It's amazing how wrong and arrogant Blackintosh is. This sort of mental disconnect and hatred for a company has to be Teckstud.
Just reply to the points I made and stop dismissing me by calling me Teckstud. I am not him. I am me, and there is only one me. And I ain't wrong.
You called me arrogant. That's name calling. I'm going to....oh wait. I got a message from the moderator. I'm not allowed to call anyone else out for name calling. He said that just childish one liners clearly designed to get people's back up.
Sooo, go ahead and call me names then, I guess. I must follow the rules here, even though they don't seem to apply to you. Can't get any more points or else I will be banned!!
1: The product recall was MacWorld's idea. So I guess they don't understand either. Only you do.
2: I understand enough about cellular technology to understand no carrier is everywhere and the best shot people have to get a signal is to use the carrier that is strongest where they live.
Can you see even the tiniest bit of logic in my words? Any little bit? Am I right on any level? ANY??
If MacWorld thought a recall was in order, then indeed they don't understand what a product recall is for.
Product recall is usually reserved for products that have safety issues. The antenna problem, as annoying as it could be for some, doesn't count as safety hazard.
Even if it's serious enough for some that it can't be used, since the problem was discovered well within the return period, simply take it back to the store for a refund would be sufficient to solve the problem. Again, no recall necessary.
"Don't hold it that way." Ouch. As a user and a stock holder, I don't like to hear that from the candy man of Apple.
Do us all a favor and sell your AAPL stock and obsess about something else. Apple rolls out the iPhone 4 where it sets new sales records and has better reception than the previous model. When people complain that if they hold is a certain way it "loses bars" and might, in some cases drop calls, Apple offers everyone a free case (even a third-party case). Somehow this proves that the Apple CEO is "off his medication" to use your words. Then when they scale back the program, but still will give a case to anyone who asks, that's your opportunity to rant and rave again? I suggest you put your money into some other company that isn't so poorly managed, Dell, Microsoft, Yahoo, RIM all come to mind. Actually, you've made so much money thanks to your AAPL appreciation, you could afford to invest in all 4 of those winners.
It's amazing how wrong and arrogant Blackintosh is. This sort of mental disconnect and hatred for a company has to be Teckstud.
Yep... each post has him sounding more like Teckstud. His ability to contaminate threads is certainly his trait. Sounds like the nonsense he's spewing is finally getting the attention of the mods. Unfortunately, it will just result in this troll coming back under another alias and we'll have to start the guessing game all over again.
I never ever found a company people obsessed with like Apple in my life. Both negatively and positively. Nagatively like Blackintosh who almost explode because of this small news, and positively like many here. I used Windows for more than ten years and never once care or want to follow anything Microsoft. Now I just want to buy an iPhone and in no time I found myself follow Apple news every day. Damn!
"Apple responded by stating that all smartphones experience some form of attenuation when held in a certain way. "
Wow. What a load of shit. Apple just keeps pushing it. Hey Steve Jobs, just man up and say you guys really screwed up with a design flaw, fix the hardware, make customers happy again and move on. Done.
Back to the original theme of the thread about benefiting shareholders.
Dropping the program may add a slight increase to accessory sales just in time for the holidays, but don't count on a significant increase as 175 million or 300 million to Apple wouldn't mean anything in its earnings.
Just watching the ANALISTS (the way it should be spelled) picking up crumbs on the floor.
True, but this could affect the stock in regards to the initial drop that occurred because of this PR fiasco.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
Yep... each post has him sounding more like Teckstud. His ability to contaminate threads is certainly his trait. Sounds like the nonsense he's spewing is finally getting the attention of the mods. Unfortunately, it will just result in this troll coming back under another alias and we'll have to start the guessing game all over again.
I'm not helping by ripping his logic holes a new one so I'll refrain from commenting on his posts.
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Originally Posted by Naboozle
Even if it's a small problem, affecting a minority of users, the design should still be improved. A case is a less than ideal solution.
