[Short for obsolete atwite, from Middle English atwiten, from Old English ætwtan : æt, at; see at1 + wtan, to reproach; see weid- in Indo-European Roots.]
Encarta: The first dictionary I have ever heard of where the publisher is mentioned and in which his profile is getting better and better for each edition.
Encarta: The first dictionary I have ever heard of where the publisher is mentioned and in which his profile is getting better and better for each edition.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"The Encarta World English Dictionary is a world wide partnership between the Microsoft Corporation, Bloomsbury Publishing in the UK, St. Martin's Press in the United States and Pan Macmillan in Australia."
Great another accuser who can't name me one source of facts and just lashes out at me for saying Israel is defending itself... glad to see you're such a tolerant and reasonable man... oh you work in a uni so you must be right .... wait I thought recourse to the facts is a main part of science ... ah well who cares.... I'm sure you know what you are saying.
But you know, this made me realize something - how come all those people who are so obsessed by trying to prove israel is evil always end up talking about Israel as Nazi Germany or Fascist or Apartheid, how come every Israeli military operation becomes a massacre in their hands ? is it simply because they have no real way of morally arguing on the points ( because no one really has the moral high ground in this conflict and its far too complicated to be solved by simply blaming one side) that they resort to extreme and ridiculous accusations ? as an attempt to simply draw the argument to extremes so as to give them a moral superiority that enables them to cancel every thing the other side might try saying .
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>Mussolini's original conception of Fascism actually aligns itself very well with where Israel is right now. Here are the root ideas:
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Come on lay it on me ...
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in leaders: good politics sees not representatives expressing the desires of those below but leaders who command; the goals of a country are imposed by leaders of vision from above.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Israel believes in leaders ? Ha ! then how come they change their leaders every couple of years on average ? obviously you know nothing about Israel ... Israelis are the most hectic un-govenable lot . there are about 15 parties in the Knesset representing every element of Israeli society from extreme right wing settlers to arab Israelis and communists and they all fight constantly for power and influence. leader's popularity is a short lived business and most end up ditched by the people and their fellow politicians as soon as they make the smallest mistake... Sharon's popularity is at its lowest ATM BTW...
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in the value of a strong and unified nation: the willing and eager sacrifice of individual goals and lives to strengthen the national purpose, with war and expansion as tests of strength and arenas for heroic sacrifice.
Coordination and propaganda: advertising, ceremonies, the ruling party as an enforer of social discipline and respect for the leader.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe what ruling party ? that one or the other one ? eager to sacrifice ? if you had to defend your family wouldn't you grit your teeth and take the risk ?
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in at least some traditional hierarchies: the army, the family, sometimes the church.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Israel is mostly secular, the family is no more or less important then in other western countries, the Army - well, didn't the Arabs try to destroy Israel 3 times in the past 50 years ... it kind of became necessary... but you will say its all Israel's fault.... ah well... i know whatever I say - you'll ignore it......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A hatred of socialists and liberals: socialists as opponents of national self-assertion (and as potential betrayers of the people to slavery under a foreign Russian elite); liberals as unwilling to take the steps necessary to fight socialists, as self-absorbed individualists who weakened the nation, and as parliamentarians who did not recognize that the nation, not the individual, held rights.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man you are REALLY ignorant aren't you ... Israel was bloody founded by socialists, some of the early zionists were communists and Israel's Labor party which ruled Israel straight up to 1977 is a Social Democratic party in the mold of the UK Labor or the German Social democrats parties. your talking shit here ! BTW Peres ( the war criminal remember.....) and Rabin and Barak were all Labor PMs Israel has one of the most liberal constitutional systems in the world with a very strong independent judiciary and a free press.
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Sounds very similar. Looks like what the US is going through now, too.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whatever .....i'll let your fellow americans on this forum answer that load of crap !
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Of course, the last major part of Fascism was a hatred of Jews, but this is not as much of a philosophical part of the system since the above dictates the ideology for what were seen as the real citizens. The Jewish hatred centered around the Jewish presense hindering the ability to adopt the four above.
Anyway, one could replace "Jew" with "Palestinian" and get a perfect manifestation of fascism in Israel right now.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How is Israel racist against Arabs in the way Germany and Italy were racist ? please explain ! and prove !
And BTW the basic racist hatred of the jews was based on race ... it perceived the jewish race as inferior to the sublime proud European races .
