*Sigh* I don't know why I'm even bothering to reply. With your July registration and 2 posts it is more likely than not that you have just passed through to spray some negative graffiti on the AI walls before passing into forum oblivion.
But I'm a masochist, so let's just take one of these assertions as an example:
"Releasing a fix which isnt a fix at all... just reports the bars differently. You will still lose calls."
On the face of it it might appear to be a fact since Apple is the source. But ask yourself, "Has it actually been released and tested by the public on any iPhone?" No. Apple gave a preliminary statement about their intention to provide a fix. It did not give a definitive engineering breakdown of all aspects of the update, or what other elements it will include before it is finished and released. So you cannot state as fact that it won't fix the problem.
Anyway, the dismissive tone of your remarks have all the characteristics of a typical Apple hater, so what's the point of going on. You are only interested in launching spitballs.
How on earth can you conclude that I am an Apple hater? I'm having Apples since the Apple II, including the Macintosh, the Mac II SE, the LaserWriter, 1 iMac, 4 iPods, 1 iPod Touch, 1 iPhone 3G, 1 iPhone 3GS and i plan to buy an iPad. Apple is just doing a terrible job on the iPhone 4. It hasn't been thoroughly tested and it is very poorly serviced. I am not just a fan, I am also a consumer who needs his stuff to do his job.
There is no reason that a handset manufactorer should sell exclusively to a single carrier. In fact no other handset manufactorer but apple does this. Maybe AT&T has outsmarted Apple in their contract negotiation.
There is no reason that a handset manufactorer should sell exclusively to a single carrier. In fact no other handset manufactorer but apple does this. Maybe AT&T has outsmarted Apple in their contract negotiation.
Perhaps as little history would help you understand.
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The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry…
After a year and a half of secret meetings, Jobs had finally negotiated terms with the wireless division of the telecom giant (Cingular at the time) to be the iPhone's carrier. In return for five years of exclusivity, roughly 10 percent of iPhone sales in AT&T stores, and a thin slice of Apple's iTunes revenue, AT&T had granted Jobs unprecedented power. He had cajoled AT&T into spending millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours to create a new feature, so-called visual voicemail, and to reinvent the time-consuming in-store sign-up process.…
As I say, my parents would do and say a lot of things I couldn't quite understand and accept until I had a kid of my own. Now I really appreciate how smart they were and how much of a smartass I could be. Still learning.
Where are the assumptions? These are facts. Just check the press releases. And shouldn't this top notch, state of the art company correct there errors right away? I don't think the dust will settle before they got a right. Which should be straight away for a device costing over 700 USD.
Just how would you go about it, not knowing first the cause and secondly having resolved the fix? You would have made a great surgeon.
And lets put things in perspective.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. It may be inconvenient or even downright unsatisfactory to some, however, it is not debilitating or life threatening as do a million or more of other things do around the world that affect more people than a cell phone.
If people don't see any value in a $30 piece of rubber that can be had from a different seller in almost identical form for $1, why would they buy it?
People buy the $30 bumper from Apple because they value convenience (do not need to go to a different store) or because they value low risk (a third-party bumper will have a slightly higher risk of not having perfectly working buttons etc.) or because they value the status signal (I am rich enough to not bother shopping around for cheap bumpers).
In reality, there are no $1 cases for iPhones - either identical or not. The ones I've seen in retail stores range from $15 to over $100. The $15 cases are widely criticized for having a poor fit. The lowest cost 'quality' cases I've seen typically run $25 to $30 - about the same as the Apple bumpers.
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Ripping people off is either abusing a monopoly position (I don't think Apple has a monopoly on bumpers) or charge some people more than others for the same product. Apple is doing neither.
Admittedly, Apple has a monopoly for bumpers sold in Apple stores but since it very easy to get a bumper somewhere else, this is only a very weak monopoly.
Please stop misusing words you don't understand. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on iPhone cases in ANY sense. Choosing to sell only one brand of case in your own stores isn't a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.
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No argument here, but tech companies seem to do pretty good.
I suspect that this is misleading. Google advertises extensively on their own site and other sites using AdWords. I'm guessing that they either don't report this expense or report it at their own cost - which is nearly zero.
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If I were an Android Developer, I would say, FUCK GOOGLE. Or actually they'd already said that implicitly. I just happened to read a complain from a developer in official Android forum, saying that 30% of his app sales were canceled, and several of them are canceled in seconds! 30% is enough to be said as common practice.
