Hello, I'm a jailbreaker: Actor Justin Long demos hacked iPhone

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  • Reply 81 of 110
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bcs123 View Post


    I think Jobs is just responding to 'walled garden' complaints when he references Apples decision not to allow porn on the iTunes store. It's not holy than though, it's common business practice. You have millions of teenager with idevices, probably not gonna sell parents on many more with HD porn supplied by apple.



    While I understand that, the way he presented it was more of an attack on Google. I'm assuming from your response that we're talking about the same Q&A session.



    He could have made the response simple and said "No we still won't allow outside apps into the App Store." But instead he said (paraphrasing) "Go to Android. I hear they have porn." Yes, Android can load in third-party apps, but where was the word "porn" in the original question that was asked?



    Personally speaking, I believe he could have done without the last part.



    This is getting off topic, so this is the last I'm go into this.
  • Reply 82 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eightzero View Post


    I love comments like this. I own my car. Can I do what I want with it?



    And just because it carries no criminal consequence, doesn't imply carte blanche. My car came with a warranty, but if I intentionally crash it, I doubt the manufacturer will replace the drivetrain for free.



    When you buy an Apple product, it comes with certain strings. Don't like those strings? Well, you have alternatives.



    As your first sentence has an air of, "I am so much smarter than you." Yes, you can alter your car from how it rolls off the show floor. You can change the engine, change the tires, "pimp" it out, add hydraulics, pretty much do anything as long as it's still street legal according to your local laws. There is no warranty on a car saying you can't completely strip it and change everything and the warranty is still valid as long as DMV registers it, now the warranty may change depending on your alterations, but I would GUESS that can be negotiated with your dealer. And even if it does cancel parts of the warranty you can get coverage elsewhere.
  • Reply 83 of 110
    Justingate!
  • Reply 84 of 110
    onhkaonhka Posts: 1,025member
    Hey guys, I put Blackintosh on my ignore list, but unfortunately by responding to his idiotic comments I get to see them. Over and over again. Heck his name appears nearly 40 times here and one is to many.



    And to a more enjoyable opinion may I direct you to a blog posted today titled, "Rock ’Em, Sock ’Em Smartphones – iPhone Versus Android" by Kris Abel of CTV News Canada.



    http://www.krisabel.ctv.ca/post/Rock...s-Android.aspx
  • Reply 85 of 110
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post


    Porn is not banned from the iPad. Porn is not sold in the App Store. You have this thing called a web browser. Knowing how quickly the porn industry tends to move, I'd be willing to bet many of them have converted to HTML5 to allow Apple products to view them. You can still load whatever porn videos you want on the iPad as well. So, no, Apple isn't banning porn from the iPad at all.

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    In addition the combination of the 5 megapixel camera and iMovie software could be seen as encouragement to make your own.
  • Reply 86 of 110
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    Only problem I see with your analogy is that in this case, Apple does actually sell stuff that's optimized to view on that "TV". They just won't sell you anything related to porn.



    Wrong.



    Walmart sells TVs and computers. Walmart sells DVDs and computer programs (content). Walmart does not sell porn - and no one's whining about them. Walmart has the right to sell whatever products they choose.



    Similarly, Apple sells iPads. Apple sells videos (via iTunes) and apps. Apple does not sell porn. Apple has the right to sell whatever products they choose.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    I think the point he's trying to make is that Apple should lighten up on the cable accessories and let more third-party companies make them. They do it for cases and batteries, so why not a simple cable?



    Because so many cables are crap. A reputable vendor who meets Apple's standards can get a 'made for iPod' designation - and approval to sell it. They do have to pay license fees and royalties. Instead, there are a lot of hacks who sell junk without paying any royalties or license fees. Why in the world should Apple encourage them?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    Don't fit it... Isn't that a definition of elitism?



    No. It's a simple recognition that different people have different needs. If I need an 8 passenger vehicle, it's not elitist for Ferrari to say "we don't have anything for you". It's a recognition that my needs are not in their target audience. Or, you can turn it around. If I want a really fast, high performance car, it's not elitist for Hyundai to tell me I'm better off looking somewhere else.



    I guess the problem is that you don't understand what elitism is. Apparently, anyone who doesn't see the world through AsianBob colored glasses is elitist and not entitled to their opinion.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BartBuzz View Post


    Can anyone out there tell me why the "average" iPhone user wants to jailbreak? I can understand the computer nerds doing it but not Aunt Sue.



    It's all about a few hackers who like showing the world how cool they are.. The overwhelming majority of iPhone users have no reason to jailbreak.
  • Reply 87 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Onhka View Post


    Hey guys, I put Blackintosh on my ignore list, but unfortunately by responding to his idiotic comments I get to see them. Over and over again. Heck his name appears nearly 40 times here and one is to many.



    And to a more enjoyable opinion may I direct you to a blog posted today titled, "Rock ?Em, Sock ?Em Smartphones ? iPhone Versus Android" by Kris Abel of CTV News Canada.



    http://www.krisabel.ctv.ca/post/Rock...s-Android.aspx



    Hey Onhka! How ya doin? Who rules this forum? Who's your daddy? Me! That's who!
  • Reply 88 of 110
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post


    What would a hacker do if all of a sudden all computers become open and security non-existent? What would they do if there's nothing to hack anymore? They'd all be working at McDonalds or some other career...



