I assure you he was underpaid. At least in a relative sense. He may have been an under qualified bumbling idiot who couldn't perform the duties his job entailed (which would put him in the overpaid category) but unless you're listed in the executive bio pages at apple.com, you're pretty much going to be underpaid.
Apple can afford to underpay and still acquire/retain talent because many of those people want to work for Apple (as opposed to any other company) so much that they just settle for the lower income. Some of these people just want to be able to say they work for Apple when asked and being able to do so is worth whatever the delta is between what they're paid working for Apple versus whatever greater amount they could get paid working for a company that's not Apple.
You can't assure anyone, because you have no idea what Apple pays for positions.
Guys, you want to know where the real Wild West is? It's Asia. This article relates to stuff that has actually been discovered. There's a heck of a lot more shenanigans going on.
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I wonder how long he got way with that before getting caught. Thats about as major as it gets.
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This make no sense (as reported).
He was supposedly selling "secrets" to manufacturers, but other sites are reporting that the manufacturers were case manufacturers? What possible "secrets" could be passed to a case manufacturer that would allow them to make a better deal with Apple when they were negotiating their contract? Sounds bogus to me.
It makes far more sense if he was leaking actual product info as in he was the source of all the recent leaks.
Also, if he supposedly made a million bucks doing this over the course of it, he was seriously underpaid. What kind of a moron ruins their whole life for anything under a few million? He would have been getting only a few tens of thousands per leak it seems. That's not enough to do such a serious crime and possibly (like this guy) lose everything over.
Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
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Wow these Asian companies play hardball.
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LOL Of all the things not to do at Apple that would be the one I?d be most afraid of. I?d rather tug on Superman?s cape or pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger before I leaked secrets at Apple.
A couple things should come of this. Leaks will drop a bit because this leak has been plugged, although the secrets look they were sold to other tech companies not to the press. And we?ll see Apple tighten up security even more, perhaps even going to the extreme (read: extreme for Apple.).
The self-righteous mob never considers what they would do in the same situation, faced with accepting a million dollars in bribes, or just walking away. Everyone, EVERYONE, has a price. Even Steve Jobs.
Apple needs to change managers more often to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
Maybe a lot of people ... but not everyone.
Secondly, I'm guessing this action was started with less than a payoff of a million dollars .... after all, the event took place over a fairly long period of time, so the first payoff might have been for a sum considerably less ... perhaps only 100s of dollars. .... still not right, in my book, at any price. One, at the end of the day, has to be able to look at themselves in the mirror, don't you think? ... just sayin'
Secondly, I'm guessing this action was started with less than a payoff of a million dollars .... after all, the event took place over a fairly long period of time, so the first payoff might have been for a sum considerably less ... perhaps only 100s of dollars. .... still not right, in my book, at any price. One, at the end of the day, has to be able to look at themselves in the mirror, don't you think? ... just sayin'
Except those who take the few minutes to think long and hard about what they are doing, or thinking of doing.
i was in a positions on several occasions to pass along some drugs and I passed. When this was happening, I was handed an envelope with $1.000's of dollars in it (many thousands). All I had to do was leave my truck unlock and someone was going to put a package in the back. I was then going to make my regular deliveries and someone would take the package off of the truck. So I would have never touched the stuff, but was offered a ton of cash to do this.
I sit down and look at the money, and then thought about my wife and kids, my life, my business and I said "No"!
They didn't give up. A short while later I was offered even MORE money (yes the envelope was MUCH bigger). One more time I said thanks but no!
Yes I offered wonder if I would have been caught, and even if so, what would I be charged with, and what did that mean ? 3 to 5!
A year or so later, many of the people involved in this operation were busted, and all started squealing on each other, mothers, brothers, fathers, uncles ? 3-10!
It's a interesting part of my life, and one I'm proud of.
Oh, I wanted the money, and heaven knows I could have used it, but it wouldn't have been enough to get my family through for ? 3-5!
It makes far more sense if he was leaking actual product info as in he was the source of all the recent leaks.
Giving circuit board/component dimensions to interested suppliers IS products info. "Compensation" for advance product information has been standard practice in Asian nations for decades.
Only the court has to view a suspect as innocent until proven guilty. You and I can think and say anything we want about his guilt.
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...until proven guilty in court. Remember?
No, the angry and self-righteous mob never does.
Anyways, I have no doubt he will be proven guilty, but I have doubts about the extent of his actions. And it doesn't seem that Apple was harmed in any significant way, rather he may have been giving some suppliers a competitive edge against other suppliers.
This is not good for people who live on Apple rumor sites. Like US!
