I was kidding off course.... :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
But was Mika kidding (95% to go before peace) <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
The simple answer to that question (why don´t we have any palestinians here) is because they don´t have the same access to computers/internet as Israelis have. And even if they have it can´t used for pure entertainment. Sorry for being seriously in everything today.
Speaking of day: I have to put some people in jail six hours from now so I better say nightynight
So you think we should give money to slave dealers to have them free slaves? I am sure that this tactic will make them reconsider taking slaves in the first place... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
hmm ... i wonder what the slaves had to say about that rescue action. what would you say if you were that slave ...
too bad you're not so high minded when it comes to dealing with terrorists tactics ...
hmm ... i wonder what the slaves had to say about that rescue action. what would you say if you were that slave ...
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Are you actually saying that its okay to buy slaves? UN should get involved in preventing slavery in the first place but as long as there is a marked for slaves its an impossible battle and buying slaves is counterproductive if you want to fight slave dealers.
There is no difference between this and making deals with terrorists holding hostages. What you win here and now you will loose double later...
And for your question: Yes if I was held as a slave I would do everything to get away but I would not wish anyone to do anything that meant other people would come in the same situation as me. The same thing with being held as a hostage. I would do anything possible to get free without being killed but I would not want other people to take my place (which negotiating with hostages would lead to). I would rather let it end with me. And yes its something I have been forced to think through. If I ever had to be in an area where I risked being kidnapped I would wear a message telling that they would not gain anything from holding me hostage and the best for them would be to let me go. If it didn´t save me it would probably save the next guy that did the same...
<strong>The simple answer to that question (why don´t we have any palestinians here) is because they don´t have the same access to computers/internet as Israelis have. And even if they have it can´t used for pure entertainment. Sorry for being seriously in everything today.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, Palestinians have no computers, not even in other countries like European nations...
Don't be weak. I never said that anything definitely happened in Jenin, I only assert that it is extremely suspiscious based on the actions of the IDF. And the security council's accusation of grave-swapping before anyone is even allowed into the camp is very suspiscious.
[quote]This is not about wheather Israel was justified in attacking Jenin or not<hr></blockquote>
I think that's a very important point of contention. Are people defending their territory against an invading force terrorists? I don't think so.
If they jump on YOUR soil with guns they will be terrorists, but as long as they are on their own and are being attacked, it's Israel's fault. Keep your military the hell out of other people's territory and this shit doesn't happen.
PCKilla:
[quote]Because from day one, this whole thing was set up as a trap.<hr></blockquote>
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?
And I'll tell you what a real trap is, it's an armored bulldozer coming at your home with soldiers positioned outside to shoot you if you try to run away. Now THAT'S a trap.
Are you actually saying that its okay to buy slaves? UN should get involved in preventing slavery in the first place but as long as there is a marked for slaves its an impossible battle and buying slaves is counterproductive if you want to fight slave dealers.
There is no difference between this and making deals with terrorists holding hostages. What you win here and now you will loose double later...
And for your question: Yes if I was held as a slave I would do everything to get away but I would not wish anyone to do anything that meant other people would come in the same situation as me. The same thing with being held as a hostage. I would do anything possible to get free without being killed but I would not want other people to take my place (which negotiating with hostages would lead to). I would rather let it end with me. And yes its something I have been forced to think through. If I ever had to be in an area where I risked being kidnapped I would wear a message telling that they would not gain anything from holding me hostage and the best for them would be to let me go. If it didn´t save me it would probably save the next guy that did the same...</strong><hr></blockquote>
heheh ... anders, i think you owe me some beer. bira maccabi will do. or upper canada dark ale.
and groverat, stop trolling. with your logic you can apply as a spokesperson for the taliban. you can claim that you're not terrorist since the US is on afghani soil attacking you. and that really it is the US who are the terrorists.
heheh ... anders, i think you owe me some beer. bira maccabi will do. or upper canada dark ale.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Clever you (I really hope that you wrote that about buying slaves just to get your beer). Next time you are in Denmark you will get your beer. But only danish (my favorite: Sort Guld) or german Weissbeer.