    People especially Jailbreakers should thank Apple for being so restrictive.



    Was this sarcasm are you dwelling in a place so far from reality you were serious?



    I have a Macbook Pro. I can and do download software and content from the internet and have never had a security problem. Have you ever heard of something called Opensource or know the part it has played in OSX and software that runs on it?



    If Apple had been so restrictive with their computers, there wouldn't be an Apple today because no one would have bought any. Wake up.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    It?s safe to say his contract with Apple is over.



    You think Apple want his next client to be Microsoft? "Hi, I'm a PC. I used to be a Mac, but things have changed for the better..."



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cgc0202 View Post


    However, if just because you own your car, you cannot run it at 100mph in a residential area, nor drink and drive -- not only because one would be stupid to do so, but one's stupidity or lack of concern of others (and society in general) can do harm beyond your own person,



    Those caveats on the use of a car you just quoted are brilliant. Shoot yourself in the foot often? You don't do those things because they are against the general laws dictated by society, not the maker of the car. With a car, you are free to drive it where you choose, carry passengers of your choosing, purchase petrol from the vendor of your choosing, etc. If it had been made by Apple, you would be allowed to take it out of your garage, reverse it to the end of your driveway, drive it back into the garage, reverse it... And that's all. Take it onto an actual road and you would instantly void your warranty. You would only be allowed to carry Apple approved passengers in your exhilarating trips, up and down your driveway, fueled by an Apple branded petrol tanker that had t o come to you. Your car would then be filled up with Apple branded petrol, sold to you at a special Apple price, using a $6000 fuel filler adapter that didn't come with the car and had to be purchased separately.



    I love your car analogy. Many thanks, I could have fun with this all day.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimcord View Post


    Not everyone wants to live in the world you are choosing. If you want or need porn everywhere you go on all of your devices, then get a frigging google phone! We the original apple fan folks never wanted people like you among us anyway! The true problem with success.......it often attracts the wrong element of fans! I knew things were going to shit when they sold the iPhone at Walmart- it allowed you to become a owner. That sucks for us.



    You missed your milieu, poor thing, Victorian snobbery would have suited you to a T.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    This is a classic AI post.



    You're leaving and your never coming back? Wow. Adam is never coming back. He's really had enough. The AI forum has gotten sooo bad that even Adam has had enough. He must really mean it this time.



    Adam, you will be back. They all come back. Where else can you come to a place with such a suspension of disbelief and get away with it? Only here are glass iPhones, mirrored iMac monitors and flashless iPads embraced and defended to the death? No place else on earth, that's where.



    Post of the month, I salute you.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post


    Please do not worship me. I am not worthy. The proper place for your prayer is in Steve Job's walled garden.



    Second place for post of the month, keep it up.
  • Reply 89 of 110
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post


    Jailbreakers jailbreak for the fun and the challenge of it.





    No, they do it to steal.
  • Reply 90 of 110
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by geekdad View Post


    I was with you until you got to the analogy part....

    Comparing jail breaking your phone to going 100MPH in residential area or drinking and driving is just wrong......that is not any comparison at all.....

    Its more like buying a new car then putting after market performance enhancements. It might void your warranty but it is perfectly legal. the car company has no obligation to fix or repair the improvements you made but they will repair anything you have not improved/enhanced......



    He has a point in a way that owning something still does not mean there are no rules that apply to how you use what you own.



    However, in iOS case rules are a bit ridiculous (from my point of view), so car analogy would be more like buying a car that you cannot drive over 30kph because manufacturer feels it would not be safe if you get involved in an accident at higher speeds.



    Apple rules are just too much draconian, imho. I know Apple always have an explanation, but so do most recent dictators for limiting their people freedom. Not my cup of tea, it seems.
  • Reply 91 of 110
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eightzero View Post


    I love comments like this. I own my car. Can I do what I want with it?



    You should be able to, as long as you are not endangering lives and property. Using software you want on your iPhone is more like using whatever custom audio in your car, than driving your car at ridiculous speeds.
  • Reply 92 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post


    Why, yes, yes you can. It might void your warranty, but that isn't the point. At all. Remotely.







    And the manufacturer is free to make that decision. But, if they told you to only use their brand of gas or if they voided your warranty for using another service centre, you might feel they are being a little heavy handed. You would be free to do so, as long as you understood the consequences.





    Or, alternatively, use it how you actually choose to use it. It might void your warranty, but that is the consequence of your choice. This really isn't about the warranty. Fo you honestly think Long was concerned about the warranty when he JB'ed his phone? really?



    yes you can????? go on so... update the ECU with something you downloaded from somewhere else.

