Of course smartphones are a different kettle of fish. Maybe Nokia need to cosy up to Android more and dump Ovi or even Symbian?
That is something that I would never see happening, they won't dump Symbian or MeeGo, they will not drop platforms they have control over to get something they will have very little control over.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
Implying that digital camera will not work with PC (or has difficulties) is, in my book, a lie. I still have operational Canon A40 camera that was released without Mac support (was not compatible with OSX Image Capture or something like that). Canon released Mac version of camera's software later on, but it is hardly a secret in early 2000's it was much easier to find camera/printer/... not working with Mac than with PC, and people were using some of those devices when above mentioned "Get a Mac" add was released. My brother, for example, is still using old HP 4L laser printer. It does the job for him. It has parallel printer port.
The only problem with your diatribe is that Apple never claimed that digital cameras wouldn't work with PCs - or even implied it.
That's the problem with you Apple haters - you see things that aren't there and then pretend that Apple is evil based on the things you imagine.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
Can't argue on this since I didn't have a chance to work on Mac yet. That little impression I picked up in Apple shops didn't make me realise OSX is any easier than W7, in fact it felt much more alien to me... but like I said, it wasn't experience long enough to really count.
So we've now established that your opinion on the subject is worthless. Please feel free to post again if you ever use a Mac and have some factual basis for discussion.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad
I'd like to know why all the phone manufacturers decided to stop putting antennas on the top of the phone. Is there really a good scientific reason for putting it on the bottom where it's shielded by the user's hand and head?
Heck, if it gave me better reception I'd gladly go back to having one of those little pull out antennas that cell phones used to have.
FCC rules. There's an article in one of the earlier threads on this subject.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Don't forget that Apple was nearly backrupt a couple of years ago, things change.
A couple of years ago? Nearly bankrupt? This is the kind of delusion that the Apple haters seem to thrive on.
Yes, Apple was down to its last BILLION dollars in cash something like 15 years ago. Hardly 'nearly bankrupt' and hardly 'a few years ago'. Here's an idea - why not stick to reality rather than fabricated 'facts'?
Nokia... Lame attempt to fool the consumers. Fix the E75 issues, esp. the mysterious 3G/3.5G data connections (no apps running, unable to trace what data connections/activities) which cause calls to drop.
Nokia... Now you have seal the fate of losing 1 customer who has been using Nokia phones for a decade.
One thing got missed in media and i'm not sure exactly why. Do you people know that by becoming antenna for Iphone 4, you are actually taking part of radiation that the phone emits. This definitely is not good.
Also, the fact is that the phone uses just as much power as needed to send the data to the cell tower. Now, with signal lower, it will have to raise the signal output to necessary level. That could cause an issue with additional SAR levels.
I for one, have problems since i changed my nokia to HTC with headaches if talking for longer period since SAR level is 3 times higher on my new phone. Now, i don't have conversation longer than 5 minutes if i don't have it on my parrot or headset.
Another thing is i'm not sure how can anyone claim that this is not a hw issue. It might be partially circumvented by sw, but the bare fact that you touch part of phone and it behaves differently, proves the hw flaw point of view.
I'm not a troll though i am new one as poster on this forum
A couple of years ago? Nearly bankrupt? This is the kind of delusion that the Apple haters seem to thrive on.
Yes, Apple was down to its last BILLION dollars in cash something like 15 years ago. Hardly 'nearly bankrupt' and hardly 'a few years ago'. Here's an idea - why not stick to reality rather than fabricated 'facts'?
What good is a billion in the bank when no one is purchasing your products? It was a known fact that Apple was on their death bed in the mid 90's, this is a fact that I am sticking with, get over your misguided pride and just realise how poor things were for them then. The Apple today is nothing like the Apple then.
Again I ask you, what is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone (your words, not mine)
Now you're acting childish. It was in response to your insistence that S40 is a smartphone OS. My remark was to indicate that it wasn't a smartphone despite that you were insisting it was. Some people, such as yourself insist that feature phones are smartphones. While they have SOME features of smartphones, they aren't "real" smartphones, just imitations.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
You are a parrot. You kept repeating what I said. That's a parrot.
This is the first time you've admitted that Nokia has problems. Otherwise, you just keep saying that they're the biggest in the world, which means little as they are declining.
Apple has at most, very minor problems.
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You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
I'll post whatever's relevant.
If you can find links that say Nokia is doing better than ever, then do so, no matter where they come from.
That is something that I would never see happening, they won't dump Symbian or MeeGo, they will not drop platforms they have control over to get something they will have very little control over.
It was also thought that Maemo was the "future" for them, as they had said when it first came out.
Now It's MeeGo. If that doesn't work out, what will they do next?
