Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
Ah yes, whatever happened to that Underdog that actually listed to it's users?
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Originally Posted by Booga
Yes, because Windows and iPod were SO open compared to Linux. Why doesn't Linux run on every desktop in the world? Because consumers don't care about openness. They want value, utility, and entertainment. Android is looking like it will be a reasonable contender, but nothing is inevitable.
Oh yes and people do care about value, utility, and entertainment. No doubt. However, when Dell did a survey for what people wanted on their systems, they said "Linux." Then Dell gave them Linux.
I hate rebates, but that is how rebates work. You pay for something upfront, then send the request for the money back. Some stores like Best Buy invoke instant rebates, but that just means they will be the ones requesting the funds from the company. You're still getting an iPod for free in the long run, so what's the issue?
The solution to this problem would be to outlaw use of the word 'free' in conjunction with the phrase "after rebate". After all, if you have to apply for a rebate, you don't have the money for the time it takes you to get it, so it's not really free, even after the rebate, assuming you actually get it.
* I'd love to have a Linux based tablet computer for the same reasons that I have both Msc and Linix machines at home. That would be to leverage the strengths of each platform.
And exactly what would those strengths be, relative to tablets?
The only strength that Linux has is that it's a cheap, robust server platform. (Or a cheap cable box platform.) Linux has no strengths at all as a personal OS.
You haven't made a point. You said iOS is controlled by Jobs and your evidence was some rant about rappers and shoes and AMERICANS SUCK(!!!) and some unrelated story about Jobs not getting a seat at a restaurant. If you'd like to make a point then we can debate.
Who want's to debate with Trolls? You'd have to learn trollish?
like samsung products, but dang, somebody needs to show those guys how to do an user interface that is intuitive and also hire someone who understands english to write manuals!!
As others have pointed out, many Android sales have been on the high-end. But it's going to be interesting when "cheap and good enough" devices start filling the shelves in Best Buy and Wal-Mart.
Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
Even at 20% they'll still be raking in more than the competition. Hundreds of tablets will be competing for the 80%.
I have no doubt that Android will eventually win a lot of customers. Maybe the most. They will imitate Apple. Apple will not imitate. Next will be the new Apple TV.
Remember all the iPod killers? No, neither do I. Just a lot of vague flailing about.
Why all the fuss? Have you ever heard Apple wishing about being number one in market share?
They talk about love, humanity]
If there is one take-away point form the whole mediaGATE thing about the iP4, it is that Steve loves each and every one of us Apple customers. Deeply and truly.
I'm not sure Android buyers are very sharp. Listened to one fellow who gave up on his iPhone waiting for AT&T to fix the reception in his apartment. I wonder if he ever *told* AT&T about his reception problems. To seal the deal, he's probably an officer in S.N.A.F.U. (an anti-mobile phone antenna NGO), too...
That is all the evidence anyone could need. It proves that Android buyers are not very sharp.
[QUOTE=shadash;1700850 Normal folks buy the computer they think will work the best at the best price, not the one they think will save their souls.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but they miss the great User Experience that Steve gives us. It makes up for everything.
Macs are NOT about specs or anything geeky. They are all about satisfaction.
So what you are saying is, that in a country with zero Apple stores, all the stores that sell Apple stuff are idiots? Maybe you should notify Apple of this issue so they can solve this issue at once!!!
Steve loves his users enough that he built 300 stores for us. He did it for our convenience and because he wanted Apple to give stuff to its customers. I'm not sure that he can do it for the whole world. Not even Steve can save the whole world.
Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
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Exactly correct. They make a LOT more money from each item sold than any other hardware manufacturer. Their profits per customer are the envy of the industry.
When we buy Apple products, we are helping Steve to bring us better stuff, and the more we pay, the faster and better it happens.
We don't care if anybody else buys this stuff - as consumers, all we care about is that Apple continues to make enough large profits, so we buy their stuff, and we can continue to buy better and better Apple stuff.
Low quality hardware? What world are you living in? The Evo, Incredible, Droid X and Droid 2 can match the iPhone and in many cases beat it hardware wise. My Evo running 2.2 is far faster then the iPhone and that can not be debated.
In what? The screen? No. The camera? No. Build quality? Don't make me laugh. Storage? Nopes. Thinness? Sorry, no. Speed? Hell no. Froyo might have made things even, but that's it. Not about the battery either.
So please tell me where Android phones beat the iPhone. Please.
but before long they will have a $199 16 GB WiFi only version of the iPad.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
No they won't. Probably won't ever go below $499 except with education etc discounts (if they ever decide to do those. Rumor has it not even their employees get a discount on the ipad)
What they will do is just keep adding to the specs. So eventually you might have a $499 128 GB wifi with 3g with a processor that is 4 times the current and 4 times the ram in the current models.
