what about the slow uplaod att thing? why did nobody ask abou that . it makes my phone useless when i am not in a wifi area.
You likely have one with a manufacturing defect. Just call Applecare and arrange for a Genius bar appointment where they will give you a new iPhone. Not a problem. And why did you not think to do that yourself already?
Or
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
That's an AT&T network problem, not a defect with the iPhone 4. AT&T is aware of the issue.
Problem solved i'd say. Bumpers that cost Apple $1 in production.
Will someone please inform that person from Consumer Reports. Yes he may not agree with Apple's solution that is his right. But Please take into consideration If he still is not happy with his iPhone 4 take it back for a full refund. End of story . If he still has difficulty comprehending that then it is he at Consumers Report who has a problem not Apple.
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
Regarding the design flaw: Apple shouldn't have done it either. It's that simple.
wow, this article is scathing!!! Although I don't really agree 100% with this article, he does have some good arguments. If you read through this whole blog, you will notice a lot of post-ers that have changed their tune who had once hated. I expect AI to post something about this soon.
wow, this article is scathing!!! Although I don't really agree 100% with this article, he does have some good arguments. If you read through this whole blog, you will notice a lot of post-ers that have changed their tune who had once hated. I expect AI to post something about this soon.
I like how so many Apple consumers feel entitled to whatever they want from Apple. It's like, just because it's Apple, they feel like they should get some sort of special treatment if something isn't the way they want. This is a free-market: if you don't like their product, don't buy it.
In this case, if you've already bought it and don't like it, APPLE IS GIVING YOUR MONEY BACK! What else is there to whine about?
No, it's been solved. You have your choice of solutions. If putting a case on it solves it for you, that's option #1. If you don't want to use a case, return it for a refund. That's option #2.
Either way, problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Park Seward
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
I had the 3G and it occasionally dropped calls. Not that big a deal or that often, but enough that I had to occasionally redial. I haven't had a singled dropped call with my iPhone 4 yet.
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Originally Posted by RKRick
What we don't know is if some of the additional dropped calls are made in areas where a 3GS couldn't even make or receive a call to begin with. Statistics can be played from many angles.
That's a good point. Testing showed that the antenna sensitivity on the 4 is better than on the 3GS. It may well be the case that some of the calls that dropped on the 4 would never have gone through in the first place with the 3GS. That makes the discrepancy even smaller.
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Originally Posted by guinness
As far as Apple, just more hubris. "There is no problem, but here's a free case so shut up. Our phone is the most advanced smartphone, yet it has attenuation issues like other some other smartphones." And why only until Sept. 30th?
It's a band-aid. Prettier than nail polish or electrical tape, but you shouldn't need to use a case in some environments, especially if you don't want to use one. I prefer a naked phone.
Instead of simply whining, why don't you provide evidence that Apple is wrong. Show us that other phones don't drop calls. Show us that signal strength doesn't vary with other phones. Show us other phones that have better sensitivity than the iPhone 4.
As for the case, call it what you will. Some people have a problem with a slight increase (over the 3GS--but see above) in dropped calls. When they put a case on the phone (which many people do simply to protect the phone), the problem goes away. If that's not a fix, I don't know what is.
Oh, yeah. if you actually own an iPhone 4 (which is almost certainly not the case), return it for a full refund. PROBLEM SOLVED.
But if it's only AT&T's fault why is this indication not more widespread?
I read that the problem was with a particular manufacturer's switch at AT&T towers. That particular new model was not employed widely yet so the problem is not widespread.
"AT&T Wednesday issued a statement that said the upload slow-downs stemmed from software problems in their Alcatel-Lucent HSUPA equipment.
AT&T and Alcatel-Lucent jointly identified a software defect ? triggered under certain conditions ? that impacted uplink performance for Laptop Connect and smartphone customers using 3G HSUPA-capable wireless devices in markets with Alcatel-Lucent equipment. This impacts less than two percent of our wireless customer base. While Alcatel-Lucent develops the appropriate software fix, we are providing normal 3G uplink speeds and consistent performance for affected customers with HSUPA-capable devices."
Some people will never be happy until Steve Jobs is flogged and executed in public.
Remember how people still complained after Apple credited the early adopters of the first iPhone? Among the reasons that they complained was that $100 credit wasn't money lost for Apple; these people didn't want Apple to rectify the situation so much as suffer severe loss. It's the same here. No, a case isn't the ideal solution, but it is a solution and until Apple figures out a way to fix it, what more can we expect? To expect Apple to find an adequate solution that brings about no compromises in the span of a few weeks is unrealistic.