We love the leaks but we hate the leakers. That's why we read AI instead of the sites that actually talk to the leakers and get first-hand info. AI just takes the stuff that the first-hand sites report, and repeats it. That way, we get all the leaks while not having to deal with the leakers.
LOL Of all the things not to do at Apple that would be the one I?d be most afraid of. I?d rather tug on Superman?s cape or pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger before I leaked secrets at Apple.
You don't pull on Superman's cape,
You don't spit into the wind,
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger and
You don't mess around with STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I wanted the money, and heaven knows I could have used it, but it wouldn't have been enough to get my family through for ? 3-5!
Skip
I don't believe you. Unless those were amateurs, they would have picked a trucker who was in no position to refuse them. And if they picked you, they would have engineered things so that saying NO was a very, very difficult thing to do - much more difficult than saying yes.
This story does not have any ring of truth to it. I know people who got caught up with Whitey Bulger in Southie - they were not given a yes/no choice. They were given a yes/move away/die choice.
Sorry. You sound like a frustrated screen writer who needs to do more research.
Only the court has to view a suspect as innocent until proven guilty. You and I can think and say anything we want about his guilt.
True, we are free to think anything (different or, as observed more often, the same). But what we say here on AI has no relevance to whether he really is guilty or not. I only stress on that because of my distaste for a mob getting ready for a lynching. I don't really care if he's guilty.
True, we are free to think anything (different or, as observed more often, the same). But what we say here on AI has no relevance to whether he really is guilty or not. I only stress on that because of my distaste for a mob getting ready for a lynching. I don't really care if he's guilty.
People have done far worse for much less. The promise of money can play tricks on the weak-minded. For example, take those who worked for gov't and sold top secret info to foreign powers. Every free country has someone at some point who is so self-deluded to believe he/she is smarter and "special" and won't get caught. If the accusations against this Devine dude prove true, guaranteed he was cut from the same "smarter and special" cloth as the ones I mentioned above.
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I assure you he was underpaid. At least in a relative sense. He may have been an under qualified bumbling idiot who couldn't perform the duties his job entailed (which would put him in the overpaid category) but unless you're listed in the executive bio pages at apple.com, you're pretty much going to be underpaid.
Apple can afford to underpay and still acquire/retain talent because many of those people want to work for Apple (as opposed to any other company) so much that they just settle for the lower income. Some of these people just want to be able to say they work for Apple when asked and being able to do so is worth whatever the delta is between what they're paid working for Apple versus whatever greater amount they could get paid working for a company that's not Apple.
You can't assure anyone, because you have no idea what Apple pays for positions.
You can't assure anyone, because you have no idea what Apple pays for positions.
That's like when people post "Trust me, it's xyz (or whatever)".
Why should we trust them?
That's like when people post "Trust me, it's xyz (or whatever)".
Why should we trust them?
Generally, it would be because the guy has a good record in posting. Not perfect, but pretty good. But otherwise, no.
If convicted, prison time would be too good. Make him face Steve. In person.
Even that is too kind. A seven day straight Barney marathon sounds about right.
It's never worth it. Crime never pays.
Nice Dick Tracy quote but in the real world crime too often does pay.
Yeeee Haaar!
I wonder how long he got way with that before getting caught. Thats about as major as it gets.
This make no sense (as reported).
He was supposedly selling "secrets" to manufacturers, but other sites are reporting that the manufacturers were case manufacturers? What possible "secrets" could be passed to a case manufacturer that would allow them to make a better deal with Apple when they were negotiating their contract? Sounds bogus to me.
It makes far more sense if he was leaking actual product info as in he was the source of all the recent leaks.
Also, if he supposedly made a million bucks doing this over the course of it, he was seriously underpaid. What kind of a moron ruins their whole life for anything under a few million? He would have been getting only a few tens of thousands per leak it seems. That's not enough to do such a serious crime and possibly (like this guy) lose everything over.
Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
Wow these Asian companies play hardball.
LOL Of all the things not to do at Apple that would be the one I?d be most afraid of. I?d rather tug on Superman?s cape or pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger before I leaked secrets at Apple.
A couple things should come of this. Leaks will drop a bit because this leak has been plugged, although the secrets look they were sold to other tech companies not to the press. And we?ll see Apple tighten up security even more, perhaps even going to the extreme (read: extreme for Apple.).
Greed!
The self-righteous mob never considers what they would do in the same situation, faced with accepting a million dollars in bribes, or just walking away. Everyone, EVERYONE, has a price. Even Steve Jobs.
Apple needs to change managers more often to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
Maybe a lot of people ... but not everyone.
