What is up with only covering football cities? Does that mean Green Bay, WI is getting LTE before everyone else?
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
Verizon has already publicly stated that its 4g LTE Network will not have a large enough footprint (to not rely on CDMA as a backup) until 2013-14. Looks like you Verizon fans will have to wait a bit longer.
His answer could've been PR speak. Regardless whether Apple launches a Verizon iPhone in 2011, his statement would still be true. He sidestepped the question very lawyerly.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
What about Buffalo? The team is now worse than the Lions and Rams, and there is no one left in the city who can afford an LTE laptop card.
For me, this would be a marriage built in heaven. The day Apple and Verizon copulate will be the day I buy my iPhone. Until then, I'll stick with my MacBook Pro, my iPod, and my Verizon cell phone.
Apple has never given in to anyone, be it Media companies, Music companies etc, etc, etc.
There is no way that APPLE needs Verizon as much as Verizon needs APPLE.
Hard to believe that APPLE would release a CDMA IPHONE in January before Verizons LTE network is up an running or IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRODUCT CYCLE. Meaning 6 months into IPHONE4 and 6 months before IPHONE 5.
Not sure I agree. They certainly "gave in" when they agreed to variable pricing for music in the iTunes store.
Personally, I think Apple should release a CDMA phone - hopefully without Verizon branding. LTE is still years away from wide spread use.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
He said LTE will cover 30 NFL football team CITIES. Remember, there are teams that are located practically in one city. Jets and Giants, 49ers and Raiders.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
There are two teams in New York. And San Francisco and Oakland might be considered one city.
What a game all these guys are playing, VZ can not piss off Motorola and RIM, because if VZ does in fact get the iphone next year the only one getting hurt in that deal will be Motorola and RIM.
What is up with only covering football cities? Does that mean Green Bay, WI is getting LTE before everyone else?
Yes. And by the way, there are 32 NFL teams in 30 TV markets. SanFran/Oakland is one city in a business sense, and of course there are the NY Giants and Jets.
One thing no one has mentioned is that Verizon has the exclusive contract for the NFL Mobile package. It's very important for them to market this. That's why Green Bay's getting LTE before Des Moines.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict
On the flip side, verizon has a bunch of hit phones now and they also have a slower 3G technology. They may not want the iphone 4 to show up with a bunch of side by side network comparisons that attack their very valuable superior network reputation. If they wait for LTE these issues will no longer exist.
No one compares Android phones' speeds. Why would they with iPhone? The reason for Verizon is their network reliability, especially in big cities. The bigger threat to VZ and Apple is simultaneous voice and data. Fortunately, that doesn't require VoLTE, or LTE+CDMA. It can be done with Voice Over Rev. A, which is a simple software upgrade on the EVDO side.
Another thing no one has mentioned here is the AI report that by January, 2011, Apple will have 3 million CDMA iPhones ready for launch. That's less than the number of iPhone 4's that AT&T sold in the first week. Three million in the first month is simply not enough for Verizon. When you include the people switching from AT&T, ten million in the first month is not out of the question. I don't see VZ getting the iPhone unless Apple can produce more CDMA iPhones more quickly.
Here's what i don't understand- if Sprint is allowing unlimited data on its 4g network but capping it on its 3g network, then that means the 4g networks will be able to handle the capacity needed for the iPhone.
And the Sprint EVO does both 3g and 4g...
So why not bring out the Verizon iPhone now, have it run on both networks, and then Verizon can tell people- when 4g comes to your town, its unlimited. Until then, 3g is capped at 2g a month...
There is no way that APPLE needs Verizon as much as Verizon needs APPLE.
I think Android is a much bigger threat to iOS than AT&T is to Verizon. Apple is at a distinct disadvantage by only being able to sell to 1/3 of the US cell phone market.
Another thing no one has mentioned here is the AI report that by January, 2011, Apple will have 3 million CDMA iPhones ready for launch. That's less than the number of iPhone 4's that AT&T sold in the first week. Three million in the first month is simply not enough for Verizon. When you include the people switching from AT&T, ten million in the first month is not out of the question. I don't see VZ getting the iPhone unless Apple can produce more CDMA iPhones more quickly.