Realistically, companies must try to find ways to survive. There can't be a line in the sand about it.
Apple bought Next when Copeland failed. When Longhorn failed, MS had to go to their server software an modify that. Still it was year before they could come out with Vista, which was a failure. But the position MS is in in that part of the industry kept them going until "7" came out. If MeeGo fails, Nokia will have to figure something out. They will be more like the old Apple than like MS.
Going to Android might not be palatable to them, because then they will lose their "soul" in high end and likely mid range smartphones. They will be subject to Google as is every other phone manufacturer using Android. I'm not sure Nokia wants that, and I'm not sure it would be good for them. Possibly they should have purchased Palm as a hedge as so many in the industry thought they should.
One thing got missed in media and i'm not sure exactly why. Do you people know that by becoming antenna for Iphone 4, you are actually taking part of radiation that the phone emits. This definitely is not good.
Also, the fact is that the phone uses just as much power as needed to send the data to the cell tower. Now, with signal lower, it will have to raise the signal output to necessary level. That could cause an issue with additional SAR levels.
I for one, have problems since i changed my nokia to HTC with headaches if talking for longer period since SAR level is 3 times higher on my new phone. Now, i don't have conversation longer than 5 minutes if i don't have it on my parrot or headset.
Another thing is i'm not sure how can anyone claim that this is not a hw issue. It might be partially circumvented by sw, but the bare fact that you touch part of phone and it behaves differently, proves the hw flaw point of view.
I'm not a troll though i am new one as poster on this forum
All cell phones have their signal drop, both incoming and outgoing when the hand is placed over where the antenna is located. Apple's occasional problems are related to the antenna being located outside, where a hand that sweats can short the antenna out. When that happens NO signal may move. There is no more radiation than otherwise. In addition. There has never been any proof from any properly done study that has shown that cell radiation is harmful. So far, that's just a bogy man. The FCC is just being careful in its rules.
What good is a billion in the bank when no one is purchasing your products? It was a known fact that Apple was on their death bed in the mid 90's, this is a fact that I am sticking with, get over your misguided pride and just realise how poor things were for them then. The Apple today is nothing like the Apple then.
Their products were being purchased. Their main problems had come from the problem with Copeland, not sales per se. The other problem had come from the clones. Apple had not set that up properly. While the Mac OS share was actually rising slightly because of it, it took some sales away from Apple. By buying Next, and ending clones, Apple righted itself, and the iMac began the climb to where it is today. which will be about $60 billion in sales this year.
It's true that if those two problems hadn't been addressed properly, Apple would have been bought out by someone else. But that's a long time ago. Nokia's problems are current. We don't have the advantage of history to see how that will go.
Will they make the right decisions, or won't they? So far, it's been considered that they haven't. They stuck their head in the sand for years. Is it too late? I hope not, but it's not just Apple they have to worry about now.
It was also thought that Maemo was the "future" for them, as they had said when it first came out.
It's not that I don't believe you, as Nokia has been planning to use Maemo for a number of years, but can you please produce a quote from 2005 showing them saying this?
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Originally Posted by melgross
Now It's MeeGo. If that doesn't work out, what will they do next?
Actually Meego is carrying on exacting where Maemo left off, they are focusing on QT
Now you're acting childish. It was in response to your insistence that S40 is a smartphone OS. My remark was to indicate that it wasn't a smartphone despite that you were insisting it was. Some people, such as yourself insist that feature phones are smartphones. While they have SOME features of smartphones, they aren't "real" smartphones, just imitations.
I'm not acting childish, you are now trying to fix the mistake you made in the first place. I wasn't insisting it was, maybe you should read who posted the message in the first place, you may notice it wasn't me. And in saying that, the message that Jody responded to questioned who would line up for a Nokia phone, and they said no one would, and Jody proved them wrong. But for some reason you guys here don't like getting proved wrong in any discussion, so who is acting childish?
You are a parrot. You kept repeating what I said. That's a parrot.
No, I haven't been.
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Originally Posted by melgross
This is the first time you've admitted that Nokia has problems. Otherwise, you just keep saying that they're the biggest in the world, which means little as they are declining.
Market share has been decreasing (actually staying the same), but in units they have grown quite a bit. Targets are just that, targets, yes they will be disappointed with not meeting them, maybe Nokias problem is they are more open with their data than Apple is...
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Originally Posted by melgross
Apple has at most, very minor problems.
I think the very topic we are discussing is a prime example that you are wrong.
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Just don't get caught.
Why? Is it embarrassing to go to Vodafone and get an iPhone on contract free?
Of course smartphones are a different kettle of fish. Maybe Nokia need to cosy up to Android more and dump Ovi or even Symbian?
