A two year old phone with a completely dead battery? I?d be getting a replacement. That sounds like a faulty battery to me.
Not under warranty, so Apple is not offering me a replacement. Plus, what happened to it may have something to do with the number of times my 21 month old boy got ahold of it and dropped it.
In any case, It isn't totally dead... But whenever the phone needs higher power (such as when making a call or using 3G data) it will shut itself sown and restart unless plugged in.
Thought about a 3GS for awhile, or even just getting the 3G repaired... But can't bring myself to spend $80 on a rebuilt 3G, or $100 plus a new contract on a 3GS... When I would really prefer the i4.
Can you also pick it up with two fingers and get data transfer to stop? I doubt it. What would YOU call it when this IS possible with the iP4, and that cannot be duplicated with the 3GS nor 3G in the same locations?
If you get dropped calls that doesn't mean you have any more of a problem than with any other cell phone. CR specifically says the problem only happens when you're in an area with a weak signal. I can drop my iPhone 3g's signal just by holding it in a "normal" manner versus laying it on a table. In my house, where unfortunately I get a lot of dropped calls, I use the speakerphone and put the phone down (which is why my wife insists we wait to upgrade until the Verizon iPhone comes out).
Yes, both have merits if given all the caveats are listed --- but in your initial post, you never talked about these options or the seriousness of the problems. You merely said that "just buy a case". You even said that returning the phone is a trouble.
Because it is a hassle to return it and then get a 3GS. Buying a case would seem, to me, to be the lesser of two evils and you end up with an otherwise great device compared to going with the 3GS.
I've really been astonished by the sales of the iPhone 4. The design, to me, is a step backwards. It looks awkward and inelegant. Where Apple has always been about a clean, simple, ONE-PIECE, design, the iPhone 4 looks like a couple slaps sandwiching a couple wire bands. Putting a hideous "bumper" on it is laughable.
An acquaintance purchased one and said he loved it but didn't like the bumper and was having issues hanging up on people due to the faulty proximity sensor (this was before it became a known issue so it wasn't as if he had just read it.) Sorry, but those two things along with the design are deal breakers for me. My 3GS is just fine. Maybe if the iPhone 4had a bigger screen I'd be interested but there is really very little new here.
I somewhat understand how Apple missed on the antenna issue as they field test their phones in a case made to look like the 3GS (although you would have thought someone would test it around campus with it off.) But I don't understand how they messed up the proximity sensor when it worked just fine on all the previous versions. Rushed to market due to the lost tester maybe?
What really sucks is I guess now I have to wait a couple years for the iPhone 5
An RF engineer interviewed by Leo LaPorte and referenced on latest MacBreak weekly podcast stated categorically that this business of bridging the two antennas with skin is pure nonsense.
He also said he didn't have an iPhone 4 (because he's Canadian) and that the fact that that was nonsense was his best guess. At least if you're going to defend Apple get the whole picture.
Not under warranty, so Apple is not offering me a replacement. Plus, what happened to it may have something to do with the number of times my 21 month old boy got ahold of it and dropped it.
In any case, It isn't totally dead... But whenever the phone needs higher power (such as when making a call or using 3G data) it will shut itself sown and restart unless plugged in.
Thought about a 3GS for awhile, or even just getting the 3G repaired... But can't bring myself to spend $80 on a rebuilt 3G, or $100 plus a new contract on a 3GS... When I would really prefer the i4.
Not everything has the same warranty or even a stated warranty to be covered. Batteries are one option that are typically covered well after the mnufacturer?s warranty. Apple has always dealt with sort of thing well, from my experiences. Even 3.5 years after a battery has machine has been bought they?ve replaced a battery for free. I think the 3G has a rating of 300 charges before the battery drops to 80%.
Products with defective batteries are always a potential lawsuit for companies as these few that get through can pose serious harm, thus costing a company a lot more than simply offering a replacement.
Now, if there is sufficient wear and tear on it that could lead one to believe it?s been abused then the situation changes, but it doesn?t mean you won?t get lucky. If this is not the case I think you?d be eligible for a refurbished 3G. I?ve even seen a 3G get replaced after the warranty before the Mute button fell off.
Considering the attitude of the community here for the most part as well as robust sales, I'm sure most people wont mind it if their smartphone can't make phone calls. All Steve has to do is crank up the reality distortion field and everything will be fine. All you stock holders can relax.