Some people will never be happy until Steve Jobs is flogged and executed in public.
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
It takes two to tango.
I agree. Anybody who acts as if Apple doesn't make mistakes and that all this hoopla was only by whiners (a lot of might have been, but there clearly were people who actually did own the phone who actually did have problems with it) is as much an idiot. People need to take a lesson from Steve Jobs. He doesn't pretend Apple is perfect and he doesn't even pretend that Google, Apple's rival, is pure evil.
“That’s the way we’ve always done it so that’s the way it should always be done.” is a winning philosophy¡ Awesome way to live your life¡ Who cares about the better signal strength compared to other phones in most cases or their ability to reduce the size while adding more to the design. I guess that is all pointless so long as don’t ever change anything¡
You mean like telling people that all phones have this issue, so Apple doesn't need to change anything?
I guess you would prefer that Jobs did not say:
"We will continue to work on more advanced antenna designs that don’t have this problem or put this problem in an out of the way place."
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
It takes two to tango.
false dichotomies, unfortunately, dominate alot of discussion on the interwebs, in my opinion.
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what about the slow uplaod att thing? why did nobody ask abou that . it makes my phone useless when i am not in a wifi area.
You likely have one with a manufacturing defect. Just call Applecare and arrange for a Genius bar appointment where they will give you a new iPhone. Not a problem. And why did you not think to do that yourself already?
Or
That's an AT&T network problem, not a defect with the iPhone 4. AT&T is aware of the issue.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20...html?tag=mncol
But if it's only AT&T's fault why is this indication not more widespread?
Very good of Apple to do this. If we werent switching carriers I would have placed my order for the White iPhone already
Good luck with that plan. Where Were You Planning On Ordering White?
Problem solved i'd say. Bumpers that cost Apple $1 in production.
Will someone please inform that person from Consumer Reports. Yes he may not agree with Apple's solution that is his right. But Please take into consideration If he still is not happy with his iPhone 4 take it back for a full refund. End of story . If he still has difficulty comprehending that then it is he at Consumers Report who has a problem not Apple.
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/16/apple-s-rotten-reponse.html?from=rss
Regarding the design flaw: Apple shouldn't have done it either. It's that simple.
wow, this article is scathing!!! Although I don't really agree 100% with this article, he does have some good arguments. If you read through this whole blog, you will notice a lot of post-ers that have changed their tune who had once hated. I expect AI to post something about this soon.
Bad analogy. We're not talking about getting a next-gen product for free. ...
Yes, you are. The analogy is perfect. People know what the issues are, they can buy or not buy, or return if already bought.
wow, this article is scathing!!! Although I don't really agree 100% with this article, he does have some good arguments. If you read through this whole blog, you will notice a lot of post-ers that have changed their tune who had once hated. I expect AI to post something about this soon.
I like how so many Apple consumers feel entitled to whatever they want from Apple. It's like, just because it's Apple, they feel like they should get some sort of special treatment if something isn't the way they want. This is a free-market: if you don't like their product, don't buy it.
In this case, if you've already bought it and don't like it, APPLE IS GIVING YOUR MONEY BACK! What else is there to whine about?
The problem is not solved
It's been addressed.
Two very different notions.
No, it's been solved. You have your choice of solutions. If putting a case on it solves it for you, that's option #1. If you don't want to use a case, return it for a refund. That's option #2.
Either way, problem solved.
It may seem the external antenna was a good move. Bring the antenna out of the case to make it more sensitive and perform better. I now get better reception at home with the iP4 than with the iP1
I had the 3G and it occasionally dropped calls. Not that big a deal or that often, but enough that I had to occasionally redial. I haven't had a singled dropped call with my iPhone 4 yet.
What we don't know is if some of the additional dropped calls are made in areas where a 3GS couldn't even make or receive a call to begin with. Statistics can be played from many angles.
That's a good point. Testing showed that the antenna sensitivity on the 4 is better than on the 3GS. It may well be the case that some of the calls that dropped on the 4 would never have gone through in the first place with the 3GS. That makes the discrepancy even smaller.
As far as Apple, just more hubris. "There is no problem, but here's a free case so shut up. Our phone is the most advanced smartphone, yet it has attenuation issues like other some other smartphones." And why only until Sept. 30th?