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Esspecially when you say dissenters should be stripped of their citizenship. Imagine if we in the US kicked all of the Blacks out or shipped out our Vietnam draft-dodgers. If you want to have a respected country, you have to deal with these things in a mature manner.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The fact that PCKILLA said that doesn't make it the official policy of the country (its totally impossible for this to happen) and it doesn't mean I think the same ! I know we are all just dirty Israelis for you but we do have different opinions ...... well, only when our Duche doesn't speak his orders that is.......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
If you are a thinking person, you should be able to figure out that Israel is not under attack for no reason and that Palestinians have very legitimate gripes. Everyone else in the world can see it and you should be able to as well. Educated Americans very much understand why we are under attack, </strong><hr></blockquote>
I never said that the palestinians don't have legitimate grips, that doesn't mean that killing Israeli civilians is ok or that it's even useful for their cause. the moment they start using Indiscriminant violence against civilians their grips become irrelevant .... things slide into war and from there ...... bad things happen !
If you're a thinking person you realize that the only solution would be found through negotiations, Arafat had many chances to get back into the dialog especially before the recent Israeli operation in the OT, Israel was withdrawing its forces stopped all its offensive actions and was accepting all of the American envoy's [Gen. Zini] ceasefire plans, the Palestinians on the other hand did not stop their attacks for a single moment (indeed about 150 Israelis were killed during march) and instead they launched a wave of suicide bombings and rejected all of Zini's proposals. Now if you are a thinking person this would be a fairly clear sign that someone is out to kill you and that you must fight back .... but then the whole world knows Israelis are not thinking people ...... they are barbarian fascists.......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
and if the Bush administration keeps up its "war against terror" in the indescriminant and undemocratic manner, you can be sure that the next election will see a major political shift.
Many Americans are rightly questioning our unquavering alliance with Israel. All recent polls show that a large majority of Americans are not happy with the Bush administration not doing more to get Israel to stop its recent attacks on Palestinians.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
really ...mmm so how come the president's approval ratings are the highest EVER in American history ? I guess most americans are not thinking people as well ......
any links you want to share with us ?
coz i found these ..... kind of different to what you state...
If people are attacking you and your country, maybe you should take a second to figure out why. Don't spew some crap that you live there so you have to defend yourself against irrational attackers because you are talking to an american who works at a major university. In other words, most people I speak with on a daily basis have an accent, and not because they are from Trailerparkinsas. Maybe you should figure out why most of the billions of people on earth think that what your country is doing is wrong. It would be wrong for anyone else to so it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you talk to billions of people ....mmm good stuff .. you must be right .... I'm sorry I'll go hug some Hamas person.... he will sort my fascist non thinking mind out......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
And don't try to act like foreigners can't criticize your government or you nations policies. Some of the best commentary on the US comes from outside sources, all the way up to the Economist. You live in a global community.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
When did I say foreigners cant criticize the Israeli government ? indeed I have learnt quite a bit from foreigners like Anders, Hassan and New debating with me in a sensible and frank manner .. something you seem reluctant to do !
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Also, if you are so upset about you family getting killed that you condone killing Palestinians, it sure seems like you're saying that you put a different value on the lives of different races. Interesting that you are fending off what you see as racism, and the rest of the world sees it as anti Israeli policy, while participating in ethnic cleansing yourself.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I never condoned killing palestinians and I sure as hell never said their lives are less important then Israeli's.... war is war its sad and brutal and people die ! but some times you have no other choice, if you can't see that then thats your problem not mine !
<strong>leader's popularity is a short lived business and most end up ditched by the people and their fellow politicians as soon as they make the smallest mistake... Sharon's popularity is at its lowest ATM BTW... </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I made a mistake there I was refering to sharon's popularity with right wing voters.
Over all across the nation his polls are very good ATM
These are the people we choose to represent us.US support for israel isn't going anywhere. If anything it's getting stronger since even this issue trancends partisan lines.
<strong>I thought it was funny. Hence: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I had never been called a twat before.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I laughed loudly too as i had never actually seen the word used before, only heard of it. I had a feeling he was unaware of the word he was using. Anyhow. on with the topic.
Of course to me, personally, I do not consider any of these to be established facts. Nor do I consider anything claimed by any news paper an established fact. It is the internet after all, each can "fact-check your ass" as they say. It is a he say's she say's.