Some good news for you. Today is the very last day of my AT&T two year agreement and I'm out. I strongly believe that one shouldn't post here unless they actually own the product in question so this shall be my final attempt to make the community here see reason. Here it goes:
It is madness to own an expensive smart phone when it can't make simple telephone calls.
There. I said it and you heard it or you didn't.
Hope to post something again in the rare chance that anyone here wants to talk about the Mac and not the bloody iPad and iPhone. They really should consider renaming this site iPhone insider in my opinion.
So I think the overall reception and range of the iPhone 4 is better than on my previous model. And I don't really give much about the amount of bars on the screen . What counts for me is that I have fewer dropped calls
Despite the growing body of evidence that "holding the phone incorrectly causes a drop in signal bars" is a reproducible phenomena, I have to agree that I'm yet to detect a "real" (e.g. dropped calls, no data access) problem. And the iPhone 4 has been a radical improvement to my iPhone 3G, from which I upgraded.
But, it's certainly making these discussion boards more entertaining...
Clearly a case where function should've won over form (aesthetics). Even if Ive insisted there would be a problem, Jobs would bulldozer his final judgment over all objections. $@#*!
Why aren't other Apple shareholders honest about this, like you? Thanks for sticking around Spam.
Apple needs to move the antenna to the very bottom of the phone.
It would actually be an ideal spot:
1) away from the hand (grip)
2) at the farthest end of the phone (and your head)
Of course, they will need to reposition the speakers which are located at the very bottom as well ?
Apple doesn't have to do any of that. In the video duct tape solved the problem. They have to put some kind of coating or treatment on the metal band so the hand doesn't come in contact with it.
With that solution the iPhone 4 could theoretically have better reception than every other smartphone out there.
FWIW, I've had my iPhone 4 for 2 weeks now and can't complain about anything except that, for some reason, it consistently reports 1 less bar of signal strength than my wife's iPhone 3G (not that this has caused any problems however). My proximity sensor has been perfect and I wasn't having signal issues. I haven't dropped a call yet and now that I've gotten a case, I can say that my phone is just about perfect. BTW, I've always had cases for my iPhones and it has nothing to do with the signal issue many are having. Yeah, I could return it for a 3GS, but I'd be giving up a much better screen, very good battery life, a very nice camera (for a phone) and an overall great phone. But then, that's just me.
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A two year old phone with a completely dead battery? I?d be getting a replacement. That sounds like a faulty battery to me.
Not under warranty, so Apple is not offering me a replacement. Plus, what happened to it may have something to do with the number of times my 21 month old boy got ahold of it and dropped it.
In any case, It isn't totally dead... But whenever the phone needs higher power (such as when making a call or using 3G data) it will shut itself sown and restart unless plugged in.
Thought about a 3GS for awhile, or even just getting the 3G repaired... But can't bring myself to spend $80 on a rebuilt 3G, or $100 plus a new contract on a 3GS... When I would really prefer the i4.
Can you also pick it up with two fingers and get data transfer to stop? I doubt it. What would YOU call it when this IS possible with the iP4, and that cannot be duplicated with the 3GS nor 3G in the same locations?
If you get dropped calls that doesn't mean you have any more of a problem than with any other cell phone. CR specifically says the problem only happens when you're in an area with a weak signal. I can drop my iPhone 3g's signal just by holding it in a "normal" manner versus laying it on a table. In my house, where unfortunately I get a lot of dropped calls, I use the speakerphone and put the phone down (which is why my wife insists we wait to upgrade until the Verizon iPhone comes out).
Yes, both have merits if given all the caveats are listed --- but in your initial post, you never talked about these options or the seriousness of the problems. You merely said that "just buy a case". You even said that returning the phone is a trouble.
Because it is a hassle to return it and then get a 3GS. Buying a case would seem, to me, to be the lesser of two evils and you end up with an otherwise great device compared to going with the 3GS.
I think slingshotting around the sun to go "back in time" might qualify.
That strategy might not "break" the laws of physics per se.
An acquaintance purchased one and said he loved it but didn't like the bumper and was having issues hanging up on people due to the faulty proximity sensor (this was before it became a known issue so it wasn't as if he had just read it.) Sorry, but those two things along with the design are deal breakers for me. My 3GS is just fine. Maybe if the iPhone 4had a bigger screen I'd be interested but there is really very little new here.
I somewhat understand how Apple missed on the antenna issue as they field test their phones in a case made to look like the 3GS (although you would have thought someone would test it around campus with it off.) But I don't understand how they messed up the proximity sensor when it worked just fine on all the previous versions. Rushed to market due to the lost tester maybe?
