I'm not seeing it. When Acer and LG come out with their models, thay will certainly take some market share away from Apple. But then Apple has 100% of the market. Competition will look to capitalize on the shortcomings of the iPad and it's iOS operating system. But the shortcomings also contribute to instant on and extremely long battery life. The more they make their model more like a PC, the shorter the battery life and longer the start up times. As well as possibly heavier devices. Just like there are Apple fanatics, there are Windows fanatics. So good for them that they will have their own device. It still won'd be an iPad. Just like Droid is not an iPhone.
Couldn't agree more about iOS4... Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
Perhaps you protest too much, eh? With your little mini-rant full of petulance... have you got a point regarding the iOS?
Apple chose to be the malware/virus security gatekeeper. I appreciate it; what's your problem with that? Apple chose to get not allow Google Voice to protect it's partner AT&T from "free" phone calls (I don't like it but...), what's wrong with that?
I could keep going on, but hopefully, you get the point... Apple chose it's path and you choose to buy-in or not (and you can be a developer).
So if Ballmer and his OEMs had actually come to market with their slate would Acer have been singing the same tune about proprietary systems? Not likely. The definition of open-systems would have been different. On Windows open means multiple manufacturers. On Linux it means open access to the OS APIs for OEM customization. Any way you slice it someone will say Apple is closed even though developers have been invited to the party to make apps and profit off of them.
i doubt if anyone is doing what steve jobs wants them to do except for his employees. and if the board goes along with steve's ideas regarding what should or shouldn't be allowed on their product then so what? like you don't have an option? you do, get an android device.
Indeed.
And you have another option: you can legally jail-break your device.
This is a perfect solution that Apple has provided: if you want to be a tinkerer, then the first step you have to take is one that is clearly tinkering and unsupported by Apple. You are, in essence, declaring your intent to take control as well as responsibility for the results. If you want to play it safe, buy the product and just use it.
Why is this solution not tickling the fancy of both crowds?
They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.
But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.
Right, and what OS have they created? What silicon have they designed? They are the second largest computer assembler in the world. I imagine they make a lot of money but what have they created? Even their netbooks are actually manufactured by another company.
that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
Enterprises who want to develop apps for their own use are supported by Apple:
So giving away stuff for free makes for good customer service? Sounds great to me. How can I get in on this free stuff? When I walk into the Apple store I get a really good price. FULL PRICE.
In case you haven't noticed, this thread is about tablets.
What other tablets are available that compare favorably to the iPad in terms of price and performance?
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Okay, let's be honest amongst ourselves in the forum. Apple hardware costs more than other manufacturers hardware. It may be worth it, it may not. But it is a truism.
You need to be more specific than that. Some apple hardware costs more than the competition, particularly some of the computers. But other offerings are fairly competitive. Again, since this topic is about tablets, what tablets are a better deal than the ipad?
... Android is looking like it will be a reasonable contender, but nothing is inevitable.
The Oracle lawsuit has merit, Fragdroid uses a rip-off of Java that violates the licensing agreement, and Fragdroid software, all of it, will be "impounded and destroyed."
And don't forget that Sergey Brin himself said that Chrome OS is the future of Google's OS development. At this year's Google I/O conference. Why would any software developer bother with Fragdroid after the 1-2 punch of the Oracle lawsuit and Google top brass saying that they're already working on a new OS? (Unless said developer is so philosophically challenged that he refuses to program for iOS...)
Okay, let's be honest amongst ourselves in the forum. Apple hardware costs more than other manufacturers hardware. It may be worth it, it may not. But it is a truism.
Costing more to buy and costing more to own are two different things altogether .... not that I'd expect you to understand this concept. You haven't seemed to have understood anything yet.
So yes, I agree that apples market share will eventually drop in the tablet market. But formsimplicitys sake, it won't drop as low as 20%.
correct. if we define the tablet market as excluding "slates" running any desktop OS, i'd expect Apple to hold about 50% of the market for the next several years once all the competition finally has mature products to offer - which is as far as anyone can see these days with tech evolving so fast.
the big difference here is that the telcos are not as important. wifi only is good enough for many. for the rest, a la cart data only plans could become widely available. we will see if Apple "unlocks" the iPad, but right now the AT&T plan is a good deal for most. and you can add VOIP since the iPad DOES have a microphone (why else is it there?).
the competing OEM's will hook up with telcos to try the same "subsidized" low up-front price with two year contract business model as smartphones. but this will hit some real market resistance. people are unhappy with always-increasing monthly bills for their phone and cable services, and all the extra fees that keep getting tacked on. so $100 up front + $40 per month ain't such a great deal for many. and the Android fragmentation issue will quickly impact these products too. do my smartphone apps work on my tablet? um, often not. plus the telco crapware and service lock-ins.
when Apple releases iPad 2 early next year, it will likely keep iPad 1 on the market for $100 less than now. just like it does with last year's iPhone models. there is also the rumored 7" iPad which also would have an even lower price point. so Apple will be reasonably competitive on price overall.
and this all assumes the competition's products are as good as iPad 2 running iOS 5 next year, which is when they will finally all be ready for sale. and what are the odds of that?