It's a band-aid. Prettier than nail polish or electrical tape, but you shouldn't need to use a case in some environments, especially if you don't want to use one. I prefer a naked phone.
Instead of simply whining, why don't you provide evidence that Apple is wrong. Show us that other phones don't drop calls. Show us that signal strength doesn't vary with other phones. Show us other phones that have better sensitivity than the iPhone 4.
As for the case, call it what you will. Some people have a problem with a slight increase (over the 3GS--but see above) in dropped calls. When they put a case on the phone (which many people do simply to protect the phone), the problem goes away. If that's not a fix, I don't know what is.
Oh, yeah. if you actually own an iPhone 4 (which is almost certainly not the case), return it for a full refund. PROBLEM SOLVED.
But if it's only AT&T's fault why is this indication not more widespread?
I read that the problem was with a particular manufacturer's switch at AT&T towers. That particular new model was not employed widely yet so the problem is not widespread.
"AT&T Wednesday issued a statement that said the upload slow-downs stemmed from software problems in their Alcatel-Lucent HSUPA equipment.
AT&T and Alcatel-Lucent jointly identified a software defect ? triggered under certain conditions ? that impacted uplink performance for Laptop Connect and smartphone customers using 3G HSUPA-capable wireless devices in markets with Alcatel-Lucent equipment. This impacts less than two percent of our wireless customer base. While Alcatel-Lucent develops the appropriate software fix, we are providing normal 3G uplink speeds and consistent performance for affected customers with HSUPA-capable devices."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...ftware_glitch/
Remember how people still complained after Apple credited the early adopters of the first iPhone? Among the reasons that they complained was that $100 credit wasn't money lost for Apple; these people didn't want Apple to rectify the situation so much as suffer severe loss. It's the same here. No, a case isn't the ideal solution, but it is a solution and until Apple figures out a way to fix it, what more can we expect? To expect Apple to find an adequate solution that brings about no compromises in the span of a few weeks is unrealistic.
Whatever is a hater to do now?
Good Lord, don't encourage the idiots!
They did, it was during a promo in 2007.
That's how I got my copy of Vista Business.
You missed a key word in your response. They said a "working" copy.
The problem is not solved
It's been addressed.
Two very different notions.
It says anyway that the iPhone4, and even all the former iPhones do have a design issue.
this is an issue present in ALOT of smartphones made by Motorola, Nokia, HTC, Samsung, etc.
Some people will never be happy until Steve Jobs is flogged and executed in public.
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
It takes two to tango.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/
I really wanted to support Apple in this thing, and I was finally ready to leave Verizon for AT&T when the iPhone 4 came out. But I am disappointed with what appears to be an obvious design flaw in the iPhone 4 and Apple's weak response. In my opinion the Newsweek story nailed it:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/16/apple-s-rotten-reponse.html?from=rss
Regarding the design flaw: Apple shouldn't have done it either. It's that simple.
Not surprising considering the source. Look how many ads in it are paid by Microsoft.
If I'm not mistaken there's even a Newsweek Microsoft news site.
The MS stands for Microsoft.
I'm done.
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
It takes two to tango.
I agree. Anybody who acts as if Apple doesn't make mistakes and that all this hoopla was only by whiners (a lot of might have been, but there clearly were people who actually did own the phone who actually did have problems with it) is as much an idiot. People need to take a lesson from Steve Jobs. He doesn't pretend Apple is perfect and he doesn't even pretend that Google, Apple's rival, is pure evil.
“That’s the way we’ve always done it so that’s the way it should always be done.” is a winning philosophy¡ Awesome way to live your life¡ Who cares about the better signal strength compared to other phones in most cases or their ability to reduce the size while adding more to the design. I guess that is all pointless so long as don’t ever change anything¡
You mean like telling people that all phones have this issue, so Apple doesn't need to change anything?
I guess you would prefer that Jobs did not say:
"We will continue to work on more advanced antenna designs that don’t have this problem or put this problem in an out of the way place."
http://www.macnn.com/live/#ixzz0tzJsOVio
Yes, and there are also those who will never be happy until Steve Jobs has been sainted and Apple turned into a religion that is sanctioned by the US Government (after all, the US was founded with Apple principles).
It takes two to tango.
false dichotomies, unfortunately, dominate alot of discussion on the interwebs, in my opinion.