What really sucks is I guess now I have to wait a couple years for the iPhone 5
An RF engineer interviewed by Leo LaPorte and referenced on latest MacBreak weekly podcast stated categorically that this business of bridging the two antennas with skin is pure nonsense.
He also said he didn't have an iPhone 4 (because he's Canadian) and that the fact that that was nonsense was his best guess. At least if you're going to defend Apple get the whole picture.
Not under warranty, so Apple is not offering me a replacement. Plus, what happened to it may have something to do with the number of times my 21 month old boy got ahold of it and dropped it.
In any case, It isn't totally dead... But whenever the phone needs higher power (such as when making a call or using 3G data) it will shut itself sown and restart unless plugged in.
Thought about a 3GS for awhile, or even just getting the 3G repaired... But can't bring myself to spend $80 on a rebuilt 3G, or $100 plus a new contract on a 3GS... When I would really prefer the i4.
Not everything has the same warranty or even a stated warranty to be covered. Batteries are one option that are typically covered well after the mnufacturer?s warranty. Apple has always dealt with sort of thing well, from my experiences. Even 3.5 years after a battery has machine has been bought they?ve replaced a battery for free. I think the 3G has a rating of 300 charges before the battery drops to 80%.
Products with defective batteries are always a potential lawsuit for companies as these few that get through can pose serious harm, thus costing a company a lot more than simply offering a replacement.
Now, if there is sufficient wear and tear on it that could lead one to believe it?s been abused then the situation changes, but it doesn?t mean you won?t get lucky. If this is not the case I think you?d be eligible for a refurbished 3G. I?ve even seen a 3G get replaced after the warranty before the Mute button fell off.
Considering the attitude of the community here for the most part as well as robust sales, I'm sure most people wont mind it if their smartphone can't make phone calls. All Steve has to do is crank up the reality distortion field and everything will be fine. All you stock holders can relax.
Some good news for you. Today is the very last day of my AT&T two year agreement and I'm out. I strongly believe that one shouldn't post here unless they actually own the product in question so this shall be my final attempt to make the community here see reason. Here it goes:
It is madness to own an expensive smart phone when it can't make simple telephone calls.
There. I said it and you heard it or you didn't.
Hope to post something again in the rare chance that anyone here wants to talk about the Mac and not the bloody iPad and iPhone. They really should consider renaming this site iPhone insider in my opinion.
Have a great day and hey, call me sometime.
Wow, Jersey jumps ship.
Ireland, is it you speaking there?
No, this is me.
Hard as I try, I cannot get the signal to drop on my iPhone 4.
You can't get it to drop bars, you mean? Consumer Reports is referring to decibels.
Exactly. When the software fix comes, all these haters at CR will eat their words.
Actually, sounds like any 'haters' are here...
More like 99.9%.
Buy a bumper. Update the software.
Then it will be 100%.
How about that?
First you tell that the software update will solve the problem.
Now it seems one also has to buy a 30 USD piece of rubber to solve a design flaw.
How about buying a car and the manufacturer to tell you that the brakes are an option?
So I think the overall reception and range of the iPhone 4 is better than on my previous model. And I don't really give much about the amount of bars on the screen . What counts for me is that I have fewer dropped calls
Despite the growing body of evidence that "holding the phone incorrectly causes a drop in signal bars" is a reproducible phenomena, I have to agree that I'm yet to detect a "real" (e.g. dropped calls, no data access) problem. And the iPhone 4 has been a radical improvement to my iPhone 3G, from which I upgraded.
But, it's certainly making these discussion boards more entertaining...
It would actually be an ideal spot:
1) away from the hand (grip)
2) at the farthest end of the phone (and your head)
Of course, they will need to reposition the speakers which are located at the very bottom as well ?
Clearly a case where function should've won over form (aesthetics). Even if Ive insisted there would be a problem, Jobs would bulldozer his final judgment over all objections. $@#*!
Why aren't other Apple shareholders honest about this, like you? Thanks for sticking around Spam.
Apple needs to move the antenna to the very bottom of the phone.
It would actually be an ideal spot:
1) away from the hand (grip)
2) at the farthest end of the phone (and your head)
Of course, they will need to reposition the speakers which are located at the very bottom as well ?
Apple doesn't have to do any of that. In the video duct tape solved the problem. They have to put some kind of coating or treatment on the metal band so the hand doesn't come in contact with it.
With that solution the iPhone 4 could theoretically have better reception than every other smartphone out there.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf.