actually - i know the factory - it costs just under $3
And that $3 includes maintenance/replacement of the tooling, shipping, handling and cost of sales, for example? I doubt it. Also note that some people that would have bought the cover will now be receiving it for free, therefore, there is lost revenue as well.
actually - i know the factory - it costs just under $3
Adding to what RKRick stated, is that $3 cost for the factory before they add on their profit for making the case so they pay their employees, by materials, maintain the factory, power, water, fees, etc. and turn a profit for investors., or is that what Apple pays the factory for each Bumper?
I do hope all people who said (Solipsism among others) they have no issue won't request one, since as they said, they don't need it.
However, I want to share that this afternoon, Apple Store, Louvre, Paris, employee told me to "use my right hand or buy a case".
For some reason, I'm getting the Apple Free Case (TM?), maybe the fact that I want to hold my phone securely with my left hand while I do everything else with the right one, like open doors, mouseclick etc...
I do hope all people who said (Solipsism among others) they have no issue won't request one, since as they said, they don't need it.
I bought one, Asshat. Since when is attenuation issues the ONLY reason to buy a protective case. I seem to recall a thriving industry for protective cases long before the iPhone 4, long before the iPhone, long before cellphones, and long before Apple. And since your memory isn?t so good most of my testing was done before I had a Bumper or with my Bumper off when I compared it to another in the same local with the issue.
PS: I?ll be buying a case from MarWare and perhaps from Mophie, like I did with my previous iPhones when they become available.
We're talking about fixing a flaw and what should be a minor revision.
Isn't is all a matter degree? Is there one cell phone that is not affected by human attenuation?
Yes, you can make the bars go up and down. Neat party trick. But my iP4 works fine. The bars may change when I put my hand on it a weak signal strength area but it doesn't drop calls.
As far as Apple, just more hubris. "There is no problem, but here's a free case so shut up. Our phone is the most advanced smartphone, yet it has attenuation issues like other some other smartphones." And why only until Sept. 30th?
It's a band-aid. Prettier than nail polish or electrical tape, but you shouldn't need to use a case in some environments, especially if you don't want to use one. I prefer a naked phone.
So do I. In a strong signal strength area, I can't make the bars move. At home, in a low signal strength ares, I can make them move.
I tried some E-tape on my iPhone 4 and it didn't make any difference.
They set the September date to give them time in case they find another solution.
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
Regarding the design flaw: Apple shouldn't have done it either. It's that simple.
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
Yes, now that the human can touch the antenna, it will attenuate the signal but it may be better overall. Remember, even with the human attenuation, only 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS. And you may be able to make calls in areas where the 3GS could not.
It's not over by a long shot. It SHOULD be, but there will still be a lot of whining and complaints and demands that Apple rewrite the laws of physics - and lawsuits. Sadly.
This is the best statement on the issue that I have read!
Unfortunately, Steve has called some of his products "Magical" and now people expect Tinker Bell to fly out of of them and grant them their every wish.
I have had used Mac products since around 1987 and honestly the technology is magical, but now people expect Apple to change the laws of physics as if they are one of the "Q" from STNG!
Just be grateful for the marvelous things they can do, some of us remember when computers didn't exist, and telephones were connected by several wires and even that was quite marvelous.
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Originally Posted by SendMe
Didn't he say "...I do apologize to them"? He must have said that, because otherwise, it would not have been an actual apology.
I only copied and pasted what the blogger for SFGate wrote, others here have posted other variations written by other bloggers. the whole presentation is up online now so you can check what Steve actually said if it is that important to you.
Was going to wait for the white iP4 at the end of this month. I was really looking forward to the white iP4, but now I'm getting a little worried that it may show scratches and stuff. I was originally thinking that the black one would should a lot more grease, fingerprints etc than the white one. I may just go ahead and get the black one this week. Funny how people I know with an iP4 in Japan don't have any antenna issues. Every complaint I've read comes from the USA.
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
Yes, now that the human can touch the antenna, it will attenuate the signal but it may be better overall. Remember, even with the human attenuation, only 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS. And you may be able to make calls in areas where the 3GS could not.
I'm keeping my iP4.
Just for accuracy's sake, less than 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS.