Books are facts or evidence? This is not what I learnt from history either. History of the moment and current events are written by the strong to show his righteousness, defend his/her claims, and promote the cause of war and justify all kinds of actions, the good deeds and the bad deeds.
There are lots of links here and there that would defend each sides claims. Both sides would call them facts. At the end only logic at the moment prevails to our mind.
What am I after? Well majority does not grant USA, Israel, Europe, or Arab world the claim of righteousness. Otherwise, for a Christian brethren, the Crucifixion of Jesus would be the far most right action being supported by the masse at the time. For the scientific oriented minds, Galileo would be dead wrong because the majority of the scientific community back then was determined that everything revolves around Earth. I hope you get the point.
One other thing I have learnt from reading history. Righteousness will always prevail. No matter how many centuries it will take.
Finally, let the people speak for the people, a whole site made by jewish individuals who are against the establishment of the State of Israel:
This one is alling Israel's policy Nazi and claiming Israel is trying to exterminate 3 million Palestinians..
Oh, and another lovely quote I found....( finaly someone has explained it all to me ..) :
...'The attacks come from the highest levels of an alliance of rogue elements in the United States and Britain. But to really understand this campaign, it must first be understood that blaming Osama bin Laden as the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, is a hoax, and the explanation of the current war in Afghanistan as following from that blame is therefore a fraud.
The Sept. 11 events must be recognized as an internal attempted coup d'état, says Lyndon LaRouche, Democratic Presidential pre-candidate for 2004. He made this point and situated its importance in detail again on Nov. 17, in answering questions following his strategic presentation to a a meeting in Mainz, Germany (see Conference Report in this issue). LaRouche focussed attention on the struggle going on between two policies toward dealing with the irregular warfare threat which struck the United States Sept. 11, and had struck Russia and other nations repeatedly earlier. One policy is being pursued as a result of increasingly close collaboration between Presidents Bush and Putin; the other policy, opposing it, is coming from the circles also attacking Egypt and Saudi Arabia...'
Wow.... the man knows his shit ! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Hmm, very interesting post jakkorz. You?d be surprised, but I happen to almost agree with you on many points, accept of-course the part(s) where you lay the blame. Can I ask you question? Why are you hateful or fearful of Zionists/Israelis? I mean what nationality, religion, political group, etc. are you that you feel that it is antagonistic to Zionism, or puts you or your group at odds with Zionism/Israelis?
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<strong>Sorry mate but your reply was a twat's reply
Ok, i know this is a bit late but Rashumon, you might want to know that you are not calling people what you think you are.
[quote]twat Pronunciation Key (twt)
n.
Vulgar Slang. The vulva.
Offensive & Vulgar Slang. A woman or girl.
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[Origin unknown.]
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. <hr></blockquote>
Perhaps you meant this instead?
[quote]twit Pronunciation Key (twt)
tr.v. twit·ted, twit·ting, twits
To taunt, ridicule, or tease, especially for embarrassing mistakes or faults. See Synonyms at ridicule.
n.
The act or an instance of twitting.
A reproach, gibe, or taunt.
Slang. A foolishly annoying person.
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[Short for obsolete atwite, from Middle English atwiten, from Old English ætwtan : æt, at; see at1 + wtan, to reproach; see weid- in Indo-European Roots.]
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twitter n.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. <hr></blockquote>
The spelling is quite similar, but the meaning is worlds aparts. :eek:
an offensive term referring to somebody who is seen as unthinking or silly (slang insult)
dull-witted
inattentive, unperceptive, slow
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation.
mika.
[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation.
<hr></blockquote>
:eek:
Encarta: The first dictionary I have ever heard of where the publisher is mentioned and in which his profile is getting better and better for each edition.
<strong>
:eek:
Encarta: The first dictionary I have ever heard of where the publisher is mentioned and in which his profile is getting better and better for each edition.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.collegedictionary.net/"; target="_blank">http://www.collegedictionary.net/</a>;
"The Encarta World English Dictionary is a world wide partnership between the Microsoft Corporation, Bloomsbury Publishing in the UK, St. Martin's Press in the United States and Pan Macmillan in Australia."
<strong>twit n
an offensive term referring to somebody who is seen as unthinking or silly (slang insult)
dull-witted
inattentive, unperceptive, slow
Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation.
mika.
[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, Twit not Twat. Thank you for the backup definition mika.