Clever you (I really hope that you wrote that about buying slaves just to get your beer). Next time you are in Denmark you will get your beer. But only danish (my favorite: Sort Guld) or german Weissbeer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?</strong><hr></blockquote>
A feeling of Moral superiority? Kinda like what you get out of posting in these threads. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The trap is this. Set up the groundwork for a pretext to insert UN troops onto Israeli soil. The UN, acting as a defacto Arab proxy, can thus undermine Israeli sovereignty. It?s a slippery road from there on.
While this wonderful semantic quibble about what the term "Cold War" encompasses goes on, don't forget the actual point of contention, pckilla's assertion that the ME situation isn't globally important.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I agree with pckilla on that.
[quote]<strong>containment > Cold War
Korea, Cuba, Vietnam etc... all result from containment, not our Cold War with Russia. The Cold War was about containment as well.
It's a semantic thing.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, it should be Cold War > containment but I'm dropping this now because this is not what the thread is about.
The trap is this. Set up the groundwork for a pretext to insert UN troops onto Israeli soil. The UN, acting as a defacto Arab proxy, can thus undermine Israeli sovereignty. It?s a slippery road from there on.
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
HA HA HA HAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
The UN as an ARAB PROXY!!! Priceless! The United 'Er, Whatever the President of the United States Says' Nations working to undermine Israeli sovereignty! Absolutely priceless.
Mika, you SATIRIST! I didn't realise. You just f*cking with us, intcha!
<strong>mmmk, so the UN wants to get rid of Israel now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am sure members of the UN would like to. However, no, on the whole the UN would gain nothing by that. They would gain a general feeling in the world that they serve a purpose if they could end the violence in the West Bank and Gaza. Right now they look pretty lame.
Umm, stop that! Stop it right now or I will say stop again!!! Don't make me write your name on the board and put a check mark next to it!! RATS!
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I think anders alluded to that earlier. Macs are the Jews of the world. We all know how that story will end. Only 95% to go.
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was kidding off course.... :cool:
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I was kidding off course.... :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
But was Mika kidding (95% to go before peace)
The simple answer to that question (why don´t we have any palestinians here) is because they don´t have the same access to computers/internet as Israelis have. And even if they have it can´t used for pure entertainment. Sorry for being seriously in everything today.
Speaking of day: I have to put some people in jail six hours from now so I better say nightynight
read yor disclaimer ...
mika.
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So you think we should give money to slave dealers to have them free slaves? I am sure that this tactic will make them reconsider taking slaves in the first place... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
hmm ... i wonder what the slaves had to say about that rescue action. what would you say if you were that slave ...
too bad you're not so high minded when it comes to dealing with terrorists tactics ...
g'nit
mika.
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hmm ... i wonder what the slaves had to say about that rescue action. what would you say if you were that slave ...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you actually saying that its okay to buy slaves? UN should get involved in preventing slavery in the first place but as long as there is a marked for slaves its an impossible battle and buying slaves is counterproductive if you want to fight slave dealers.
There is no difference between this and making deals with terrorists holding hostages. What you win here and now you will loose double later...
And for your question: Yes if I was held as a slave I would do everything to get away but I would not wish anyone to do anything that meant other people would come in the same situation as me. The same thing with being held as a hostage. I would do anything possible to get free without being killed but I would not want other people to take my place (which negotiating with hostages would lead to). I would rather let it end with me. And yes its something I have been forced to think through. If I ever had to be in an area where I risked being kidnapped I would wear a message telling that they would not gain anything from holding me hostage and the best for them would be to let me go. If it didn´t save me it would probably save the next guy that did the same...
<strong>The simple answer to that question (why don´t we have any palestinians here) is because they don´t have the same access to computers/internet as Israelis have. And even if they have it can´t used for pure entertainment. Sorry for being seriously in everything today.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, Palestinians have no computers, not even in other countries like European nations...
Don't be weak. I never said that anything definitely happened in Jenin, I only assert that it is extremely suspiscious based on the actions of the IDF. And the security council's accusation of grave-swapping before anyone is even allowed into the camp is very suspiscious.
[quote]This is not about wheather Israel was justified in attacking Jenin or not<hr></blockquote>
I think that's a very important point of contention. Are people defending their territory against an invading force terrorists? I don't think so.