Here's a picture from the Apple website showing the grip that gives problems with the iPhone 4. It doesn't look very natural to me.
If the fingernails were a little dirtier-- that would be me.
I have small hands and that's exactly the way I hold the iPhone. I am right handed and do most one-finger touches with my right hand, while cradling the phone in the left.
Also, I don't change my grip [much] when I place the phone to my left ear for a phone call.
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That's how I hold it... I think that is a pretty natural way of gripping it.\
Was going to wait for the white iP4 at the end of this month. I was really looking forward to the white iP4, but now I'm getting a little worried that it may show scratches and stuff. I was originally thinking that the black one would should a lot more grease, fingerprints etc than the white one. I may just go ahead and get the black one this week. Funny how people I know with an iP4 in Japan don't have any antenna issues. Every complaint I've read comes from the USA.
Its like the LG and Samsung phones that work great in high density population areas where cell coverage is such that there are few low signal areas. You can't give em to a farmer around my neck of the woods: too many dropped calls. Contrast that with the late, lamented Moto W385 which kicks butt for coverage area and reliability. Simple, low feature phone that just works.
It is really hard to find an Asian sourced phone that works as well, sensitivity wise. They make them for their home markets.
My experience with the 3GS is that it is almost as sensitive as the Motorola unit. Several of my friends and neighbors bought the i4 and have had great success since I advised them to either hold the phone in a gloved hand or buy a case for it. There were no cases/bumpers available at first so the glove was a useful interim solution.
Several of my friends and neighbors bought the i4 and have had great success since I advised them to either hold the phone in a gloved hand or buy a case for it. There were no cases/bumpers available at first so the glove was a useful interim solution.
All the iP4s I've seen here are naked and work perfectly. GPS was also awesome. If it weren't for mobile phones having such a small screen (even the iPhone), I wouldn't consider buying an iPad for car navigation. First is an iP4 next is a 2nd gen iPad that will come with a camera.
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actually - i know the factory - it costs just under $3
And that $3 includes maintenance/replacement of the tooling, shipping, handling and cost of sales, for example? I doubt it. Also note that some people that would have bought the cover will now be receiving it for free, therefore, there is lost revenue as well.
actually - i know the factory - it costs just under $3
Adding to what RKRick stated, is that $3 cost for the factory before they add on their profit for making the case so they pay their employees, by materials, maintain the factory, power, water, fees, etc. and turn a profit for investors., or is that what Apple pays the factory for each Bumper?
However, I want to share that this afternoon, Apple Store, Louvre, Paris, employee told me to "use my right hand or buy a case".
For some reason, I'm getting the Apple Free Case (TM?), maybe the fact that I want to hold my phone securely with my left hand while I do everything else with the right one, like open doors, mouseclick etc...
I think it is a good move.
I would like to hear from everyone who said that there was no way in hell Apple would ever give away free bumpers though.
I was one of those people.
I didn't think Apple would do it because they didn't want to forego the revenue.
But I say kudos to Apple for biting the bullet.
Apple rules. Everyone else drools.
best post this month
Apple rules. Everyone else drools.
Apple rules. Everyone else drools.
Apple rules.
i feel this thread should have a theme song or something . maybe
>> dirty deeds done dirt cheap !!
judy singing
somewhere over the rainbow ...
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i am not
I do hope all people who said (Solipsism among others) they have no issue won't request one, since as they said, they don't need it.
I bought one, Asshat. Since when is attenuation issues the ONLY reason to buy a protective case. I seem to recall a thriving industry for protective cases long before the iPhone 4, long before the iPhone, long before cellphones, and long before Apple. And since your memory isn?t so good most of my testing was done before I had a Bumper or with my Bumper off when I compared it to another in the same local with the issue.
PS: I?ll be buying a case from MarWare and perhaps from Mophie, like I did with my previous iPhones when they become available.
We're talking about fixing a flaw and what should be a minor revision.
Isn't is all a matter degree? Is there one cell phone that is not affected by human attenuation?
Yes, you can make the bars go up and down. Neat party trick. But my iP4 works fine. The bars may change when I put my hand on it a weak signal strength area but it doesn't drop calls.
Flaw? Na. Physics.
As far as Apple, just more hubris. "There is no problem, but here's a free case so shut up. Our phone is the most advanced smartphone, yet it has attenuation issues like other some other smartphones." And why only until Sept. 30th?