I Disagree!
The iPad is different than anything that Apple has done before.
The closest thing was the original 1984 Mac.
But this time, Apple is approaching the market differently.
I believe that Apple wants to Totally Dominate this market segment and will do whatever inecessary to do so.
Because of ramped-up production, supply constraints on the iPad are easing-- there are several ways to keep the momentum:
-- Offer the iPad in new domestic and world-wide markets.
-- Focus on new market segments: Automotive; Education; Enterprise; Small Business; Security / Home Control; Personal TV
-- Offer multiple models tailored to different uses
-- Introduce multiple hardware releases per year instead of annually
-- Prepay / reserve large quantities of components, Fab and production facilities
-- Maintain a cost umbrella vs the competition
-- Pursue IP advantages
-- Cross-license iOS, hardware and IP
-- Reduce prices / Profit Margins
I believe that all of these things are on the table at Apple-- their market advantage is too important to allow to dissipate!
If anyone needs the history lesson, the combo that won the desktop was 1 ) cheap commodity hardware, 2) Windows 3.1, and 3) DOOM.
Dishonorable mention goes to Windows 95 and IE...
Of course DOOM wasn't released until late 1993, and that was as DOS shareware. Microsoft already had ridiculous marketshare before DOOM came out. They cleared 90% early in 1993. While DOOM being free certainly helped spread it across PC gaming, a Mac version was released in late 1994.
The DOS/Windows world had been conquered long before DOOM tho, thanks to business software and people buying what they used at work. The gaming market is a much smaller portion of the pc market and always has been.
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Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
Ah yes, whatever happened to that Underdog that actually listed to it's users?
Yes, because Windows and iPod were SO open compared to Linux. Why doesn't Linux run on every desktop in the world? Because consumers don't care about openness. They want value, utility, and entertainment. Android is looking like it will be a reasonable contender, but nothing is inevitable.
Oh yes and people do care about value, utility, and entertainment. No doubt. However, when Dell did a survey for what people wanted on their systems, they said "Linux." Then Dell gave them Linux.
If you don't have a product, sell the FUD.
Worked well for MS for years.
...and for Sony Computer Entertainment at least once.
I hate rebates, but that is how rebates work. You pay for something upfront, then send the request for the money back. Some stores like Best Buy invoke instant rebates, but that just means they will be the ones requesting the funds from the company. You're still getting an iPod for free in the long run, so what's the issue?
The solution to this problem would be to outlaw use of the word 'free' in conjunction with the phrase "after rebate". After all, if you have to apply for a rebate, you don't have the money for the time it takes you to get it, so it's not really free, even after the rebate, assuming you actually get it.
We all benefit from competition
Competition is good, well for us users anyway.
Well, that's the common wisdom, but not a universal truth by any means.
I've never operated an HP PC in my life but that doesn't surprise me. HP has become the Samsung of the PC industry.
Well, that's a real insult to Samsung.
* I'd love to have a Linux based tablet computer for the same reasons that I have both Msc and Linix machines at home. That would be to leverage the strengths of each platform.
And exactly what would those strengths be, relative to tablets?
The only strength that Linux has is that it's a cheap, robust server platform. (Or a cheap cable box platform.) Linux has no strengths at all as a personal OS.
You haven't made a point. You said iOS is controlled by Jobs and your evidence was some rant about rappers and shoes and AMERICANS SUCK(!!!) and some unrelated story about Jobs not getting a seat at a restaurant. If you'd like to make a point then we can debate.
Who want's to debate with Trolls? You'd have to learn trollish?
First lesson:
rant, rant, rant, ....
Second lesson:
repeat the first lesson
etc.
Well, that's a real insult to Samsung.
like samsung products, but dang, somebody needs to show those guys how to do an user interface that is intuitive and also hire someone who understands english to write manuals!!
As others have pointed out, many Android sales have been on the high-end. But it's going to be interesting when "cheap and good enough" devices start filling the shelves in Best Buy and Wal-Mart.
IMO, nobody but Apple has good taste.
Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
Even at 20% they'll still be raking in more than the competition. Hundreds of tablets will be competing for the 80%.
I have no doubt that Android will eventually win a lot of customers. Maybe the most. They will imitate Apple. Apple will not imitate. Next will be the new Apple TV.
Remember all the iPod killers? No, neither do I. Just a lot of vague flailing about.
Why all the fuss? Have you ever heard Apple wishing about being number one in market share?