But you know, this made me realize something - how come all those people who are so obsessed by trying to prove israel is evil always end up talking about Israel as Nazi Germany or Fascist or Apartheid, how come every Israeli military operation becomes a massacre in their hands ? is it simply because they have no real way of morally arguing on the points ( because no one really has the moral high ground in this conflict and its far too complicated to be solved by simply blaming one side) that they resort to extreme and ridiculous accusations ? as an attempt to simply draw the argument to extremes so as to give them a moral superiority that enables them to cancel every thing the other side might try saying .
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>Mussolini's original conception of Fascism actually aligns itself very well with where Israel is right now. Here are the root ideas:
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Come on lay it on me ...
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in leaders: good politics sees not representatives expressing the desires of those below but leaders who command; the goals of a country are imposed by leaders of vision from above.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Israel believes in leaders ? Ha ! then how come they change their leaders every couple of years on average ? obviously you know nothing about Israel ... Israelis are the most hectic un-govenable lot . there are about 15 parties in the Knesset representing every element of Israeli society from extreme right wing settlers to arab Israelis and communists and they all fight constantly for power and influence. leader's popularity is a short lived business and most end up ditched by the people and their fellow politicians as soon as they make the smallest mistake... Sharon's popularity is at its lowest ATM BTW...
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in the value of a strong and unified nation: the willing and eager sacrifice of individual goals and lives to strengthen the national purpose, with war and expansion as tests of strength and arenas for heroic sacrifice.
Coordination and propaganda: advertising, ceremonies, the ruling party as an enforer of social discipline and respect for the leader.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe what ruling party ? that one or the other one ? eager to sacrifice ? if you had to defend your family wouldn't you grit your teeth and take the risk ?
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A belief in at least some traditional hierarchies: the army, the family, sometimes the church.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Israel is mostly secular, the family is no more or less important then in other western countries, the Army - well, didn't the Arabs try to destroy Israel 3 times in the past 50 years ... it kind of became necessary... but you will say its all Israel's fault.... ah well... i know whatever I say - you'll ignore it......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
A hatred of socialists and liberals: socialists as opponents of national self-assertion (and as potential betrayers of the people to slavery under a foreign Russian elite); liberals as unwilling to take the steps necessary to fight socialists, as self-absorbed individualists who weakened the nation, and as parliamentarians who did not recognize that the nation, not the individual, held rights.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man you are REALLY ignorant aren't you ... Israel was bloody founded by socialists, some of the early zionists were communists and Israel's Labor party which ruled Israel straight up to 1977 is a Social Democratic party in the mold of the UK Labor or the German Social democrats parties. your talking shit here ! BTW Peres ( the war criminal remember.....) and Rabin and Barak were all Labor PMs Israel has one of the most liberal constitutional systems in the world with a very strong independent judiciary and a free press.
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Sounds very similar. Looks like what the US is going through now, too.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whatever
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Of course, the last major part of Fascism was a hatred of Jews, but this is not as much of a philosophical part of the system since the above dictates the ideology for what were seen as the real citizens. The Jewish hatred centered around the Jewish presense hindering the ability to adopt the four above.
Anyway, one could replace "Jew" with "Palestinian" and get a perfect manifestation of fascism in Israel right now.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How is Israel racist against Arabs in the way Germany and Italy were racist ? please explain ! and prove !
And BTW the basic racist hatred of the jews was based on race ... it perceived the jewish race as inferior to the sublime proud European races .
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Esspecially when you say dissenters should be stripped of their citizenship. Imagine if we in the US kicked all of the Blacks out or shipped out our Vietnam draft-dodgers. If you want to have a respected country, you have to deal with these things in a mature manner.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The fact that PCKILLA said that doesn't make it the official policy of the country (its totally impossible for this to happen) and it doesn't mean I think the same ! I know we are all just dirty Israelis for you but we do have different opinions ...... well, only when our Duche doesn't speak his orders that is.......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
If you are a thinking person, you should be able to figure out that Israel is not under attack for no reason and that Palestinians have very legitimate gripes. Everyone else in the world can see it and you should be able to as well. Educated Americans very much understand why we are under attack, </strong><hr></blockquote>
I never said that the palestinians don't have legitimate grips, that doesn't mean that killing Israeli civilians is ok or that it's even useful for their cause. the moment they start using Indiscriminant violence against civilians their grips become irrelevant .... things slide into war and from there ...... bad things happen !