No recall.
No continuation of the case giveaway.
No new iPhone 4.5 with the antenna on the inside.
More than ever the case giveaway seems like a Band-Aid to placate the media frenzy, not a Bain-Aid to fix an actual design flaw of making the frame the antenna.
Like when a child goes crying to mommy because they fell, but miraculously stop crying after they get their "boo boo" kissed.
The case giveaway was psychological. I don't see Apple going to an internal antenna design when there are so many pluses with this new design.
The case giveaway was psychological. I don't see Apple going to an internal antenna design when there are so many pluses with this new design.
Apple is in a no-win situation. If they stay with the current (and great) antenna design, the iTrolls will continue to spread FUD about it, even though all the indicators show that this affects a very small percentage of people.
If Apple changes any aspect of the design in the next iPhone, simply because evolution demands it, I'll bet money that those same iHaters will then preach to the world that they were right all along.
I agree with you that the program was a psychological way to shut-up the media. Does one hear of any reports of this problem outside the U.S.? I certainly haven't heard anything.
Just reply to the points I made and stop dismissing me by calling me Teckstud. I am not him. I am me, and there is only one me. And I ain't wrong.
You called me arrogant. That's name calling. I'm going to....oh wait. I got a message from the moderator. I'm not allowed to call anyone else out for name calling. He said that just childish one liners clearly designed to get people's back up.
Sooo, go ahead and call me names then, I guess. I must follow the rules here, even though they don't seem to apply to you. Can't get any more points or else I will be banned!!
The sad part is you have plenty of other backup-aliases ready to be used at a moment's notice.
I can't believe the attitude of this company. After burying their head in the sand for weeks, they finally address the cries of the Apple community with a press conference. Then Lord Jobs comes out on stage with the most arrogant and unfeeling apology in the history of apologies
I don't remember any apology at all. The lack of contrition was noteworthy.
If this *new* thing is using the frame as the antenna, then it being *stupid* would mean the next iPhone will go back to using a separate antenna system for the device with the frame being created by plastic or some other non-conductive material.
You employ an unstated assumption here: That Apple would never repeat a stupid mistake.
However, they keep many of the same stupid junk in (and stupidly neglect basic features) in generation after generation of products. They are famous for it.
You've been saying the same thing over and over and we've been hearing it over and over. You've made your feelings about Apple and Jobs perfectly clear.
Please add him to your ignore list then we don't even have to see his tripe quoted. thanks
I also use Macs because they work for me. Over the past ten years Apple has played nice with the Windows world, culminating in the Intel Switch and bootcamp which gave many, including me, the safety net to make the switch. And it's been a great ride.
It's the change in Apple's tone of late that troubles me. This whole notion that Apple steers the internet by banning flash from portable (I didn't say mobile) devices. The curated App store which dictates what you can and can't do with your device. And back on point, the attitude with which the whole antenna issue was handled.
"Don't hold it that way." Ouch. As a user and a stock holder, I don't like to hear that from the candy man of Apple.
No Muncy, we weren't "crazy ones" to use a Mac. But we might be a little bit crazy to use an iOS device.
Though the discussion has been talked to death, I agree with you on the whole Flash argument. I am an advocate of user choice there. As for the app store, I can see both sides of the fence regarding the security of knowing that the apps have gone through Apple's "locked-down" rigorous testing and approval process vs. the freedom to use the software you want. Perhaps a happy medium is in order? Again, user choice. Use products Apple 'approves' of or use something else and take full responsibility of the consequences (or lack thereof).
Regardless, I'm sure you and others who make their voices heard by their buying decisions will appropriately map the course for Apple's future.
Do us all a favor and sell your AAPL stock and obsess about something else.
And once again, instead of responding to what I say, you want me to just go away. Would it kill you to open your mind to someone else's point of view? Are you so sure your right and everyone else is so wrong?
