Apple manager charged with leaking secrets for kickbacks

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  • Reply 81 of 94
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    Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post


    And it doesn't seem that Apple was harmed in any significant way, rather he may have been giving some suppliers a competitive edge against other suppliers.



    Did you seriously just write that and not see the glaring contradiction in your own point? Wow. Moving along...
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  • Reply 82 of 94
    drdoppiodrdoppio Posts: 1,132member
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    Originally Posted by Goocher View Post


    Did you seriously just write that and not see the glaring contradiction in your own point? Wow. Moving along...



    No, I didn't write it seriously, why?



    Where's the contradiction? What do Apple care which of their suppliers will get the deal with them, as long as Apple gets a good price? How significant is the impact on Apple?



    Whatever...
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  • Reply 83 of 94
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    Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post


    'Everyone has a price"? That's one of those often spouted, meaningless and totally indefensible non-sequiturs for selling bad book and movie plots. Fact time... Everyone can be a criminal, but the overwhelming majority aren't. Price is meaningless, and no matter how big the bribe, it's pretty difficult to enjoy thru bars in your 8x8 cell.



    Dude, I have a new blog hero to add to my list of good ones... and that's you! Great response.
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  • Reply 84 of 94
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post


    No, I didn't write it seriously, why?



    Where's the contradiction? What do Apple care which of their suppliers will get the deal with them, as long as Apple gets a good price? How significant is the impact on Apple?



    Whatever...



    Any competitive advantage of any kind harms Apple. There is no clean, simple scenario that isolates advantage to "one supplier against another." This is fortune-level amounts of money we're talking about.
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  • Reply 85 of 94
    drdoppiodrdoppio Posts: 1,132member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Goocher View Post


    Any competitive advantage of any kind harms Apple. There is no clean, simple scenario that isolates advantage of one supplier against another. This is fortune-level amounts of money we're talking about.



    Ok, sure. It is complicated and, whatever the effect, it is multiplied by millions. The possibility that Apple has suffered some loss exists, but is not a certainty. The may have gained by striking a deal with a supplier who, based on leaked info, offered lower prices than they would have otherwise.



    I still don't see the "glaring contradiction" in my post. But if you insist...
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  • Reply 86 of 94
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    Originally Posted by butnugtt View Post


    Apple can afford to underpay and still acquire/retain talent because many of those people want to work for Apple (as opposed to any other company) so much that they just settle for the lower income. Some of these people just want to be able to say they work for Apple when asked and being able to do so is worth whatever the delta is between what they're paid working for Apple versus whatever greater amount they could get paid working for a company that's not Apple.



    I'm sure you have all kinds of evidence to back up your lengthy claim. I'm sure this isn't just a long-winded rant. (I love it when people pass along this kind of knowledge like they're passing gas.)
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  • Reply 87 of 94
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    Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post


    I still don't see the "glaring contradiction" in my post. But if you insist...



    I see your point. Agreed, my apology.
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  • Reply 88 of 94
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    Originally Posted by Maximara View Post


    Nice Dick Tracy quote but in the real world crime too often does pay.



    Look at it this way: crime may sometimes pay, but is it worth the risk?



    Is it worth years of being the popular new b---h on a prison cell block?



    Is it worth NEVER being hired by anyone again once you're out? "Reason left last job: Fired and incarcerated for selling corporate secrets" just doesn't sound very compelling on a resume.



    This guy could've had a very rewarding and successful career, now he's gonna have nothing. Even if he's acquitted his career is going to be significantly harmed. Bottom line: No amount of money is worth the risk of being personally destroyed.
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  • Reply 89 of 94
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Another day of Corporate espionage and this guy's career is over.



    I'm quite pleased Apple let this play out to get as many networked connections involved as possible.
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  • Reply 90 of 94
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    This is definitely criminal action. No excuse for this.



    sad news
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  • Reply 91 of 94
    This will someday become a movie starring Matt Damon
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  • Reply 92 of 94
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by ncee View Post


    Except those who take the few minutes to think long and hard about what they are doing, or thinking of doing.



    i was in a positions on several occasions to pass along some drugs and I passed. When this was happening, I was handed an envelope with $1.000's of dollars in it (many thousands). All I had to do was leave my truck unlock and someone was going to put a package in the back. I was then going to make my regular deliveries and someone would take the package off of the truck. So I would have never touched the stuff, but was offered a ton of cash to do this.



    I sit down and look at the money, and then thought about my wife and kids, my life, my business and I said "No"!



    They didn't give up. A short while later I was offered even MORE money (yes the envelope was MUCH bigger). One more time I said thanks but no!



    Yes I offered wonder if I would have been caught, and even if so, what would I be charged with, and what did that mean ? 3 to 5!



    A year or so later, many of the people involved in this operation were busted, and all started squealing on each other, mothers, brothers, fathers, uncles ? 3-10!



    It's a interesting part of my life, and one I'm proud of.



    Oh, I wanted the money, and heaven knows I could have used it, but it wouldn't have been enough to get my family through for ? 3-5!



    Skip



    Your actions make me proud to be a part of the human race. You have every right to be proud. I have never been in your situation, but if ever I am, God help me to make the same strong choice that you did.
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  • Reply 93 of 94
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    I don't believe you. Unless those were amateurs, they would have picked a trucker who was in no position to refuse them. And if they picked you, they would have engineered things so that saying NO was a very, very difficult thing to do - much more difficult than saying yes.



    This story does not have any ring of truth to it. I know people who got caught up with Whitey Bulger in Southie - they were not given a yes/no choice. They were given a yes/move away/die choice.



    Sorry. You sound like a frustrated screen writer who needs to do more research.



    Not all criminals have a genius IQ. The mere fact that they are involved in a career choice that is considerably high risk and lowers the average life span for most participants should be proof of that. Do some research on the dumb things some crooks do, you'll see what I mean. My favorite is the one where a bank robber attempts to hold up a bank with a holdup note .... written on the back of a blank cheque .... from his own bank account. ..... didn't take long for the cops to "track him down".



    I suppose that, in a cynical mood, I might be tempted to share your opinion, but in a world that seems to grow more cynical and pessimistic by the day ... I think I prefer to take "ncee" at their word .... just my choice, that's all.
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  • Reply 94 of 94
    s8er01zs8er01z Posts: 144member
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    Originally Posted by sippincider View Post


    If convicted, prison time would be too good. Make him face Steve. In person.



    What threat exactly would a frail Steve Jobs be? Shame isn't going to have any impact on the guy..he has already proven he has none.
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