Also google only allow to sell apps only in 9 countries. Whether this is to promote free software or just incapability to handle the payment, in the developers' point of view that sucks to the bone. I'm happy that I develop iPhone apps.
Yes, Google is much better talking about 'open' than actually practicing it.
I suspect that the above is one of the reasons why the quality of the apps on Android are so poor. Anyone seriously interested in making money selling apps is going to be making iPhone apps for a long time.
Again, another blatantly biased article against Android. "Struggling" and "fledgling" are two words that I would not use to describe the Android Market. Instead, based on the the fact that there are now over 65,000 apps in the Market, second only to Apple's, and that there are over 130,000 activations a day worldwide, there is no "struggling" whatsoever about Android. In fact, the rate of adoption of Android has surpassed the rate of Apple.
Yes, the Android Market has more free apps than anyone else. THIS IS A GOOD THING! Many developers get their money through advertising or other means, so "free" should be looked at as a benefit, not a detriment. And, what's more, it benefits the consumer, which is the driving force behind the success of any company.
You were doing so well until you wrote this one. The computer wasn't built to run both Mac OS and windows. Hackers figured it out first forcing Apple to allow it. Apple goes after those who dare put Mac OS on any other computer with extreme prejudice.
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When one computer was designed so it was capable of running Mac OS or Windowsyou would find the same in the PC world ....[B]NOT
You were doing so well until you wrote this one. The computer wasn't built to run both Mac OS and windows. Hackers figured it out first forcing Apple to allow it.
Like Robin suggested, it didn't happen that way. It's pretty clear Apple was going to offer Boot Camp because they released it within about a week of when the hackers released their kit. I very highly doubt Apple could have put Boot Camp together in a week.
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Apple goes after those who dare put Mac OS on any other computer with extreme prejudice.
Using lawyers, and only on commercial entities trying to sell new computers with OS X or commercial software to make it painless. They have yet to go after hobbyists. These days, there is not that much of a technical barrier preventing OS X on a non-Mac.
The reason the Apple way is not cheap is that they take more care and pride in what they do. They don't push cheaply made and designed me-too product out the door just to make a quick buck. When they do make mistakes, they tend to be for the right reason. By this I mean that any antenna problems that people may be having could have easily been avoided by Apple just continuing to use an internal antenna just like they did previously, and like everyone else does. Instead they chose to innovate, taking the risks that go with that. I admire and respect that.
The person who tries to innovate will have the risk of making lot of mistakes (There is lot of stuff in history to back this theory). But, the person who doesn't take risks for innovation makes exactly one mistake.
I guess there are lot of people out there who knew that iPhone would fail when it was first launched, and around 10x number of people who knew that iPad would be a failure. People argued that they did nothing new but the point was what exactly had stopped others from not doing (maybe be the balls, steel v/s foam) first (and in a usable way).
These kind of people should be out there otherwise new products cannot succeed. The technology industry makes lot of advancement which doesn't percolate into usable products for the users, the attitude of being "I-don't-want-to-jump-first" makes these advancements sit in the labs for years.
He's not saying he has a problem buying brand name products that are of a quality he desires (as referenced his his cycling comment), he's saying that he doesn't want to blatantly advertise on top of that. He can put a sticker over his Apple logo but it's still a Mac and that won't change or hide that fact.
Perhaps his example wasn't great, but consider band apparel. I've never understood the desire to pay $30-50 for apparel that literally makes you a walking billboard. It's not like the shirt plays their music. Same goes for many companies that stick a logo on an item that they don't actually make.
Like Designed for Windoze Xp, Winslow Vista, Windows 7 & Intel inside. Indeed these advertisers do pay money for those stickers to make people believe that such computers were only made to run hmm.... (Linux)
BTW, nexus one & the newer Samsung phones have the Google on the back (which is essentially what google is all about "advertisement").
Just how would you go about it, not knowing first the cause and secondly having resolved the fix? You would have made a great surgeon.
And lets put things in perspective.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. It may be inconvenient or even downright unsatisfactory to some, however, it is not debilitating or life threatening as do a million or more of other things do around the world that affect more people than a cell phone.
This is only a partial list of US recalls, and forget about blaming foreign manufacturers
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. manufacturers.
Note, that was from the first 3 days of sales, it's now been nearly 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Android is turning into what Windows Mobile used to be.
The most successful licensed smartphone OS?
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Originally Posted by cgrisar
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
It doesn't have to be life threatening, but ig sure helps when trying to argue that very iPhone 4 should be recalled.
