruptcy. But Nokia is surely on the way down. That's one reason why they reorganized their company AGAIN.
It doesn't mean they can't right themselves, but it doesn't look to good now.
The disagreement was over the compilers used, Apple's favoring the G5 and Intel's favoring the PC, with both sides having what they believed to be valid points. But heck, let's not open that can of worms again.
My point was that there was at least one case I can remember that supported the poster's contention. For all I know, perhaps there are more, but that's conjecture.
Actually you're mistaken about comparative advertising in the UK. I worked there for a while and saw examples of it from time to time, mostly in retail ads. So they are allowed, as the following illustrates:
The Directive requires that the advert:
1. must not be misleading;
2. must objectively compare goods or services meeting the same needs or intended for the same purpose;
3. must objectively compare features of the goods including prices;
4. must not discredit or denigrate the trade marks or other activities or services of the competitor;
5. where it relates to products with a designation of origin, relates only to products with the same designation;
6. must not take unfair advantage of the competitors trade mark or its reputation;
7. must not present the goods or services as imitations or replicas of those bearing the trade mark; and
8. must not create confusion between the advertiser and trade mark owner.
Don't know about the rest of Europe though. Just clarifying so we can move on.
Compiler => Processor Architecture.
The PowerPC G5 RISC Architecture for Apple and the x86/x86_EM64/x86_amd64 CoreDuo/Core2Duo/etc., CISC/RISC Architecture for Intel.
"Although some 88.7 percent of all phones used in Finland are manufactured by Nokia." and the rest is maybe, could be under pressure. Yeah, so their market share is really down lots...
Again, we're talking about SMARTPONES Remember? You're upset because coverage isn't given to Nokia's weekend releases. Who covers releases of cheap throw-away phones?
Apple has taken 20+% of the smartphone market in Finland, and it's increasing. Suck on that for a while.
The corollary, of course, is that in the markets where that is allowed, consumers expect to be fed some BS. What would you prefer?
I would prefer that the government not exert censorship over every aspect of advertising, assuming that the entire public is too stupid to know what they're seeing.
Outright lies, and deception is one thing, but exaggeration is a part of marketing. We even do it in our lives, though some won't admit that. Most people can filter it out.
I remember a long time ago, when I was in advertising, when Campbell Soup was fined here for putting some marbles in the bottom of the soup bowl because when the film was shot, it didn't look like the real thing. So they used enough marbles to make it look right. But that wasn't allowed, and they got caught. I thought it was funny at the time, but they should have been allowed to show why, and the result of what they had done.
Maybe now you can stop claiming that the firmware fixes those problems.
Why would I, if you do a search for N97 firmware updates it clearly says they have UI improvements in them, if you want to live in your little dream world then that's fine by me.
I would prefer that the government not exert censorship over every aspect of advertising, assuming that the entire public is too stupid to know what they're seeing.
Outright lies, and deception is one thing, but exaggeration is a part of marketing. We even do it in our lives, though some won't admit that. Most people can filter it out.
I remember a long time ago, when I was in advertising, when Campbell Soup was fined here for putting some marbles in the bottom of the soup bowl because when the film was shot, it didn't look like the real thing. So they used enough marbles to make it look right. But that wasn't allowed, and they got caught. I thought it was funny at the time, but they should have been allowed to show why, and the result of what they had done.
But when the rules are made, it's either or.
I guess you and and I are from different schools then. But that's what makes the world go round.
Wow! Cheap series 40 phones, which, by the way, are NOT smartphones. They are feature phones, and before long, the way Nokia is going, will be all they will be selling.
We are, as you may have noticed, talking about REAL smartphones.
REAL smartphones?? What is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone?
And yet that is what people were saying about Apple at the time as well.
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself? It doesn't matter what other companies have done. What matters is what Nokia can do. I don't want to see them go under the way Palm did. I don't think anyone here does. Competition is good. But they have serious problems. Problems they have admitted to, and problems which YOU don't want to admit they have.
Tell me how many links you want me to put here to show you a progression over the past year or two.
Though it is 3:30 am here, and so I'll have to continue tomorrow some time.
Those are the only two that I'm aware of in recent years.
Apple's "I'm a Mac" commercials only lasted for one set of ads in the UK too. I'm not entirely sure why. Perhaps because of the bold claims, perhaps due to their choice of actors.
I'm glad that we've got a strong advertising watchdog in this country. It keeps companies honest and ultimately leads to better adverts.
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself?
I think that they're slowly turning the corner. Their Qt strategy is a smart one and the changes they've recently made to the Ovi app store are great. They've also committed themselves to producing fewer models per year.