The reason mr. Acer and mr. LG are talking big these days is actually because their money people are worried that, like the iPod, the tablet train has already left the station with Apple in the driver's seat - and they ain't on it.
He doesn't even say if he has an answer to Apple powerful media and productivity ecosystem.
I just got the ipad 16 gig wifi +3G and it is by far one of the best tech devices I have ever owned. I bought Pages last week and it is a brilliant piece of software. I'll be getting Keynote and Numbers when I get paid this Friday. Please, Acer can kiss my a**.
Wang is from a company that said that they would not enter the tablet market presumably because they thought the iPad would not succeed. Now Acer is planning to enter the space. Talk is cheap, but action and an actual product take more effort. Acer can say what they like, Apple has a product that customers want, Acer has pure vaporware.
Who cares. For all that volume, they make, sadly, an annual profit of of ~US$350 million across the whole company.
I'll venture a guess that the iPad alone makes a much larger profit than that (If we assume, say, 5 million iPads will be sold this year, at an average price of $600, with a profit margin of 20% - Apple's average - that's $600 million in net income).
Make that 15 million iPads sold this year for a $1.8 - $2 billion profit. The ramp up is to 2.5 million a month and is almost met. They've already sold 5 million iPads.
Will sell 30 million in 2011 and 50 million in 2012 for a total of at least 100 million by 2013. No other manufacturer will come close.
And you have another option: you can legally jail-break your device.
This is a perfect solution that Apple has provided: if you want to be a tinkerer, then the first step you have to take is one that is clearly tinkering and unsupported by Apple. You are, in essence, declaring your intent to take control as well as responsibility for the results. If you want to play it safe, buy the product and just use it.
Why is this solution not tickling the fancy of both crowds?
Thompson
Very well said. I couldn't agree more - if you want to tinker, do so at your own risk.
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Couldn't agree more about iOS4... Ohhh, Ahhh, I want a pair of hundred dollar sneakers made in a sweatshop! I'm an American and I want it! NOW!!
No. I'm absolutely right about iOS4 and it's master. And all of you would be the first to give me a "totally agree" or a "spot on" if you were not bloated on Apple pie.
Perhaps you protest too much, eh? With your little mini-rant full of petulance... have you got a point regarding the iOS?
Apple chose to be the malware/virus security gatekeeper. I appreciate it; what's your problem with that? Apple chose to get not allow Google Voice to protect it's partner AT&T from "free" phone calls (I don't like it but...), what's wrong with that?
I could keep going on, but hopefully, you get the point... Apple chose it's path and you choose to buy-in or not (and you can be a developer).
They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.
But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.
Acer endured the global market and had a banner year in 2009 with 17.9 BILLION in Sales.
Now Apple ONLY did, 15.7 BILLION in the 3rd quarter or about 40 BILLION for the year ? right?
Now my math sucks but I believe that's 2 times more more then Acer?
Acer and others won't exist if Apple had a bigger market share, or they would be in 2nd, 3rd or what ever place in the standing.
I'd be very happy to be the 7th, 8, 13th largest computer company, if it meant, being Apple
I'm just saying*? I'd be ok with that.
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i doubt if anyone is doing what steve jobs wants them to do except for his employees. and if the board goes along with steve's ideas regarding what should or shouldn't be allowed on their product then so what? like you don't have an option? you do, get an android device.
Indeed.
And you have another option: you can legally jail-break your device.
This is a perfect solution that Apple has provided: if you want to be a tinkerer, then the first step you have to take is one that is clearly tinkering and unsupported by Apple. You are, in essence, declaring your intent to take control as well as responsibility for the results. If you want to play it safe, buy the product and just use it.
Why is this solution not tickling the fancy of both crowds?
Thompson
They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.
But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.
Right, and what OS have they created? What silicon have they designed? They are the second largest computer assembler in the world. I imagine they make a lot of money but what have they created? Even their netbooks are actually manufactured by another company.
that is a fair point...but may i also point out that many Enterprises create apps for their mobile devices (as well as pc's) and having a closed platform like iOS is limiting.
Enterprises who want to develop apps for their own use are supported by Apple:
http://developer.apple.com/programs/iphone/enterprise/
Did you even bother googling before making your pronouncement?
So giving away stuff for free makes for good customer service? Sounds great to me. How can I get in on this free stuff? When I walk into the Apple store I get a really good price. FULL PRICE.
In case you haven't noticed, this thread is about tablets.