I never ever found a company people obsessed with like Apple in my life. Both negatively and positively. Nagatively like Blackintosh who almost explode because of this small news, and positively like many here. I used Windows for more than ten years and never once care or want to follow anything Microsoft. Now I just want to buy an iPhone and in no time I found myself follow Apple news every day. Damn!
EXACTLY! Reminds me of when Barry Bonds was playing. All the talk was about whether he did or didn't. He got loud cheering here at ATT park, and a scattering of boos, and he always got loud boos everywhere else he played, but if you looked at the boo'ers, you would see a knowing smile on their faces, and, oh yes -- NO ONE would be out getting a hotdog, or visiting the john, or whatever, if you could help it, when he came to bat. He filled the seats at ATT park, and in a lot of visitors' venues as well, regardless of your opinion of his character. Sound a bit like the superstar Apple? Bet your sweet bippy it does.
Regardless of your opinion of Apple, it would be a drab world indeed if we only had the likes of Microsoft, RIM, Nokia, HP to bat around (wait - HP is certainly ripe for the soap-opera set, so I guess I love to read about its trials and tribulations also).
I just wish the trolls would stop the excessive negativity, and the fanbois would stop dissing anyone who dares to call attention to the emperor's lack of clothing from time to time.
Thankfully, we do indeed live in interesting times, and I love having a company to follow that gets so much attention, from both sides.
"Apple responded by stating that all smartphones experience some form of attenuation when held in a certain way. "
Wow. What a load of shit. Apple just keeps pushing it. Hey Steve Jobs, just man up and say you guys really screwed up with a design flaw, fix the hardware, make customers happy again and move on. Done.
Apple was correct. The technique is called dissembling. One appears honest by stating only facts. However, when dissembling, not all the facts are stated.
In this case, the problem was detuning. Not attenuation. Apple talked about attenuation, and the limited, but correct statement by Apple was taken as the whole truth.
But the whole truth is that the detuning problem plagues the iPhone due to a design flaw. And that design flaw is not shared by other handheld devices..
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It's amazing how wrong and arrogant Blackintosh is. This sort of mental disconnect and hatred for a company has to be Teckstud.
Just reply to the points I made and stop dismissing me by calling me Teckstud. I am not him. I am me, and there is only one me. And I ain't wrong.
You called me arrogant. That's name calling. I'm going to....oh wait. I got a message from the moderator. I'm not allowed to call anyone else out for name calling. He said that just childish one liners clearly designed to get people's back up.
Sooo, go ahead and call me names then, I guess. I must follow the rules here, even though they don't seem to apply to you. Can't get any more points or else I will be banned!!
1: The product recall was MacWorld's idea. So I guess they don't understand either. Only you do.
2: I understand enough about cellular technology to understand no carrier is everywhere and the best shot people have to get a signal is to use the carrier that is strongest where they live.
Can you see even the tiniest bit of logic in my words? Any little bit? Am I right on any level? ANY??
If MacWorld thought a recall was in order, then indeed they don't understand what a product recall is for.
Product recall is usually reserved for products that have safety issues. The antenna problem, as annoying as it could be for some, doesn't count as safety hazard.
Even if it's serious enough for some that it can't be used, since the problem was discovered well within the return period, simply take it back to the store for a refund would be sufficient to solve the problem. Again, no recall necessary.
"Don't hold it that way." Ouch. As a user and a stock holder, I don't like to hear that from the candy man of Apple.
Do us all a favor and sell your AAPL stock and obsess about something else. Apple rolls out the iPhone 4 where it sets new sales records and has better reception than the previous model. When people complain that if they hold is a certain way it "loses bars" and might, in some cases drop calls, Apple offers everyone a free case (even a third-party case). Somehow this proves that the Apple CEO is "off his medication" to use your words. Then when they scale back the program, but still will give a case to anyone who asks, that's your opportunity to rant and rave again? I suggest you put your money into some other company that isn't so poorly managed, Dell, Microsoft, Yahoo, RIM all come to mind. Actually, you've made so much money thanks to your AAPL appreciation, you could afford to invest in all 4 of those winners.
It's amazing how wrong and arrogant Blackintosh is. This sort of mental disconnect and hatred for a company has to be Teckstud.
Yep... each post has him sounding more like Teckstud. His ability to contaminate threads is certainly his trait. Sounds like the nonsense he's spewing is finally getting the attention of the mods. Unfortunately, it will just result in this troll coming back under another alias and we'll have to start the guessing game all over again.
Wow. What a load of shit. Apple just keeps pushing it. Hey Steve Jobs, just man up and say you guys really screwed up with a design flaw, fix the hardware, make customers happy again and move on. Done.
Even if it's a small problem, affecting a minority of users, the design should still be improved. A case is a less than ideal solution.
It will be improved. And when it is, the naysayers will say "see.. that's because the design was flawed".
Back to the original theme of the thread about benefiting shareholders.
Dropping the program may add a slight increase to accessory sales just in time for the holidays, but don't count on a significant increase as 175 million or 300 million to Apple wouldn't mean anything in its earnings.
Just watching the ANALISTS (the way it should be spelled) picking up crumbs on the floor.
True, but this could affect the stock in regards to the initial drop that occurred because of this PR fiasco.
Yep... each post has him sounding more like Teckstud. His ability to contaminate threads is certainly his trait. Sounds like the nonsense he's spewing is finally getting the attention of the mods. Unfortunately, it will just result in this troll coming back under another alias and we'll have to start the guessing game all over again.
I'm not helping by ripping his logic holes a new one so I'll refrain from commenting on his posts.
Even if it's a small problem, affecting a minority of users, the design should still be improved. A case is a less than ideal solution.
No recall.
No continuation of the case giveaway.
No new iPhone 4.5 with the antenna on the inside.
More than ever the case giveaway seems like a Band-Aid to placate the media frenzy, not a Bain-Aid to fix an actual design flaw of making the frame the antenna.
Like when a child goes crying to mommy because they fell, but miraculously stop crying after they get their "boo boo" kissed.
The case giveaway was psychological. I don't see Apple going to an internal antenna design when there are so many pluses with this new design.
The case giveaway was psychological. I don't see Apple going to an internal antenna design when there are so many pluses with this new design.
Apple is in a no-win situation. If they stay with the current (and great) antenna design, the iTrolls will continue to spread FUD about it, even though all the indicators show that this affects a very small percentage of people.
If Apple changes any aspect of the design in the next iPhone, simply because evolution demands it, I'll bet money that those same iHaters will then preach to the world that they were right all along.
I agree with you that the program was a psychological way to shut-up the media. Does one hear of any reports of this problem outside the U.S.? I certainly haven't heard anything.
Just reply to the points I made and stop dismissing me by calling me Teckstud. I am not him. I am me, and there is only one me. And I ain't wrong.
You called me arrogant. That's name calling. I'm going to....oh wait. I got a message from the moderator. I'm not allowed to call anyone else out for name calling. He said that just childish one liners clearly designed to get people's back up.
Sooo, go ahead and call me names then, I guess. I must follow the rules here, even though they don't seem to apply to you. Can't get any more points or else I will be banned!!
The sad part is you have plenty of other backup-aliases ready to be used at a moment's notice.
I can't believe the attitude of this company. After burying their head in the sand for weeks, they finally address the cries of the Apple community with a press conference. Then Lord Jobs comes out on stage with the most arrogant and unfeeling apology in the history of apologies
I don't remember any apology at all. The lack of contrition was noteworthy.
If this *new* thing is using the frame as the antenna, then it being *stupid* would mean the next iPhone will go back to using a separate antenna system for the device with the frame being created by plastic or some other non-conductive material.
You employ an unstated assumption here: That Apple would never repeat a stupid mistake.
However, they keep many of the same stupid junk in (and stupidly neglect basic features) in generation after generation of products. They are famous for it.
I guess whatever makes you feel better..
You've been saying the same thing over and over and we've been hearing it over and over. You've made your feelings about Apple and Jobs perfectly clear.
Please add him to your ignore list then we don't even have to see his tripe quoted. thanks
I also use Macs because they work for me. Over the past ten years Apple has played nice with the Windows world, culminating in the Intel Switch and bootcamp which gave many, including me, the safety net to make the switch. And it's been a great ride.
It's the change in Apple's tone of late that troubles me. This whole notion that Apple steers the internet by banning flash from portable (I didn't say mobile) devices. The curated App store which dictates what you can and can't do with your device. And back on point, the attitude with which the whole antenna issue was handled.
"Don't hold it that way." Ouch. As a user and a stock holder, I don't like to hear that from the candy man of Apple.
No Muncy, we weren't "crazy ones" to use a Mac. But we might be a little bit crazy to use an iOS device.
Though the discussion has been talked to death, I agree with you on the whole Flash argument. I am an advocate of user choice there. As for the app store, I can see both sides of the fence regarding the security of knowing that the apps have gone through Apple's "locked-down" rigorous testing and approval process vs. the freedom to use the software you want. Perhaps a happy medium is in order? Again, user choice. Use products Apple 'approves' of or use something else and take full responsibility of the consequences (or lack thereof).
Regardless, I'm sure you and others who make their voices heard by their buying decisions will appropriately map the course for Apple's future.
Do us all a favor and sell your AAPL stock and obsess about something else.
And once again, instead of responding to what I say, you want me to just go away. Would it kill you to open your mind to someone else's point of view? Are you so sure your right and everyone else is so wrong?
I don't know a single person who isn't aware of the iMac
Maybe you need to expand your social circle?
I never ever found a company people obsessed with like Apple in my life. Both negatively and positively. Nagatively like Blackintosh who almost explode because of this small news, and positively like many here. I used Windows for more than ten years and never once care or want to follow anything Microsoft. Now I just want to buy an iPhone and in no time I found myself follow Apple news every day. Damn!
EXACTLY! Reminds me of when Barry Bonds was playing. All the talk was about whether he did or didn't. He got loud cheering here at ATT park, and a scattering of boos, and he always got loud boos everywhere else he played, but if you looked at the boo'ers, you would see a knowing smile on their faces, and, oh yes -- NO ONE would be out getting a hotdog, or visiting the john, or whatever, if you could help it, when he came to bat. He filled the seats at ATT park, and in a lot of visitors' venues as well, regardless of your opinion of his character. Sound a bit like the superstar Apple? Bet your sweet bippy it does.
Regardless of your opinion of Apple, it would be a drab world indeed if we only had the likes of Microsoft, RIM, Nokia, HP to bat around (wait - HP is certainly ripe for the soap-opera set, so I guess I love to read about its trials and tribulations also).
I just wish the trolls would stop the excessive negativity, and the fanbois would stop dissing anyone who dares to call attention to the emperor's lack of clothing from time to time.
Thankfully, we do indeed live in interesting times, and I love having a company to follow that gets so much attention, from both sides.
"Apple responded by stating that all smartphones experience some form of attenuation when held in a certain way. "
Wow. What a load of shit. Apple just keeps pushing it. Hey Steve Jobs, just man up and say you guys really screwed up with a design flaw, fix the hardware, make customers happy again and move on. Done.
Apple was correct. The technique is called dissembling. One appears honest by stating only facts. However, when dissembling, not all the facts are stated.
In this case, the problem was detuning. Not attenuation. Apple talked about attenuation, and the limited, but correct statement by Apple was taken as the whole truth.
But the whole truth is that the detuning problem plagues the iPhone due to a design flaw. And that design flaw is not shared by other handheld devices..
It's amazing how wrong and arrogant Blackintosh is. This sort of mental disconnect and hatred for a company has to be Teckstud.
Blackintosh is not Teckstud. Unless he changed ISP.