Not all effected, it apparently only happens when you signal strength is waning (24dB change), and is still a very useful device according to most pundits affected.
But none of those are of any consequence because Apple has done the unusual by officially stating a fix will be coming in a few weeks, and reinterated that you have 30-days to return the device, risk free (so long as you haven't damaged it).
Their junk is made in the same Chinese sweat shops as the Dell junk, HP junk, etc. with the same parts that they all use. If Apple would let you open their units without voiding their warranty, you would find the same HD, memory chips and such. The reason they are not cheap is because you will pay more.
1) Apple custom engineers much of their own silicon, this can make a huge difference in software performance.
2) Every company has the ability to regulate quality of their products no matter where they are made. Just because something is made even in the same factory as say a Dell product doesn't mean quality of the final product is therefor equal. Like saying every painting made by 1 artist will come out of equal quality, the world is not that simple or linear.
3) Many people do open their units despite it voiding warranty. There is no real secret to what makes up the guts of any Apple product.
I do agree though that they charge what they do in large part because they can.
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
As far as I can see, the experts all seem to agree that most of the time diminishing bars did not effect calls.
And for a person that is so well in tune, I am still waiting so see how you would have gone about it. But then it might be a little harder for you to do so, not having an iPhone 4 in the first place to judge the experience yourself.
Are you suggesting that the issue is now effecting the majority of iPhone 4 owners?
The few people that have complained here don't represent the world.
What did I write that would possible infer a comment about effects on reception or the number of users affected?
You made a comment regarding a set number of sold phones being 1.7 million. I clarified that the 1.7M figure is from 3 days or sales and pointed out that 13 days of sales have now happened. That?s it, nothing more, nothing less.
What did I write that would possible infer a comment about effects on reception or the number of users affected?
You made a comment regarding a set number of sold phones being 1.7 million. I clarified that the 1.7M figure is from 3 days or sales and pointed out that 13 days of sales have now happened. That?s it, nothing more, nothing less.
1.7 million is the only number of iPhone 4's that I know that have been sold to date.
If Apple has gotten more in stock, I haven't heard of or been officially privileged to it.
1.7 million is the only number of iPhone 4's that I know that have been sold to date.
If Apple has gotten more in stock, I haven't heard of or been officially privileged to it.
1.7M is the number of iPhones Apple said they sold in the first 3 days since hitting the shelves. That does not mean no other phones were sold in that 10 days after that. There have been lines at stores every day and they are getting more units in everyday, though probably not at every store. Either way, they have sold more phones in the 10 days after that figure was stated.
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*Sigh* I don't know why I'm even bothering to reply. With your July registration and 2 posts it is more likely than not that you have just passed through to spray some negative graffiti on the AI walls before passing into forum oblivion.
But I'm a masochist, so let's just take one of these assertions as an example:
"Releasing a fix which isnt a fix at all... just reports the bars differently. You will still lose calls."
On the face of it it might appear to be a fact since Apple is the source. But ask yourself, "Has it actually been released and tested by the public on any iPhone?" No. Apple gave a preliminary statement about their intention to provide a fix. It did not give a definitive engineering breakdown of all aspects of the update, or what other elements it will include before it is finished and released. So you cannot state as fact that it won't fix the problem.
Anyway, the dismissive tone of your remarks have all the characteristics of a typical Apple hater, so what's the point of going on. You are only interested in launching spitballs.
How on earth can you conclude that I am an Apple hater? I'm having Apples since the Apple II, including the Macintosh, the Mac II SE, the LaserWriter, 1 iMac, 4 iPods, 1 iPod Touch, 1 iPhone 3G, 1 iPhone 3GS and i plan to buy an iPad. Apple is just doing a terrible job on the iPhone 4. It hasn't been thoroughly tested and it is very poorly serviced. I am not just a fan, I am also a consumer who needs his stuff to do his job.
There is no reason that a handset manufactorer should sell exclusively to a single carrier. In fact no other handset manufactorer but apple does this. Maybe AT&T has outsmarted Apple in their contract negotiation.
Perhaps as little history would help you understand. As I say, my parents would do and say a lot of things I couldn't quite understand and accept until I had a kid of my own. Now I really appreciate how smart they were and how much of a smartass I could be. Still learning.
Where are the assumptions? These are facts. Just check the press releases. And shouldn't this top notch, state of the art company correct there errors right away? I don't think the dust will settle before they got a right. Which should be straight away for a device costing over 700 USD.
Just how would you go about it, not knowing first the cause and secondly having resolved the fix? You would have made a great surgeon.