If they jump on YOUR soil with guns they will be terrorists, but as long as they are on their own and are being attacked, it's Israel's fault. Keep your military the hell out of other people's territory and this shit doesn't happen.
PCKilla:
[quote]Because from day one, this whole thing was set up as a trap.<hr></blockquote>
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?
And I'll tell you what a real trap is, it's an armored bulldozer coming at your home with soldiers positioned outside to shoot you if you try to run away. Now THAT'S a trap.
<strong>
Are you actually saying that its okay to buy slaves? UN should get involved in preventing slavery in the first place but as long as there is a marked for slaves its an impossible battle and buying slaves is counterproductive if you want to fight slave dealers.
There is no difference between this and making deals with terrorists holding hostages. What you win here and now you will loose double later...
And for your question: Yes if I was held as a slave I would do everything to get away but I would not wish anyone to do anything that meant other people would come in the same situation as me. The same thing with being held as a hostage. I would do anything possible to get free without being killed but I would not want other people to take my place (which negotiating with hostages would lead to). I would rather let it end with me. And yes its something I have been forced to think through. If I ever had to be in an area where I risked being kidnapped I would wear a message telling that they would not gain anything from holding me hostage and the best for them would be to let me go. If it didn´t save me it would probably save the next guy that did the same...</strong><hr></blockquote>
heheh ... anders, i think you owe me some beer. bira maccabi will do. or upper canada dark ale.
and groverat, stop trolling. with your logic you can apply as a spokesperson for the taliban. you can claim that you're not terrorist since the US is on afghani soil attacking you. and that really it is the US who are the terrorists.
mika.
[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
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heheh ... anders, i think you owe me some beer. bira maccabi will do. or upper canada dark ale.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Clever you (I really hope that you wrote that about buying slaves just to get your beer). Next time you are in Denmark you will get your beer. But only danish (my favorite: Sort Guld) or german Weissbeer.
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Clever you (I really hope that you wrote that about buying slaves just to get your beer). Next time you are in Denmark you will get your beer. But only danish (my favorite: Sort Guld) or german Weissbeer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll take the 5th.
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?
<strong>You avoid the question:
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?</strong><hr></blockquote>
A feeling of Moral superiority? Kinda like what you get out of posting in these threads. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
The U.N. is a person with feelings now?
<strong>You avoid the question:
What does the UN get out of "trapping" Israel?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The trap is this. Set up the groundwork for a pretext to insert UN troops onto Israeli soil. The UN, acting as a defacto Arab proxy, can thus undermine Israeli sovereignty. It?s a slippery road from there on.
mika.
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The U.N. is a person with feelings now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't be naieve. The UN is run by people. People have feelings and motives that are acted out in unison for the most part when part of a larger whole.
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Roger:
While this wonderful semantic quibble about what the term "Cold War" encompasses goes on, don't forget the actual point of contention, pckilla's assertion that the ME situation isn't globally important.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I agree with pckilla on that.
[quote]<strong>containment > Cold War
Korea, Cuba, Vietnam etc... all result from containment, not our Cold War with Russia. The Cold War was about containment as well.
It's a semantic thing.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, it should be Cold War > containment but I'm dropping this now because this is not what the thread is about.
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The trap is this. Set up the groundwork for a pretext to insert UN troops onto Israeli soil. The UN, acting as a defacto Arab proxy, can thus undermine Israeli sovereignty. It?s a slippery road from there on.
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
HA HA HA HAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
The UN as an ARAB PROXY!!! Priceless! The United 'Er, Whatever the President of the United States Says' Nations working to undermine Israeli sovereignty! Absolutely priceless.
Mika, you SATIRIST! I didn't realise. You just f*cking with us, intcha!
u r too cleaver cuz. must run in the family.
u think it runs in the family?
mika.
[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
<strong>mmmk, so the UN wants to get rid of Israel now?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am sure members of the UN would like to. However, no, on the whole the UN would gain nothing by that. They would gain a general feeling in the world that they serve a purpose if they could end the violence in the West Bank and Gaza. Right now they look pretty lame.
Umm, stop that! Stop it right now or I will say stop again!!! Don't make me write your name on the board and put a check mark next to it!! RATS!