The only problem is that Gruber's right 90% of the time. He basically gave the talking points and the name of the 3GS before it came out. If you, like Gruber, can "predict" a Mac Mini server model than you should start your own blog and get paid for advertising because that's one hell of a guess.
The only sites I listen to for rumors are AI (when it's their story and not quoting an analyst) & Daring Fireball.
If Gruber says a Verizon iPhone is coming it's most likely true.
It has to be said though (before the Gruber worship gets too thick), that he's just a regular guy.
He's not some kind of predictive genius or anything, he's just got friends on the inside. Friends who are smart enough to give him hints, but ethical enough not to break their agreements and tell him anything directly. Which is basically what you want.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
It has to be said though (before the Gruber worship gets too thick), that he's just a regular guy.
He's not some kind of predictive genius or anything, he's just got friends on the inside. Friends who are smart enough to give him hints, but ethical enough not to break their agreements and tell him anything directly. Which is basically what you want.
I enjoy Gruber's work and, from what I hear, isn't exactly the nicest guy in the world to put it nicely. But I do give credit where it's due.
Maybe "prediction" is the wrong word. It's clear he has people on the inside who have a lot wide-ranging knowledge of Apple product development since his rumors are on both the Mac and iOS. As does AI.
Because like Edge you can't do voice and data at the same time.
Not true. ATTWS (in some markets) and a few other major providers around the globe employ EDGE 2.75G, a FW upgrade that allows simultaneous voice and data, and, technically, a “transitional” 2G technology - but a ratified 3G technology. ATTWS is considering employing EDGE 2.75G in markets that will likely never see WCDMA/LTE but have sufficient backhaul and market to serve the need. The other side of it is that handsets need to have the capability for EDGE 2.75G - I’ve owned a couple of European Nokia phones capable of simultaneous data and voice, tho’ I’ll take my iPhone 4 any day of the week.
I don't recall ever seeing anything about SJ being "angered" by Verizon's rejection. Where is that coming from?
Let's just hope they remember to test it outside of a case! Sorry, couldn't resist.
Verizon Communications president and chief operating officer Denny Strigl said: "The iPhone product is something we are happy we aren't the first to market with."
Verizon vice president Jim Gerace (one of many veeps at the company) said: "We said no. We have nothing bad to say about the Apple iPhone. We just couldn't reach a deal that was mutually beneficial."
Sure it doesn't say Steve was miffed but yeah he was.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
No way is VZW implementing SVDO for data use when they?re barreling forward with LTE deployment and testing. Maybe SVDO for voice, but I?d bet a shiny nickel that the two major LTE carriers are going to need every bit and byte of backhaul for all of those sexy LTE devices they?ll want to sell. I get decent EVDO data speeds in the middle of the Oregon Coast Range or Cascades right now - myself, and none of my employees would pay a nickel more to VZW if they?re stepping down to 1X Advanced CDMA2000, and VZW knows it. The specs for SVDO are just short of a year old at this writing - LTE is going up NOW. We use both ATTWS and VZW, and I?ve frozen all VZW smartphone purchases until 2/2011 because I know what?s likely coming - smartphones on VZW with simultaneous 1X voice and LTE data. QED.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
You're pretty sure? Well they'd better hurry! Since they have no phones using it right now, wouldn't it be a little weird if they launched it the same day as they launched a CDMA iphone? Yeah...
Not true. ATTWS (in some markets) and a few other major providers around the globe employ EDGE 2.75G, a FW upgrade that allows simultaneous voice and data, and, technically, a ?transitional? 2G technology - but a ratified 3G technology. ATTWS is considering employing EDGE 2.75G in markets that will likely never see WCDMA/LTE but have sufficient backhaul and market to serve the need. The other side of it is that handsets need to have the capability for EDGE 2.75G - I?ve owned a couple of European Nokia phones capable of simultaneous data and voice, tho? I?ll take my iPhone 4 any day of the week.
So you're saying that Edge is BETTER than Verizon's network? Yikes.