And lets put things in perspective.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. It may be inconvenient or even downright unsatisfactory to some, however, it is not debilitating or life threatening as do a million or more of other things do around the world that affect more people than a cell phone.
If people don't see any value in a $30 piece of rubber that can be had from a different seller in almost identical form for $1, why would they buy it?
People buy the $30 bumper from Apple because they value convenience (do not need to go to a different store) or because they value low risk (a third-party bumper will have a slightly higher risk of not having perfectly working buttons etc.) or because they value the status signal (I am rich enough to not bother shopping around for cheap bumpers).
In reality, there are no $1 cases for iPhones - either identical or not. The ones I've seen in retail stores range from $15 to over $100. The $15 cases are widely criticized for having a poor fit. The lowest cost 'quality' cases I've seen typically run $25 to $30 - about the same as the Apple bumpers.
Ripping people off is either abusing a monopoly position (I don't think Apple has a monopoly on bumpers) or charge some people more than others for the same product. Apple is doing neither.
Admittedly, Apple has a monopoly for bumpers sold in Apple stores but since it very easy to get a bumper somewhere else, this is only a very weak monopoly.
Please stop misusing words you don't understand. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on iPhone cases in ANY sense. Choosing to sell only one brand of case in your own stores isn't a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.
No argument here, but tech companies seem to do pretty good.
I suspect that this is misleading. Google advertises extensively on their own site and other sites using AdWords. I'm guessing that they either don't report this expense or report it at their own cost - which is nearly zero.
If I were an Android Developer, I would say, FUCK GOOGLE. Or actually they'd already said that implicitly. I just happened to read a complain from a developer in official Android forum, saying that 30% of his app sales were canceled, and several of them are canceled in seconds! 30% is enough to be said as common practice.
Also google only allow to sell apps only in 9 countries. Whether this is to promote free software or just incapability to handle the payment, in the developers' point of view that sucks to the bone. I'm happy that I develop iPhone apps.
Yes, Google is much better talking about 'open' than actually practicing it.
I suspect that the above is one of the reasons why the quality of the apps on Android are so poor. Anyone seriously interested in making money selling apps is going to be making iPhone apps for a long time.
Yes, the Android Market has more free apps than anyone else. THIS IS A GOOD THING! Many developers get their money through advertising or other means, so "free" should be looked at as a benefit, not a detriment. And, what's more, it benefits the consumer, which is the driving force behind the success of any company.
When one computer was designed so it was capable of running Mac OS or Windows you would find the same in the PC world ....[B]NOT
Hackers figured it out first forcing Apple to allow it.
Welcome to the "rooster crowing in the morning causes the sun to come up" school of logic.
You were doing so well until you wrote this one. The computer wasn't built to run both Mac OS and windows. Hackers figured it out first forcing Apple to allow it.
Like Robin suggested, it didn't happen that way. It's pretty clear Apple was going to offer Boot Camp because they released it within about a week of when the hackers released their kit. I very highly doubt Apple could have put Boot Camp together in a week.
Apple goes after those who dare put Mac OS on any other computer with extreme prejudice.
Using lawyers, and only on commercial entities trying to sell new computers with OS X or commercial software to make it painless. They have yet to go after hobbyists. These days, there is not that much of a technical barrier preventing OS X on a non-Mac.
The reason the Apple way is not cheap is that they take more care and pride in what they do. They don't push cheaply made and designed me-too product out the door just to make a quick buck. When they do make mistakes, they tend to be for the right reason. By this I mean that any antenna problems that people may be having could have easily been avoided by Apple just continuing to use an internal antenna just like they did previously, and like everyone else does. Instead they chose to innovate, taking the risks that go with that. I admire and respect that.
The person who tries to innovate will have the risk of making lot of mistakes (There is lot of stuff in history to back this theory). But, the person who doesn't take risks for innovation makes exactly one mistake.
I guess there are lot of people out there who knew that iPhone would fail when it was first launched, and around 10x number of people who knew that iPad would be a failure. People argued that they did nothing new but the point was what exactly had stopped others from not doing (maybe be the balls, steel v/s foam) first (and in a usable way).
These kind of people should be out there otherwise new products cannot succeed. The technology industry makes lot of advancement which doesn't percolate into usable products for the users, the attitude of being "I-don't-want-to-jump-first" makes these advancements sit in the labs for years.
He's not saying he has a problem buying brand name products that are of a quality he desires (as referenced his his cycling comment), he's saying that he doesn't want to blatantly advertise on top of that. He can put a sticker over his Apple logo but it's still a Mac and that won't change or hide that fact.