That is something that I would never see happening, they won't dump Symbian or MeeGo, they will not drop platforms they have control over to get something they will have very little control over.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
Or is it Fanning the Flamer?
Relax.
Or is it Fanning the Flamer?
No, are you John the Flusher?
Relax.
I am, thanks for asking.
NOKIA : you can shit away
Implying that digital camera will not work with PC (or has difficulties) is, in my book, a lie. I still have operational Canon A40 camera that was released without Mac support (was not compatible with OSX Image Capture or something like that). Canon released Mac version of camera's software later on, but it is hardly a secret in early 2000's it was much easier to find camera/printer/... not working with Mac than with PC, and people were using some of those devices when above mentioned "Get a Mac" add was released. My brother, for example, is still using old HP 4L laser printer. It does the job for him. It has parallel printer port.
The only problem with your diatribe is that Apple never claimed that digital cameras wouldn't work with PCs - or even implied it.
That's the problem with you Apple haters - you see things that aren't there and then pretend that Apple is evil based on the things you imagine.
Can't argue on this since I didn't have a chance to work on Mac yet. That little impression I picked up in Apple shops didn't make me realise OSX is any easier than W7, in fact it felt much more alien to me... but like I said, it wasn't experience long enough to really count.
So we've now established that your opinion on the subject is worthless. Please feel free to post again if you ever use a Mac and have some factual basis for discussion.
I'd like to know why all the phone manufacturers decided to stop putting antennas on the top of the phone. Is there really a good scientific reason for putting it on the bottom where it's shielded by the user's hand and head?
Heck, if it gave me better reception I'd gladly go back to having one of those little pull out antennas that cell phones used to have.
FCC rules. There's an article in one of the earlier threads on this subject.
Don't forget that Apple was nearly backrupt a couple of years ago, things change.
A couple of years ago? Nearly bankrupt? This is the kind of delusion that the Apple haters seem to thrive on.
Yes, Apple was down to its last BILLION dollars in cash something like 15 years ago. Hardly 'nearly bankrupt' and hardly 'a few years ago'. Here's an idea - why not stick to reality rather than fabricated 'facts'?
Nokia... Now you have seal the fate of losing 1 customer who has been using Nokia phones for a decade.
I pointed out that if they're going to do that they should first make sure their phones don't have the same problem. Check.
Nokia does this without checking first. Oops. Busted.
Also, the fact is that the phone uses just as much power as needed to send the data to the cell tower. Now, with signal lower, it will have to raise the signal output to necessary level. That could cause an issue with additional SAR levels.
I for one, have problems since i changed my nokia to HTC with headaches if talking for longer period since SAR level is 3 times higher on my new phone. Now, i don't have conversation longer than 5 minutes if i don't have it on my parrot or headset.
Another thing is i'm not sure how can anyone claim that this is not a hw issue. It might be partially circumvented by sw, but the bare fact that you touch part of phone and it behaves differently, proves the hw flaw point of view.
I'm not a troll though i am new one as poster on this forum
A couple of years ago? Nearly bankrupt? This is the kind of delusion that the Apple haters seem to thrive on.
Yes, Apple was down to its last BILLION dollars in cash something like 15 years ago. Hardly 'nearly bankrupt' and hardly 'a few years ago'. Here's an idea - why not stick to reality rather than fabricated 'facts'?
What good is a billion in the bank when no one is purchasing your products? It was a known fact that Apple was on their death bed in the mid 90's, this is a fact that I am sticking with, get over your misguided pride and just realise how poor things were for them then. The Apple today is nothing like the Apple then.
Nokia is doomed??
No it doesn't, you said
Again I ask you, what is the difference between a smartphone and a "REAL" smartphone (your words, not mine)
Now you're acting childish. It was in response to your insistence that S40 is a smartphone OS. My remark was to indicate that it wasn't a smartphone despite that you were insisting it was. Some people, such as yourself insist that feature phones are smartphones. While they have SOME features of smartphones, they aren't "real" smartphones, just imitations.
You call me a parrot, yet you are the one constantly spouting the same thing over and over again.
I know Nokia has problems, I'm not sure why you claim I don't want to admit that, but Apple have serious issues as well, they just released a phone that lacked serious testing, and then blamed their users for the way they were using it.
You are a parrot. You kept repeating what I said. That's a parrot.
This is the first time you've admitted that Nokia has problems. Otherwise, you just keep saying that they're the biggest in the world, which means little as they are declining.
Apple has at most, very minor problems.
You can post as many links you want, I will even read them, but please make sure you don't post those US centric ones, the world is very different in other regions and a lot of them don't mean much.
I'll post whatever's relevant.