Good guess but try again. Had the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G actually. Still didn't use voice and data at the same time. Of course where I am, supposedly a good AT&T area, it was basically voodoo to be able to get a signal at all. In that case, I couldn't use voice or data on their own, much less simultaneously.
Good guess but try again. Had the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G actually. Still didn't use voice and data at the same time. Of course where I am, supposedly a good AT&T area, it was basically voodoo to be able to get a signal at all. In that case, I couldn't use voice or data on their own, much less simultaneously.
That makes one of you then. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you're typical though.
No way is VZW implementing SVDO for data use when they?re barreling forward with LTE deployment and testing. Maybe SVDO for voice, but I?d bet a shiny nickel that the two major LTE carriers are going to need every bit and byte of backhaul for all of those sexy LTE devices they?ll want to sell. I get decent EVDO data speeds in the middle of the Oregon Coast Range or Cascades right now - myself, and none of my employees would pay a nickel more to VZW if they?re stepping down to 1X Advanced CDMA2000, and VZW knows it. The specs for SVDO are just short of a year old at this writing - LTE is going up NOW. We use both ATTWS and VZW, and I?ve frozen all VZW smartphone purchases until 2/2011 because I know what?s likely coming - smartphones on VZW with simultaneous 1X voice and LTE data. QED.
Actually...yes way. LTE has been up for some time in test markets. When it goes GA, probably around Thanksgiving it will be for data services like dongles and wifi access points, probably not handset until Q1 2011 at the earliest. SVDO simply allows 1X voice and data services to run simultaneously. It is an enhancement to CDMA that doesn't preclude LTE. The CDMA voice & data network will be running for another decade and LTE voice is supposedly going to be CDMA 1x until VoLTE. You will pay most probably pay more to VZW because you will go off your unlimited data plan and go on to a tiered data plan when you switch to LTE. Guess what, you're gonna fall back to CDMA data when you roam. So actually it would seem, CDMA will be around for years even though the LTE network is a few months from going live, a cdma or cdma/lte iphone is ramping up for production to be released in January. Apple is notorious for controlling certain aspects of the user experience and it's hard to believe that would change now and allow there to be such a basic functional difference between a umts and a cdma uphone, namely concurrent voice and date calls. QED. If we knew the Qualcomm MSM in the supposed CDMA iphone it would go a long way to clearing this all up. I think that though Gruber says CDMA it's ever so possible it's LTE with CDMA fallback.
and what has he done to get quoted so much? He has barely done anything in the world of IT/Tech besides his blog that is nothing but a daily rant on stuff he likes.
I mean I could sit around and make predictions about when the next iMac, iPhone, iLife is going to come out and be right 50% of the time which is probably better than him.
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No, he tends to be right a lot. Much more than the idiot "analysts" that get quoted, and more than 50%. And I don't think random guessing would net you a 50% rate, probably closer to 10 or 15.
Gordon
Gruber has done a lot of technical articles on how to install the latest version of: Java; PHP; Apache, etc on OS X. He has the bona fides and is well respected by the Apple technical community!
It seems extremely likely Apple has had a CDMA iPhone in play at some level before the original iPhone was even announced. Besides the inevitable if AT&T didntbwork out it's a good bargaining chip to hold over AT&T to make then bend over for Apple's demands.
Since this is Gruber and he is often correct because he has sources inside (he predicted the 940x640 iPhone 4 display months ahead of time) I have no reason it's not true.
There have also been mentions of a CDMA iPhone in China. This is the other end of the stick. You can't easily hide the need for millions of CDMA iPhones for a quarter. This makes me think we'll get an announcement within a couple months and a release in the first month or two of 2011.
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The only problem is that Gruber's right 90% of the time. He basically gave the talking points and the name of the 3GS before it came out. If you, like Gruber, can "predict" a Mac Mini server model than you should start your own blog and get paid for advertising because that's one hell of a guess.
The only sites I listen to for rumors are AI (when it's their story and not quoting an analyst) & Daring Fireball.
If Gruber says a Verizon iPhone is coming it's most likely true.
It has to be said though (before the Gruber worship gets too thick), that he's just a regular guy.