What other tablets are available that compare favorably to the iPad in terms of price and performance?
Okay, let's be honest amongst ourselves in the forum. Apple hardware costs more than other manufacturers hardware. It may be worth it, it may not. But it is a truism.
You need to be more specific than that. Some apple hardware costs more than the competition, particularly some of the computers. But other offerings are fairly competitive. Again, since this topic is about tablets, what tablets are a better deal than the ipad?
And that is why I say your belly is full of Apple pie. You pay too much and you LIKE it.
From your postings, I'd have to say you're full of something too .... but it ain't Apple pie.
... Android is looking like it will be a reasonable contender, but nothing is inevitable.
The Oracle lawsuit has merit, Fragdroid uses a rip-off of Java that violates the licensing agreement, and Fragdroid software, all of it, will be "impounded and destroyed."
And don't forget that Sergey Brin himself said that Chrome OS is the future of Google's OS development. At this year's Google I/O conference. Why would any software developer bother with Fragdroid after the 1-2 punch of the Oracle lawsuit and Google top brass saying that they're already working on a new OS? (Unless said developer is so philosophically challenged that he refuses to program for iOS...)
Just because Acer blsws away Apple in sales in every single category they compete in is irrelevant.
You're saying acer sells more smartphones, tablets, and mp3 players than Apple?
I'd really love to see the numbers backing that up.
Okay, let's be honest amongst ourselves in the forum. Apple hardware costs more than other manufacturers hardware. It may be worth it, it may not. But it is a truism.
Costing more to buy and costing more to own are two different things altogether .... not that I'd expect you to understand this concept. You haven't seemed to have understood anything yet.
So yes, I agree that apples market share will eventually drop in the tablet market. But formsimplicitys sake, it won't drop as low as 20%.
correct. if we define the tablet market as excluding "slates" running any desktop OS, i'd expect Apple to hold about 50% of the market for the next several years once all the competition finally has mature products to offer - which is as far as anyone can see these days with tech evolving so fast.
the big difference here is that the telcos are not as important. wifi only is good enough for many. for the rest, a la cart data only plans could become widely available. we will see if Apple "unlocks" the iPad, but right now the AT&T plan is a good deal for most. and you can add VOIP since the iPad DOES have a microphone (why else is it there?).
the competing OEM's will hook up with telcos to try the same "subsidized" low up-front price with two year contract business model as smartphones. but this will hit some real market resistance. people are unhappy with always-increasing monthly bills for their phone and cable services, and all the extra fees that keep getting tacked on. so $100 up front + $40 per month ain't such a great deal for many. and the Android fragmentation issue will quickly impact these products too. do my smartphone apps work on my tablet? um, often not. plus the telco crapware and service lock-ins.
when Apple releases iPad 2 early next year, it will likely keep iPad 1 on the market for $100 less than now. just like it does with last year's iPhone models. there is also the rumored 7" iPad which also would have an even lower price point. so Apple will be reasonably competitive on price overall.
and this all assumes the competition's products are as good as iPad 2 running iOS 5 next year, which is when they will finally all be ready for sale. and what are the odds of that?
The reason mr. Acer and mr. LG are talking big these days is actually because their money people are worried that, like the iPod, the tablet train has already left the station with Apple in the driver's seat - and they ain't on it.
He doesn't even say if he has an answer to Apple powerful media and productivity ecosystem.
I just got the ipad 16 gig wifi +3G and it is by far one of the best tech devices I have ever owned. I bought Pages last week and it is a brilliant piece of software. I'll be getting Keynote and Numbers when I get paid this Friday. Please, Acer can kiss my a**.
They are the second-largest computer company in the world. Their unit shipments dwarf those of Apple.
But all we care about is Apple, so it is easy to miss what is going on in the world around us.
Maybe, but not their profit margins.
Who cares. For all that volume, they make, sadly, an annual profit of of ~US$350 million across the whole company.
I'll venture a guess that the iPad alone makes a much larger profit than that (If we assume, say, 5 million iPads will be sold this year, at an average price of $600, with a profit margin of 20% - Apple's average - that's $600 million in net income).
Make that 15 million iPads sold this year for a $1.8 - $2 billion profit. The ramp up is to 2.5 million a month and is almost met. They've already sold 5 million iPads.
Will sell 30 million in 2011 and 50 million in 2012 for a total of at least 100 million by 2013.
Indeed.
And you have another option: you can legally jail-break your device.
This is a perfect solution that Apple has provided: if you want to be a tinkerer, then the first step you have to take is one that is clearly tinkering and unsupported by Apple. You are, in essence, declaring your intent to take control as well as responsibility for the results. If you want to play it safe, buy the product and just use it.
Why is this solution not tickling the fancy of both crowds?
Thompson
Very well said. I couldn't agree more - if you want to tinker, do so at your own risk.