Symbian^4 and the first release of MeeGo will be make or break for the company. If either is significantly delayed or isn't competitive then they're likely to become the next Motorola.
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself? It doesn't matter what other companies have done. What matters is what Nokia can do. I don't want to see them go under the way Palm did. I don't think anyone here does. Competition is good. But they have serious problems. Problems they have admitted to, and problems which YOU don't want to admit they have.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Tell me how many links you want me to put here to show you a progression over the past year or two.
Though it is 3:30 am here, and so I'll have to continue tomorrow some time.
You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
Before smartphones came along they were pretty much the phone of choice for most people I knew, particularly when I was selling mobile phones a while back.
The best thing about Nokias used to be the the menu system was simple and worked the same across a wide range of phones - if you could master one you could get almost any Nokia phone up and running quickly.
The same with the power cords - everyone had a Nokia power cord which you could borrow if you happened to run out of juice somewhere which wasn't often as the battery life was generally pretty good.
I think Nokia started to go wrong when they changed the menu system around so it was different for lots of different models, and this ran through to the change in power charger connections. It just became so counter intuitive and hard to work. I think it has mirrored the culture at Nokia quite accurately, it just took a while to become obvious to all.
Of course smartphones are a different kettle of fish. Maybe Nokia need to cosy up to Android more and dump Ovi or even Symbian?
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Yeah, the US lives in a little deluded world all of it own...
http://tnerd.com/2010/06/09/nokia-c3...ses-on-launch/
Wow! Cheap series 40 phones, which, by the way, are NOT smartphones. They are feature phones, and before long, the way Nokia is going, will be all they will be selling.
We are, as you may have noticed, talking about REAL smartphones.
Don't forget that Apple was nearly backrupt a couple of years ago, things change.
A couple of years ago? Maybe 13 years ago. Even then they weren't near bankruptcy. But Nokia is surely on the way down. That's one reason why they reorganized their company AGAIN.
It doesn't mean they can't right themselves, but it doesn't look to good now.
The disagreement was over the compilers used, Apple's favoring the G5 and Intel's favoring the PC, with both sides having what they believed to be valid points. But heck, let's not open that can of worms again.
My point was that there was at least one case I can remember that supported the poster's contention. For all I know, perhaps there are more, but that's conjecture.
Actually you're mistaken about comparative advertising in the UK. I worked there for a while and saw examples of it from time to time, mostly in retail ads. So they are allowed, as the following illustrates:
The Directive requires that the advert:
1. must not be misleading;
2. must objectively compare goods or services meeting the same needs or intended for the same purpose;
3. must objectively compare features of the goods including prices;
4. must not discredit or denigrate the trade marks or other activities or services of the competitor;
5. where it relates to products with a designation of origin, relates only to products with the same designation;
6. must not take unfair advantage of the competitors trade mark or its reputation;
7. must not present the goods or services as imitations or replicas of those bearing the trade mark; and
8. must not create confusion between the advertiser and trade mark owner.
Don't know about the rest of Europe though. Just clarifying so we can move on.
Compiler => Processor Architecture.
The PowerPC G5 RISC Architecture for Apple and the x86/x86_EM64/x86_amd64 CoreDuo/Core2Duo/etc., CISC/RISC Architecture for Intel.
Did you actually read that first article?!
"Although some 88.7 percent of all phones used in Finland are manufactured by Nokia." and the rest is maybe, could be under pressure. Yeah, so their market share is really down lots...
Again, we're talking about SMARTPONES Remember? You're upset because coverage isn't given to Nokia's weekend releases. Who covers releases of cheap throw-away phones?
Apple has taken 20+% of the smartphone market in Finland, and it's increasing. Suck on that for a while.
The corollary, of course, is that in the markets where that is allowed, consumers expect to be fed some BS. What would you prefer?
I would prefer that the government not exert censorship over every aspect of advertising, assuming that the entire public is too stupid to know what they're seeing.
Outright lies, and deception is one thing, but exaggeration is a part of marketing. We even do it in our lives, though some won't admit that. Most people can filter it out.
I remember a long time ago, when I was in advertising, when Campbell Soup was fined here for putting some marbles in the bottom of the soup bowl because when the film was shot, it didn't look like the real thing. So they used enough marbles to make it look right. But that wasn't allowed, and they got caught. I thought it was funny at the time, but they should have been allowed to show why, and the result of what they had done.
But when the rules are made, it's either or.
Maybe now you can stop claiming that the firmware fixes those problems.
Why would I, if you do a search for N97 firmware updates it clearly says they have UI improvements in them, if you want to live in your little dream world then that's fine by me.