He's not some kind of predictive genius or anything, he's just got friends on the inside. Friends who are smart enough to give him hints, but ethical enough not to break their agreements and tell him anything directly. Which is basically what you want.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
Wait, SVDO? Stevedo?
It has to be said though (before the Gruber worship gets too thick), that he's just a regular guy.
He's not some kind of predictive genius or anything, he's just got friends on the inside. Friends who are smart enough to give him hints, but ethical enough not to break their agreements and tell him anything directly. Which is basically what you want.
I enjoy Gruber's work and, from what I hear, isn't exactly the nicest guy in the world to put it nicely. But I do give credit where it's due.
Maybe "prediction" is the wrong word. It's clear he has people on the inside who have a lot wide-ranging knowledge of Apple product development since his rumors are on both the Mac and iOS. As does AI.
As much as has been speculated here about how angered SJ was by Verizon's initial iPhone rejection...
I don't recall ever seeing anything about SJ being "angered" by Verizon's rejection. Where is that coming from?
Let's just hope they remember to test it outside of a case!
Because like Edge you can't do voice and data at the same time.
Not true. ATTWS (in some markets) and a few other major providers around the globe employ EDGE 2.75G, a FW upgrade that allows simultaneous voice and data, and, technically, a “transitional” 2G technology - but a ratified 3G technology. ATTWS is considering employing EDGE 2.75G in markets that will likely never see WCDMA/LTE but have sufficient backhaul and market to serve the need. The other side of it is that handsets need to have the capability for EDGE 2.75G - I’ve owned a couple of European Nokia phones capable of simultaneous data and voice, tho’ I’ll take my iPhone 4 any day of the week.
I don't recall ever seeing anything about SJ being "angered" by Verizon's rejection. Where is that coming from?
Let's just hope they remember to test it outside of a case!
Verizon Communications president and chief operating officer Denny Strigl said: "The iPhone product is something we are happy we aren't the first to market with."
Verizon vice president Jim Gerace (one of many veeps at the company) said: "We said no. We have nothing bad to say about the Apple iPhone. We just couldn't reach a deal that was mutually beneficial."
Sure it doesn't say Steve was miffed but yeah he was.
Tired of it really. I worked for VZW and wouldn't switch to VZW if they gave the phone out free.
VZW will get the iPhone sometime in 2012 after the AT&T 5 years is up.
I have as much chance as being correct as this Goober.. Gruber.. whatever his name is..
Maybe Sprint is getting it and not Vzw? ever thought of that? I heard T-Mobile was also supposed to have it be years end as well...
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How is Verizon 3G like an Edge phone? I can count on 1 hand the times I have wanted to use voice and data simultaneously.
Then you must be a Verizon customer.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
No way is VZW implementing SVDO for data use when they?re barreling forward with LTE deployment and testing. Maybe SVDO for voice, but I?d bet a shiny nickel that the two major LTE carriers are going to need every bit and byte of backhaul for all of those sexy LTE devices they?ll want to sell. I get decent EVDO data speeds in the middle of the Oregon Coast Range or Cascades right now - myself, and none of my employees would pay a nickel more to VZW if they?re stepping down to 1X Advanced CDMA2000, and VZW knows it. The specs for SVDO are just short of a year old at this writing - LTE is going up NOW. We use both ATTWS and VZW, and I?ve frozen all VZW smartphone purchases until 2/2011 because I know what?s likely coming - smartphones on VZW with simultaneous 1X voice and LTE data. QED.
It's called SVDO, I'm pretty sure VZW is implementing it. Needs new CDMA chips in the handsets...which the iphone will have cause Steve Jobs will want it.
You're pretty sure? Well they'd better hurry! Since they have no phones using it right now, wouldn't it be a little weird if they launched it the same day as they launched a CDMA iphone? Yeah...
Not true. ATTWS (in some markets) and a few other major providers around the globe employ EDGE 2.75G, a FW upgrade that allows simultaneous voice and data, and, technically, a ?transitional? 2G technology - but a ratified 3G technology. ATTWS is considering employing EDGE 2.75G in markets that will likely never see WCDMA/LTE but have sufficient backhaul and market to serve the need. The other side of it is that handsets need to have the capability for EDGE 2.75G - I?ve owned a couple of European Nokia phones capable of simultaneous data and voice, tho? I?ll take my iPhone 4 any day of the week.