If you can find links that say Nokia is doing better than ever, then do so, no matter where they come from.
That is something that I would never see happening, they won't dump Symbian or MeeGo, they will not drop platforms they have control over to get something they will have very little control over.
It was also thought that Maemo was the "future" for them, as they had said when it first came out.
Now It's MeeGo. If that doesn't work out, what will they do next?
Realistically, companies must try to find ways to survive. There can't be a line in the sand about it.
Apple bought Next when Copeland failed. When Longhorn failed, MS had to go to their server software an modify that. Still it was year before they could come out with Vista, which was a failure. But the position MS is in in that part of the industry kept them going until "7" came out. If MeeGo fails, Nokia will have to figure something out. They will be more like the old Apple than like MS.
Going to Android might not be palatable to them, because then they will lose their "soul" in high end and likely mid range smartphones. They will be subject to Google as is every other phone manufacturer using Android. I'm not sure Nokia wants that, and I'm not sure it would be good for them. Possibly they should have purchased Palm as a hedge as so many in the industry thought they should.
One thing got missed in media and i'm not sure exactly why. Do you people know that by becoming antenna for Iphone 4, you are actually taking part of radiation that the phone emits. This definitely is not good.
Also, the fact is that the phone uses just as much power as needed to send the data to the cell tower. Now, with signal lower, it will have to raise the signal output to necessary level. That could cause an issue with additional SAR levels.
I for one, have problems since i changed my nokia to HTC with headaches if talking for longer period since SAR level is 3 times higher on my new phone. Now, i don't have conversation longer than 5 minutes if i don't have it on my parrot or headset.
Another thing is i'm not sure how can anyone claim that this is not a hw issue. It might be partially circumvented by sw, but the bare fact that you touch part of phone and it behaves differently, proves the hw flaw point of view.
I'm not a troll though i am new one as poster on this forum
All cell phones have their signal drop, both incoming and outgoing when the hand is placed over where the antenna is located. Apple's occasional problems are related to the antenna being located outside, where a hand that sweats can short the antenna out. When that happens NO signal may move. There is no more radiation than otherwise. In addition. There has never been any proof from any properly done study that has shown that cell radiation is harmful. So far, that's just a bogy man. The FCC is just being careful in its rules.
What good is a billion in the bank when no one is purchasing your products? It was a known fact that Apple was on their death bed in the mid 90's, this is a fact that I am sticking with, get over your misguided pride and just realise how poor things were for them then. The Apple today is nothing like the Apple then.
Their products were being purchased. Their main problems had come from the problem with Copeland, not sales per se. The other problem had come from the clones. Apple had not set that up properly. While the Mac OS share was actually rising slightly because of it, it took some sales away from Apple. By buying Next, and ending clones, Apple righted itself, and the iMac began the climb to where it is today. which will be about $60 billion in sales this year.
It's true that if those two problems hadn't been addressed properly, Apple would have been bought out by someone else. But that's a long time ago. Nokia's problems are current. We don't have the advantage of history to see how that will go.
Will they make the right decisions, or won't they? So far, it's been considered that they haven't. They stuck their head in the sand for years. Is it too late? I hope not, but it's not just Apple they have to worry about now.
It was also thought that Maemo was the "future" for them, as they had said when it first came out.
It's not that I don't believe you, as Nokia has been planning to use Maemo for a number of years, but can you please produce a quote from 2005 showing them saying this?
Now It's MeeGo. If that doesn't work out, what will they do next?
Actually Meego is carrying on exacting where Maemo left off, they are focusing on QT
Now you're acting childish. It was in response to your insistence that S40 is a smartphone OS. My remark was to indicate that it wasn't a smartphone despite that you were insisting it was. Some people, such as yourself insist that feature phones are smartphones. While they have SOME features of smartphones, they aren't "real" smartphones, just imitations.
I'm not acting childish, you are now trying to fix the mistake you made in the first place. I wasn't insisting it was, maybe you should read who posted the message in the first place, you may notice it wasn't me. And in saying that, the message that Jody responded to questioned who would line up for a Nokia phone, and they said no one would, and Jody proved them wrong. But for some reason you guys here don't like getting proved wrong in any discussion, so who is acting childish?
You are a parrot. You kept repeating what I said. That's a parrot.
No, I haven't been.
This is the first time you've admitted that Nokia has problems. Otherwise, you just keep saying that they're the biggest in the world, which means little as they are declining.
Market share has been decreasing (actually staying the same), but in units they have grown quite a bit. Targets are just that, targets, yes they will be disappointed with not meeting them, maybe Nokias problem is they are more open with their data than Apple is...
Apple has at most, very minor problems.
I think the very topic we are discussing is a prime example that you are wrong.