    Install a diff from a mini into a ferrari with ease. reprogram the airbag sensors. go on , please, do it. and tell me how you did it here. i'd love to hear how you cross-graded an ECU Firmware.



    and dont compare gas to software, thats dumb. the closest comparison might be that an iphone charges off the same electricity as your nokia/motorola/brand X



    honestly !!!!



    mines bigger anyway !
  • Reply 93 of 110
    You should be able to what you want to your iPhone or computer and Apple has the right to deny you warranty. I am willing to live with this. I travel to Europe several times a year and I always bring my iPhone and an unlocked SONY phone so i can use my Orange Sim card to have a local phone number.

    Now because of the recent jailbreak decision I have unlocked my iPhone 3GS with no problems and I am a happy camper. I really don't care about all the extra SW but I do want freedom to take the phone I paid for to any carrier if I feel like it. AT&T let me unlock the SONY with no questions asked, but try to that for the iPhone, So F***U Apple and ATT.
  • Reply 94 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    No, they do it to steal.



    Sure they use Cydia to get apps not available through the App Store. But from what I gather, most of those apps do things the iPhone had the capability of doing, but Apple never implemented it.



    So I ask: is it stealing if the feature wasn't there to begin with?
  • Reply 95 of 110
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    No, they do it to steal.



    Did you read the article this thread is based on? The phone was jailbroken to enable a feature Apple prevent. That is not stealing, neither is doing it to enable a wider choice of txt message tones, to enable tethering, better facilitate the use of the phone when traveling overseas or enabling the use of a volume key as a shutter button for the camera.
  • Reply 96 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Wrong.



    Walmart sells TVs and computers. Walmart sells DVDs and computer programs (content). Walmart does not sell porn - and no one's whining about them. Walmart has the right to sell whatever products they choose.



    Similarly, Apple sells iPads. Apple sells videos (via iTunes) and apps. Apple does not sell porn. Apple has the right to sell whatever products they choose.



    As I have said in the post before your reply, I gave it a second thought and I agree with you analogy. No need to get your panties in a bunch.



    I have no objections to Apple selling what it wants. I just have a slight issue with Steve Jobs trying to pass off Android allowing a developer to start a porn store as something morally wrong (probably not the best choice of words, but along those lines).



    Quote:

    Because so many cables are crap. A reputable vendor who meets Apple's standards can get a 'made for iPod' designation - and approval to sell it. They do have to pay license fees and royalties. Instead, there are a lot of hacks who sell junk without paying any royalties or license fees. Why in the world should Apple encourage them?



    Again, a misunderstanding of what was being posted.



    Quote:

    No. It's a simple recognition that different people have different needs. If I need an 8 passenger vehicle, it's not elitist for Ferrari to say "we don't have anything for you". It's a recognition that my needs are not in their target audience. Or, you can turn it around. If I want a really fast, high performance car, it's not elitist for Hyundai to tell me I'm better off looking somewhere else.



    I guess the problem is that you don't understand what elitism is. Apparently, anyone who doesn't see the world through AsianBob colored glasses is elitist and not entitled to their opinion.



    That's all fine. You could also see it as Ferrari being one of the elite of the performance car manufacturers and scoffing at you for even bothering to ask them for the 8 passenger vehicle (what they might consider junk) in the first place. Chances are I just read into what you said wrong. Your choice of using "you don't belong" gives off the feeling of elitism, especially considering the standing Apple products are given.



    Since when did I say that no one else is entitled to their own opinion? It's just as equal that I can say that anyone who doesn't see the world through jragosta colored glasses isn't entitled to their opinion. In all my posts here, I have never once stated that my opinion is the only opinion and demanded that everyone see it my way. Your opinion is yours and mine is mine.





    Chances are you're going to reply to this post with guns blazing going "wrong wrong wrong". If you do, I urge you to read your last sentence.
  • Reply 97 of 110
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post


    Install what you want! Apple doesn't want it to become standard practice nor do they want to support it. Do you really think they are responsible for a device that doesn't have "standard" software on it?







    That's what I try to tell those people who insist on putting third-party software on their Macs.
  • Reply 98 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post


    Post of the month, I salute you. Second place for post of the month, keep it up.



    Thank you for your support. I always felt I was ready to lead.
  • Reply 99 of 110
    ssquirrelssquirrel Posts: 1,196member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by newbee View Post


    Not sure why you took it that way ..... I never took it that way at all.



    “we do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone.” Better, is what he said next: “Folks who want porn can buy and [sic] Android phone.“



    "You know, there’s a porn store for Android. You can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That’s a place we don’t want to go – so we’re not going to go there."



    http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/19/ste...-android-porn/





    I dunno, I could see how people might take those quotes in that light. When you mention you believe you have a moral responsibility to avoid it and then refer to one of your competitors as a source, it could well imply you believe your competitors have no morals, thus making you better than them.



    * Note, I don't really buy the holier than thou bit, but I can see how people would arrive at that opinion form the quotes.
  • Reply 100 of 110
    aiaddictaiaddict Posts: 487member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    No, they do it to steal.



    I should sue you for defamation. That is blatantly false and you are well aware it is a lie. What YOU are doing is illegal and you and AI should be held accountable.



    AppleInsider, please ban this guy for obvious and oft repeated libel. It is illegal and unacceptable.
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