They talk about love, humanity]
If there is one take-away point form the whole mediaGATE thing about the iP4, it is that Steve loves each and every one of us Apple customers. Deeply and truly.
I'm not sure Android buyers are very sharp. Listened to one fellow who gave up on his iPhone waiting for AT&T to fix the reception in his apartment. I wonder if he ever *told* AT&T about his reception problems. To seal the deal, he's probably an officer in S.N.A.F.U. (an anti-mobile phone antenna NGO), too...
That is all the evidence anyone could need. It proves that Android buyers are not very sharp.
Yeah, but they miss the great User Experience that Steve gives us. It makes up for everything.
Macs are NOT about specs or anything geeky. They are all about satisfaction.
So what you are saying is, that in a country with zero Apple stores, all the stores that sell Apple stuff are idiots? Maybe you should notify Apple of this issue so they can solve this issue at once!!!
Steve loves his users enough that he built 300 stores for us. He did it for our convenience and because he wanted Apple to give stuff to its customers. I'm not sure that he can do it for the whole world. Not even Steve can save the whole world.
Apple stopped caring about marketshare a long time ago. They measure success by profit.
.
Exactly correct. They make a LOT more money from each item sold than any other hardware manufacturer. Their profits per customer are the envy of the industry.
When we buy Apple products, we are helping Steve to bring us better stuff, and the more we pay, the faster and better it happens.
We don't care if anybody else buys this stuff - as consumers, all we care about is that Apple continues to make enough large profits, so we buy their stuff, and we can continue to buy better and better Apple stuff.
Low quality hardware? What world are you living in? The Evo, Incredible, Droid X and Droid 2 can match the iPhone and in many cases beat it hardware wise. My Evo running 2.2 is far faster then the iPhone and that can not be debated.
In what? The screen? No. The camera? No. Build quality? Don't make me laugh. Storage? Nopes. Thinness? Sorry, no. Speed? Hell no. Froyo might have made things even, but that's it. Not about the battery either.
So please tell me where Android phones beat the iPhone. Please.
but before long they will have a $199 16 GB WiFi only version of the iPad.
No they won't. Probably won't ever go below $499 except with education etc discounts (if they ever decide to do those. Rumor has it not even their employees get a discount on the ipad)
What they will do is just keep adding to the specs. So eventually you might have a $499 128 GB wifi with 3g with a processor that is 4 times the current and 4 times the ram in the current models.
I Disagree!
The iPad is different than anything that Apple has done before.
The closest thing was the original 1984 Mac.
But this time, Apple is approaching the market differently.
I believe that Apple wants to Totally Dominate this market segment and will do whatever inecessary to do so.
Because of ramped-up production, supply constraints on the iPad are easing-- there are several ways to keep the momentum:
-- Offer the iPad in new domestic and world-wide markets.
-- Focus on new market segments: Automotive; Education; Enterprise; Small Business; Security / Home Control; Personal TV
-- Offer multiple models tailored to different uses
-- Introduce multiple hardware releases per year instead of annually
-- Prepay / reserve large quantities of components, Fab and production facilities
-- Maintain a cost umbrella vs the competition
-- Pursue IP advantages
-- Cross-license iOS, hardware and IP
-- Reduce prices / Profit Margins
I believe that all of these things are on the table at Apple-- their market advantage is too important to allow to dissipate!
.
If anyone needs the history lesson, the combo that won the desktop was 1 ) cheap commodity hardware, 2) Windows 3.1, and 3) DOOM.
Dishonorable mention goes to Windows 95 and IE...
Of course DOOM wasn't released until late 1993, and that was as DOS shareware. Microsoft already had ridiculous marketshare before DOOM came out. They cleared 90% early in 1993. While DOOM being free certainly helped spread it across PC gaming, a Mac version was released in late 1994.
The DOS/Windows world had been conquered long before DOOM tho, thanks to business software and people buying what they used at work. The gaming market is a much smaller portion of the pc market and always has been.
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iPhoneOS - 58%
RIM - 18%
Android - 4 %
Aug 2010
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iPhoneOS - 38%
RIM - 31%
Android - 17 %
Hm. Hey Steve, there's something going on here. Maybe it's time to sue someone.
Aug 2009
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iPhoneOS - 58%
RIM - 18%
Android - 4 %
Aug 2010
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iPhoneOS - 38%
RIM - 31%
Android - 17 %
Hm. Hey Steve, there's something going on here. Maybe it's time to sue someone.
Source? US or worldwide?
Worldwide:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/23/sma...-2009-gartner/
US:
http://theappleblog.com/2009/12/17/i...-market-share/
RIM and Symbian have both been larger than iPhone and still are. iPhone has never been ahead of RIM.