If you're a thinking person you realize that the only solution would be found through negotiations, Arafat had many chances to get back into the dialog especially before the recent Israeli operation in the OT, Israel was withdrawing its forces stopped all its offensive actions and was accepting all of the American envoy's [Gen. Zini] ceasefire plans, the Palestinians on the other hand did not stop their attacks for a single moment (indeed about 150 Israelis were killed during march) and instead they launched a wave of suicide bombings and rejected all of Zini's proposals. Now if you are a thinking person this would be a fairly clear sign that someone is out to kill you and that you must fight back .... but then the whole world knows Israelis are not thinking people ...... they are barbarian fascists.......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
and if the Bush administration keeps up its "war against terror" in the indescriminant and undemocratic manner, you can be sure that the next election will see a major political shift.
Many Americans are rightly questioning our unquavering alliance with Israel. All recent polls show that a large majority of Americans are not happy with the Bush administration not doing more to get Israel to stop its recent attacks on Palestinians.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
really ...mmm so how come the president's approval ratings are the highest EVER in American history ? I guess most americans are not thinking people as well ......
any links you want to share with us ?
coz i found these ..... kind of different to what you state...
<a href="http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/feder04082002.htm"; target="_blank">http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/feder04082002.htm</a>;
<a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020430-43442508.htm"; target="_blank">http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020430-43442508.htm</a>;
<a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr020429.asp"; target="_blank">http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr020429.asp</a>;
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/02/congress.israel/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/02/congress.israel/index.html</a>;
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson020402.shtml"; target="_blank">http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson020402.shtml</a>;
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/opinion/polls/main505251.shtml"; target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/opinion/polls/main505251.shtml</a>;
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
If people are attacking you and your country, maybe you should take a second to figure out why. Don't spew some crap that you live there so you have to defend yourself against irrational attackers because you are talking to an american who works at a major university. In other words, most people I speak with on a daily basis have an accent, and not because they are from Trailerparkinsas. Maybe you should figure out why most of the billions of people on earth think that what your country is doing is wrong. It would be wrong for anyone else to so it.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you talk to billions of people ....mmm good stuff .. you must be right .... I'm sorry I'll go hug some Hamas person.... he will sort my fascist non thinking mind out......
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
And don't try to act like foreigners can't criticize your government or you nations policies. Some of the best commentary on the US comes from outside sources, all the way up to the Economist. You live in a global community.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
When did I say foreigners cant criticize the Israeli government ? indeed I have learnt quite a bit from foreigners like Anders, Hassan and New debating with me in a sensible and frank manner .. something you seem reluctant to do !
[quote]Originally posted by giant:
<strong>
Also, if you are so upset about you family getting killed that you condone killing Palestinians, it sure seems like you're saying that you put a different value on the lives of different races. Interesting that you are fending off what you see as racism, and the rest of the world sees it as anti Israeli policy, while participating in ethnic cleansing yourself.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I never condoned killing palestinians and I sure as hell never said their lives are less important then Israeli's.... war is war its sad and brutal and people die ! but some times you have no other choice, if you can't see that then thats your problem not mine !
<strong>
Yes, Twit not Twat. Thank you for the backup definition mika.
My pleasure.
[quote]Originally posted by rashumon:
<strong>Great another accuser .... </strong><hr></blockquote>
Rash, why you bothering with this guy? It's like beating a dead horse.
mika.
<strong>
The spelling is quite similar, but the meaning is worlds aparts. :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>
LOL interesting ...in UK slang twat means a jerk or an idiot or something like that....
thats what i meant anyway....
<strong>
LOL interesting ...in UK slang twat means a jerk or an idiot or something like that....
thats what i meant anyway....</strong><hr></blockquote>
twat = vulva = pussy = cunt
So in a way you?re right too. It?s like someone calling someone else a cunt.
mika.
<strong>
twat = vulva = pussy = cunt
So in a way you?re right too. It?s like someone calling someone else a cunt.
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly ! .... but lets get back to the important issue....
<strong>leader's popularity is a short lived business and most end up ditched by the people and their fellow politicians as soon as they make the smallest mistake... Sharon's popularity is at its lowest ATM BTW... </strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I made a mistake there I was refering to sharon's popularity with right wing voters.
Over all across the nation his polls are very good ATM
<strong>
Exactly ! .... but lets get back to the important issue....</strong><hr></blockquote>
heheh ? i still think you meant to say twit. twat is rather vulgar ?