Perhaps his example wasn't great, but consider band apparel. I've never understood the desire to pay $30-50 for apparel that literally makes you a walking billboard. It's not like the shirt plays their music. Same goes for many companies that stick a logo on an item that they don't actually make.
Like Designed for Windoze Xp, Winslow Vista, Windows 7 & Intel inside. Indeed these advertisers do pay money for those stickers to make people believe that such computers were only made to run hmm.... (Linux)
BTW, nexus one & the newer Samsung phones have the Google on the back (which is essentially what google is all about "advertisement").
Just how would you go about it, not knowing first the cause and secondly having resolved the fix? You would have made a great surgeon.
And lets put things in perspective.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. It may be inconvenient or even downright unsatisfactory to some, however, it is not debilitating or life threatening as do a million or more of other things do around the world that affect more people than a cell phone.
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
As far as we know, the issues with the iPhone 4 are affecting a minority of the 1.7 million sold. manufacturers.
Note, that was from the first 3 days of sales, it's now been nearly 2 weeks.
Android is turning into what Windows Mobile used to be.
The most successful licensed smartphone OS?
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
It doesn't have to be life threatening, but ig sure helps when trying to argue that very iPhone 4 should be recalled.
Not all effected, it apparently only happens when you signal strength is waning (24dB change), and is still a very useful device according to most pundits affected.
But none of those are of any consequence because Apple has done the unusual by officially stating a fix will be coming in a few weeks, and reinterated that you have 30-days to return the device, risk free (so long as you haven't damaged it).
There is no part of that scresms for a recall.
Their junk is made in the same Chinese sweat shops as the Dell junk, HP junk, etc. with the same parts that they all use. If Apple would let you open their units without voiding their warranty, you would find the same HD, memory chips and such. The reason they are not cheap is because you will pay more.
1) Apple custom engineers much of their own silicon, this can make a huge difference in software performance.
2) Every company has the ability to regulate quality of their products no matter where they are made. Just because something is made even in the same factory as say a Dell product doesn't mean quality of the final product is therefor equal. Like saying every painting made by 1 artist will come out of equal quality, the world is not that simple or linear.
3) Many people do open their units despite it voiding warranty. There is no real secret to what makes up the guts of any Apple product.
I do agree though that they charge what they do in large part because they can.
Note, that was from the first 3 days of sales, it's now been nearly 2 weeks.
Are you suggesting that the issue is now effecting the majority of iPhone 4 owners?
The few people that have complained here don't represent the world.
So, the iPhone 4 must first be life threatening before Apple doing anything to the problem? And it is a problem, not according to me, but to independent research.
The mere fact that Apple is issuing a solving pattern by showing less bars is completely debilitating. The problem is not the bars. The problem is that, again according to independent research, reception is diminishing to near zero when holding your iPhone. Not holding it in a strange way. No by holding it in a way that 75% of the people do... except for the SJ worshipers of course. They're quite happy to have their calls drop.
As far as I can see, the experts all seem to agree that most of the time diminishing bars did not effect calls.
And for a person that is so well in tune, I am still waiting so see how you would have gone about it. But then it might be a little harder for you to do so, not having an iPhone 4 in the first place to judge the experience yourself.
Are you suggesting that the issue is now effecting the majority of iPhone 4 owners?
The few people that have complained here don't represent the world.
What did I write that would possible infer a comment about effects on reception or the number of users affected?
You made a comment regarding a set number of sold phones being 1.7 million. I clarified that the 1.7M figure is from 3 days or sales and pointed out that 13 days of sales have now happened. That?s it, nothing more, nothing less.
What did I write that would possible infer a comment about effects on reception or the number of users affected?
You made a comment regarding a set number of sold phones being 1.7 million. I clarified that the 1.7M figure is from 3 days or sales and pointed out that 13 days of sales have now happened. That?s it, nothing more, nothing less.
1.7 million is the only number of iPhone 4's that I know that have been sold to date.
If Apple has gotten more in stock, I haven't heard of or been officially privileged to it.
1.7 million is the only number of iPhone 4's that I know that have been sold to date.
If Apple has gotten more in stock, I haven't heard of or been officially privileged to it.
1.7M is the number of iPhones Apple said they sold in the first 3 days since hitting the shelves. That does not mean no other phones were sold in that 10 days after that. There have been lines at stores every day and they are getting more units in everyday, though probably not at every store. Either way, they have sold more phones in the 10 days after that figure was stated.