So you're saying that Edge is BETTER than Verizon's network? Yikes.
Then you must be a Verizon customer.
Good guess but try again. Had the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G actually. Still didn't use voice and data at the same time. Of course where I am, supposedly a good AT&T area, it was basically voodoo to be able to get a signal at all. In that case, I couldn't use voice or data on their own, much less simultaneously.
Because like Edge you can't do voice and data at the same time
Maybe that is due to the fact that EDGE is a data technology, you don't do voice over EDGE
Good guess but try again. Had the iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G actually. Still didn't use voice and data at the same time. Of course where I am, supposedly a good AT&T area, it was basically voodoo to be able to get a signal at all. In that case, I couldn't use voice or data on their own, much less simultaneously.
That makes one of you then. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you're typical though.
No way is VZW implementing SVDO for data use when they?re barreling forward with LTE deployment and testing. Maybe SVDO for voice, but I?d bet a shiny nickel that the two major LTE carriers are going to need every bit and byte of backhaul for all of those sexy LTE devices they?ll want to sell. I get decent EVDO data speeds in the middle of the Oregon Coast Range or Cascades right now - myself, and none of my employees would pay a nickel more to VZW if they?re stepping down to 1X Advanced CDMA2000, and VZW knows it. The specs for SVDO are just short of a year old at this writing - LTE is going up NOW. We use both ATTWS and VZW, and I?ve frozen all VZW smartphone purchases until 2/2011 because I know what?s likely coming - smartphones on VZW with simultaneous 1X voice and LTE data. QED.
Actually...yes way. LTE has been up for some time in test markets. When it goes GA, probably around Thanksgiving it will be for data services like dongles and wifi access points, probably not handset until Q1 2011 at the earliest. SVDO simply allows 1X voice and data services to run simultaneously. It is an enhancement to CDMA that doesn't preclude LTE. The CDMA voice & data network will be running for another decade and LTE voice is supposedly going to be CDMA 1x until VoLTE. You will pay most probably pay more to VZW because you will go off your unlimited data plan and go on to a tiered data plan when you switch to LTE. Guess what, you're gonna fall back to CDMA data when you roam. So actually it would seem, CDMA will be around for years even though the LTE network is a few months from going live, a cdma or cdma/lte iphone is ramping up for production to be released in January. Apple is notorious for controlling certain aspects of the user experience and it's hard to believe that would change now and allow there to be such a basic functional difference between a umts and a cdma uphone, namely concurrent voice and date calls. QED. If we knew the Qualcomm MSM in the supposed CDMA iphone it would go a long way to clearing this all up. I think that though Gruber says CDMA it's ever so possible it's LTE with CDMA fallback.
"Jon Gruber of Daring Fireball"
Why is this guy always quoted? I looked him up.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gruber
and what has he done to get quoted so much? He has barely done anything in the world of IT/Tech besides his blog that is nothing but a daily rant on stuff he likes.
I mean I could sit around and make predictions about when the next iMac, iPhone, iLife is going to come out and be right 50% of the time which is probably better than him.
No, he tends to be right a lot. Much more than the idiot "analysts" that get quoted, and more than 50%. And I don't think random guessing would net you a 50% rate, probably closer to 10 or 15.
Gordon
Gruber has done a lot of technical articles on how to install the latest version of: Java; PHP; Apache, etc on OS X. He has the bona fides and is well respected by the Apple technical community!
He's earned his props!
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That makes one of you then. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you're typical though.
I'd recommend the same to you.
Since this is Gruber and he is often correct because he has sources inside (he predicted the 940x640 iPhone 4 display months ahead of time) I have no reason it's not true.
There have also been mentions of a CDMA iPhone in China. This is the other end of the stick. You can't easily hide the need for millions of CDMA iPhones for a quarter. This makes me think we'll get an announcement within a couple months and a release in the first month or two of 2011.
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