<strong>
heheh ? i still think you meant to say twit. twat is rather vulgar ?
OK OK I'm sorry I was rude .....
I love groverat and he's not a twat ....
in fact I am the twat for calling him a twat... there ..happy ....
grover can u ever forgive me ?
Now, what do you all think about that twat Giant ? ...oops ..
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<PC> I hope u all understand that this is in good spirit not as an insult...</PC>
<strong>
I love groverat and he's not a twat ....
in fact I am the twat for calling him a twat...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
no no no! you can be a twit for calling him a twat - not a twat! heheh
twiddle dee twiddle da ...
sorry. way too much coffee, and it's really late ...
mika.
[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
I had never been called a twat before.
These are the people we choose to represent us.US support for israel isn't going anywhere. If anything it's getting stronger since even this issue trancends partisan lines.
<strong>I thought it was funny. Hence: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I had never been called a twat before.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I laughed loudly too as i had never actually seen the word used before, only heard of it. I had a feeling he was unaware of the word he was using. Anyhow. on with the topic.
<a href="http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm"; target="_blank">Who Runs The United States of America Today.</a>
Scroll Down a bit to read the quotes. Aside from Sharon's quote at the top.
A Biography of His excellency Mr. Sharon Prime Minister of Israel:
<a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/site_packages/2002/sharon/020430sharon_crime_hist.html"; target="_blank">Profile of Sharon</a>
Of course to me, personally, I do not consider any of these to be established facts. Nor do I consider anything claimed by any news paper an established fact. It is the internet after all, each can "fact-check your ass" as they say. It is a he say's she say's.
Books are facts or evidence? This is not what I learnt from history either. History of the moment and current events are written by the strong to show his righteousness, defend his/her claims, and promote the cause of war and justify all kinds of actions, the good deeds and the bad deeds.
There are lots of links here and there that would defend each sides claims. Both sides would call them facts. At the end only logic at the moment prevails to our mind.
What am I after? Well majority does not grant USA, Israel, Europe, or Arab world the claim of righteousness. Otherwise, for a Christian brethren, the Crucifixion of Jesus would be the far most right action being supported by the masse at the time. For the scientific oriented minds, Galileo would be dead wrong because the majority of the scientific community back then was determined that everything revolves around Earth. I hope you get the point.
One other thing I have learnt from reading history. Righteousness will always prevail. No matter how many centuries it will take.
Finally, let the people speak for the people, a whole site made by jewish individuals who are against the establishment of the State of Israel:
<a href="http://www.netureikarta.org"; target="_blank">Neturei Karta</a>
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He that does the Will of GOD remains forever.
<strong>A Biography of His excellency Mr. Sharon Prime Minister of Israel:
Profile of Sharon</strong><hr></blockquote>
mm.. here are some of the delightful I found while going through that deep, serious and reliable site ... very convincing I must say...
<a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2917aus_fasc.html"; target="_blank">http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2917aus_fasc.html</a>;
<a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2914bush_nero.html"; target="_blank">http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2914bush_nero.html</a>;
<a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2002/020130idf_fascism.html"; target="_blank">http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2002/020130idf_fascism.html</a>;
This one is alling Israel's policy Nazi and claiming Israel is trying to exterminate 3 million Palestinians..
Oh, and another lovely quote I found....( finaly someone has explained it all to me ..) :
...'The attacks come from the highest levels of an alliance of rogue elements in the United States and Britain. But to really understand this campaign, it must first be understood that blaming Osama bin Laden as the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, is a hoax, and the explanation of the current war in Afghanistan as following from that blame is therefore a fraud.
The Sept. 11 events must be recognized as an internal attempted coup d'état, says Lyndon LaRouche, Democratic Presidential pre-candidate for 2004. He made this point and situated its importance in detail again on Nov. 17, in answering questions following his strategic presentation to a a meeting in Mainz, Germany (see Conference Report in this issue). LaRouche focussed attention on the struggle going on between two policies toward dealing with the irregular warfare threat which struck the United States Sept. 11, and had struck Russia and other nations repeatedly earlier. One policy is being pursued as a result of increasingly close collaboration between Presidents Bush and Putin; the other policy, opposing it, is coming from the circles also attacking Egypt and Saudi Arabia...'
Wow.... the man knows his shit ! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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mika.