I would prefer that the government not exert censorship over every aspect of advertising, assuming that the entire public is too stupid to know what they're seeing.
Outright lies, and deception is one thing, but exaggeration is a part of marketing. We even do it in our lives, though some won't admit that. Most people can filter it out.
I remember a long time ago, when I was in advertising, when Campbell Soup was fined here for putting some marbles in the bottom of the soup bowl because when the film was shot, it didn't look like the real thing. So they used enough marbles to make it look right. But that wasn't allowed, and they got caught. I thought it was funny at the time, but they should have been allowed to show why, and the result of what they had done.
But when the rules are made, it's either or.
I guess you and and I are from different schools then. But that's what makes the world go round.
Wow! Cheap series 40 phones, which, by the way, are NOT smartphones. They are feature phones, and before long, the way Nokia is going, will be all they will be selling.
We are, as you may have noticed, talking about REAL smartphones.
REAL smartphones?? What is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone?
It doesn't mean they can't right themselves, but it doesn't look to good now.
And yet that is what people were saying about Apple at the time as well.
Yeah, the US lives in a little deluded world all of it own...
http://tnerd.com/2010/06/09/nokia-c3...ses-on-launch/
There is no wonder because cellphones are sold unsubsidized in Indonesia. Shit like Nokia C3 priced about $110, while iPhone 3GS 16G is $750.
Compiler => Processor Architecture.
The PowerPC G5 RISC Architecture for Apple and the x86/x86_EM64/x86_amd64 CoreDuo/Core2Duo/etc., CISC/RISC Architecture for Intel.
Sorry, didn't understand exactly what you're getting at there.
Could be you're agreeing with me and expanding on what I wrote but I'm not certain.
REAL smartphones?? What is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone?
S40 phones aren't considered to be smartphones. They're feature phones. See here, and I'll give a short quote:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Devices/Series_40/
This is an official Nokia web site. The description is from Nokia themselves.
Series 40 6th Edition\t
Rich features, applications, and content for high end feature phones
I hope that lays this issue to rest.
And yet that is what people were saying about Apple at the time as well.
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself? It doesn't matter what other companies have done. What matters is what Nokia can do. I don't want to see them go under the way Palm did. I don't think anyone here does. Competition is good. But they have serious problems. Problems they have admitted to, and problems which YOU don't want to admit they have.
Tell me how many links you want me to put here to show you a progression over the past year or two.
Though it is 3:30 am here, and so I'll have to continue tomorrow some time.
"All the parts of the internet are on the iPhone" declared misleading
iPhone speed exaggerated
Those are the only two that I'm aware of in recent years.
Apple's "I'm a Mac" commercials only lasted for one set of ads in the UK too. I'm not entirely sure why. Perhaps because of the bold claims, perhaps due to their choice of actors.
I'm glad that we've got a strong advertising watchdog in this country. It keeps companies honest and ultimately leads to better adverts.
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself?
I think that they're slowly turning the corner. Their Qt strategy is a smart one and the changes they've recently made to the Ovi app store are great. They've also committed themselves to producing fewer models per year.
Symbian^4 and the first release of MeeGo will be make or break for the company. If either is significantly delayed or isn't competitive then they're likely to become the next Motorola.
I hope that lays this issue to rest.
No it doesn't, you said
We are, as you may have noticed, talking about REAL smartphones
Again I ask you, what is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone (your words, not mine)
Are you a parrot? Can you give reasons why NOKIA can right itself? It doesn't matter what other companies have done. What matters is what Nokia can do. I don't want to see them go under the way Palm did. I don't think anyone here does. Competition is good. But they have serious problems. Problems they have admitted to, and problems which YOU don't want to admit they have.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
Tell me how many links you want me to put here to show you a progression over the past year or two.
Though it is 3:30 am here, and so I'll have to continue tomorrow some time.
You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
I can get an iPhone for free, must make them junk as well then?
Just don't get caught.
Before smartphones came along they were pretty much the phone of choice for most people I knew, particularly when I was selling mobile phones a while back.
The best thing about Nokias used to be the the menu system was simple and worked the same across a wide range of phones - if you could master one you could get almost any Nokia phone up and running quickly.
The same with the power cords - everyone had a Nokia power cord which you could borrow if you happened to run out of juice somewhere which wasn't often as the battery life was generally pretty good.
I think Nokia started to go wrong when they changed the menu system around so it was different for lots of different models, and this ran through to the change in power charger connections. It just became so counter intuitive and hard to work. I think it has mirrored the culture at Nokia quite accurately, it just took a while to become obvious to all.
Of course smartphones are a different kettle of fish. Maybe Nokia need to cosy up to Android more and dump Ovi or even Symbian?