It's a band-aid. Prettier than nail polish or electrical tape, but you shouldn't need to use a case in some environments, especially if you don't want to use one. I prefer a naked phone.
So do I. In a strong signal strength area, I can't make the bars move. At home, in a low signal strength ares, I can make them move.
I tried some E-tape on my iPhone 4 and it didn't make any difference.
They set the September date to give them time in case they find another solution.
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/16/apple-s-rotten-reponse.html?from=rss
Regarding the design flaw: Apple shouldn't have done it either. It's that simple.
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
Yes, now that the human can touch the antenna, it will attenuate the signal but it may be better overall. Remember, even with the human attenuation, only 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS. And you may be able to make calls in areas where the 3GS could not.
I'm keeping my iP4.
It's not over by a long shot. It SHOULD be, but there will still be a lot of whining and complaints and demands that Apple rewrite the laws of physics - and lawsuits. Sadly.
This is the best statement on the issue that I have read!
Unfortunately, Steve has called some of his products "Magical" and now people expect Tinker Bell to fly out of of them and grant them their every wish.
I have had used Mac products since around 1987 and honestly the technology is magical, but now people expect Apple to change the laws of physics as if they are one of the "Q" from STNG!
Just be grateful for the marvelous things they can do, some of us remember when computers didn't exist, and telephones were connected by several wires and even that was quite marvelous.
Didn't he say "...I do apologize to them"? He must have said that, because otherwise, it would not have been an actual apology.
I only copied and pasted what the blogger for SFGate wrote, others here have posted other variations written by other bloggers. the whole presentation is up online now so you can check what Steve actually said if it is that important to you.
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
Yes, now that the human can touch the antenna, it will attenuate the signal but it may be better overall. Remember, even with the human attenuation, only 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS. And you may be able to make calls in areas where the 3GS could not.
I'm keeping my iP4.
Just for accuracy's sake, less than 1% more dropped calls than the 3GS.
Here's a picture from the Apple website showing the grip that gives problems with the iPhone 4. It doesn't look very natural to me.
If the fingernails were a little dirtier-- that would be me.
I have small hands and that's exactly the way I hold the iPhone. I am right handed and do most one-finger touches with my right hand, while cradling the phone in the left.
Also, I don't change my grip [much] when I place the phone to my left ear for a phone call.
.
That's how I hold it... I think that is a pretty natural way of gripping it.
Was going to wait for the white iP4 at the end of this month. I was really looking forward to the white iP4, but now I'm getting a little worried that it may show scratches and stuff. I was originally thinking that the black one would should a lot more grease, fingerprints etc than the white one. I may just go ahead and get the black one this week. Funny how people I know with an iP4 in Japan don't have any antenna issues. Every complaint I've read comes from the USA.
Its like the LG and Samsung phones that work great in high density population areas where cell coverage is such that there are few low signal areas. You can't give em to a farmer around my neck of the woods: too many dropped calls. Contrast that with the late, lamented Moto W385 which kicks butt for coverage area and reliability. Simple, low feature phone that just works.
It is really hard to find an Asian sourced phone that works as well, sensitivity wise. They make them for their home markets.
My experience with the 3GS is that it is almost as sensitive as the Motorola unit. Several of my friends and neighbors bought the i4 and have had great success since I advised them to either hold the phone in a gloved hand or buy a case for it. There were no cases/bumpers available at first so the glove was a useful interim solution.
Several of my friends and neighbors bought the i4 and have had great success since I advised them to either hold the phone in a gloved hand or buy a case for it. There were no cases/bumpers available at first so the glove was a useful interim solution.
All the iP4s I've seen here are naked and work perfectly. GPS was also awesome. If it weren't for mobile phones having such a small screen (even the iPhone), I wouldn't consider buying an iPad for car navigation. First is an iP4 next is a 2nd gen iPad that will come with a camera.
Is there a long term fix for the iphone4? The free bumper and case is a band aid solution.
Yes. Return it.
the glove was a useful interim solution.
But the whiners would say "I don't WANNA wear a glove"!
It's been addressed.
Two very different notions.
It says anyway that the iPhone4, and even all the former iPhones do have a design issue.