Secondly, I'm guessing this action was started with less than a payoff of a million dollars .... after all, the event took place over a fairly long period of time, so the first payoff might have been for a sum considerably less ... perhaps only 100s of dollars. .... still not right, in my book, at any price. One, at the end of the day, has to be able to look at themselves in the mirror, don't you think? ... just sayin'
Maybe a lot of people ... but not everyone.
Secondly, I'm guessing this action was started with less than a payoff of a million dollars .... after all, the event took place over a fairly long period of time, so the first payoff might have been for a sum considerably less ... perhaps only 100s of dollars. .... still not right, in my book, at any price. One, at the end of the day, has to be able to look at themselves in the mirror, don't you think? ... just sayin'
Except those who take the few minutes to think long and hard about what they are doing, or thinking of doing.
i was in a positions on several occasions to pass along some drugs and I passed. When this was happening, I was handed an envelope with $1.000's of dollars in it (many thousands). All I had to do was leave my truck unlock and someone was going to put a package in the back. I was then going to make my regular deliveries and someone would take the package off of the truck. So I would have never touched the stuff, but was offered a ton of cash to do this.
I sit down and look at the money, and then thought about my wife and kids, my life, my business and I said "No"!
They didn't give up. A short while later I was offered even MORE money (yes the envelope was MUCH bigger). One more time I said thanks but no!
Yes I offered wonder if I would have been caught, and even if so, what would I be charged with, and what did that mean ? 3 to 5!
A year or so later, many of the people involved in this operation were busted, and all started squealing on each other, mothers, brothers, fathers, uncles ? 3-10!
It's a interesting part of my life, and one I'm proud of.
Oh, I wanted the money, and heaven knows I could have used it, but it wouldn't have been enough to get my family through for ? 3-5!
Skip
This make no sense (as reported).
It makes far more sense if he was leaking actual product info as in he was the source of all the recent leaks.
Giving circuit board/component dimensions to interested suppliers IS products info. "Compensation" for advance product information has been standard practice in Asian nations for decades.
...until proven guilty in court. Remember?
No, the angry and self-righteous mob never does.
Anyways, I have no doubt he will be proven guilty, but I have doubts about the extent of his actions. And it doesn't seem that Apple was harmed in any significant way, rather he may have been giving some suppliers a competitive edge against other suppliers.
This bastard should be put away so others will learn their lesson.
I hope he gets the maximum. No deals with the government should be accepted.
The max for him will prolly be a fine of a few thousand dollars and 5 years probation.
He will quickly get a job repping for the Asian companies he was compensated by, prolly making more money than he was at Apple.
If convicted, prison time would be too good. Make him face Steve. In person.
Steve is too nice a guy. He has people for that stuff.
This is not good for people who live on Apple rumor sites. Like US!
We love the leaks but we hate the leakers. That's why we read AI instead of the sites that actually talk to the leakers and get first-hand info. AI just takes the stuff that the first-hand sites report, and repeats it. That way, we get all the leaks while not having to deal with the leakers.
LOL Of all the things not to do at Apple that would be the one I?d be most afraid of. I?d rather tug on Superman?s cape or pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger before I leaked secrets at Apple.
You don't pull on Superman's cape,
You don't spit into the wind,
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger and
You don't mess around with STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I wanted the money, and heaven knows I could have used it, but it wouldn't have been enough to get my family through for ? 3-5!
Skip
I don't believe you. Unless those were amateurs, they would have picked a trucker who was in no position to refuse them. And if they picked you, they would have engineered things so that saying NO was a very, very difficult thing to do - much more difficult than saying yes.
This story does not have any ring of truth to it. I know people who got caught up with Whitey Bulger in Southie - they were not given a yes/no choice. They were given a yes/move away/die choice.
Sorry. You sound like a frustrated screen writer who needs to do more research.
Only the court has to view a suspect as innocent until proven guilty. You and I can think and say anything we want about his guilt.
True, we are free to think anything (different or, as observed more often, the same). But what we say here on AI has no relevance to whether he really is guilty or not. I only stress on that because of my distaste for a mob getting ready for a lynching. I don't really care if he's guilty.
True, we are free to think anything (different or, as observed more often, the same). But what we say here on AI has no relevance to whether he really is guilty or not. I only stress on that because of my distaste for a mob getting ready for a lynching. I don't really care if he's guilty.
Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
People have done far worse for much less. The promise of money can play tricks on the weak-minded. For example, take those who worked for gov't and sold top secret info to foreign powers. Every free country has someone at some point who is so self-deluded to believe he/she is smarter and "special" and won't get caught. If the accusations against this Devine dude prove true, guaranteed he was cut from the same "smarter and special" cloth as the ones I mentioned above.