Very true, which is why I keep saying maybe Sprint is actually the US carrier getting the iPhone. They are invested in Android, but not as heavily as Verizon is and if Apple is able to produce a CDMA based iPhone that also supports Sprint's 4G/Wi-Max plans, there are plenty of people who would pick one up. I'm on Sprint, so I know I would.
did anyone think was another attempt on VZ part to keep people form moving to AT&T on the next 4 phone as iphone become again the favorite xmas gift for the year.
Here's what i don't understand- if Sprint is allowing unlimited data on its 4g network but capping it on its 3g network, then that means the 4g networks will be able to handle the capacity needed for the iPhone.
And the Sprint EVO does both 3g and 4g...
So why not bring out the Verizon iPhone now, have it run on both networks, and then Verizon can tell people- when 4g comes to your town, its unlimited.
Two problems:
1. Verizon is planning to offer capped LTE dataplans.
2. Some estimates have smartphone data use increasing eightfold over the next five years. Don't expect anyone to keep offering unlimited data.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict
10 million is what they have been selling in a quarter, world wide! There is no way they would sell 10 million in a month, more like a year.
After the first month, sure, they won't sell ten million a month. But I read a report on AI or Macrumors (don't remember which) that about half of Verizon's 90 million current subscribers are interested in a Verizon iPhone. Obviously, not all of them will get one in the first month. But even if 10% of those considering do get one in the first month, then that's 4.5 million iPhones.
Then add in the estimated 1.8 million AT&T iPhone subscribers that are willing to switch from AT&T to Verizon for their iPhone. Then imagine the TMobile and Sprint subscribers who would be willing to switch for a Verizon iPhone. That's, what, another half million?
So we, conservatively, have two and a quarter million for just the people switching over from other networks. Then add in the VZ subscribers going to iPhone, and that takes you to nearly seven million iPhones in the first month. This is a conservative number, so ten million isn't impossible. Even if demand is only five million, then you have the same demand constraints of the current UMTS iPhone. Apple may not have an excuse with Verizon supply/demand, like they had with AT&T.
And let me finish with this: AT&T sold 1.7 million iPhone 4's on the first day. Some estimated that they could have sold 2.5 million on that day, if they only had that many to sell. Verizon has more subscribers than AT&T these days. Still think three million in the first month is enough?
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel
I keep saying maybe Sprint is actually the US carrier getting the iPhone. They are invested in Android, but not as heavily as Verizon is and if Apple is able to produce a CDMA based iPhone that also supports Sprint's 4G/Wi-Max plans, there are plenty of people who would pick one up. I'm on Sprint, so I know I would.
Two problems:
1. Current 4G chips are very power-intensive. Apple could have made their first iPhone compatible with UMTS 3G, but decided against it, believing that the chipsets weren't power-efficient enough, yet.
2. Sprint uses WiMax for 4G, which isn't a technology standard that will be used worldwide like LTE. Apple likes to work with established technologies. If there is a Sprint iPhone, it will be CDMA-only.
I figure that if there is a US launch, it will hold back an Asian launch for a few months; otherwise, Asia will get all of the first CDMA iPhones. The following carriers are likely:
2. LG Telecom (South Korea) Demand for iPhones is surpassing all expectations. LG Telecom, lagging in subscriber numbers, would love to have a flagship phone for their EVDO network.
3. KDDI (Japan) Demand for iPhones has been so high, that the SoftBank network has been having AT&T-like straining over the past year.
So for those of you that may have bought an Android-based phone from Verizon... What, if anything, has Verizon done to it? Does it come bone stock from the manufacturer? Or does Verizon litter it with its own applications/widgets/etc. Is there Verizon branding all over it? I'm just trying to imagine what Verizon might try to demand out of Apple.
Only the Droid 1 and HTC DInc came stock. Bloatware has been installed on the Droid X and Droid 2, plus all of Google's services were taken off the Fascinate but I think that's Samsung's doing. Im one that was waiting for an iPhone on VZW but settled for the Droid and I'm very happy with it. It was to sat the least light years ahead of the phones they were offering. There's one lil Verizon brand on it and a Droid eye during booting. I think VZW would agree on Apple's demands but I think price is the remaining hurdle.
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What is up with only covering football cities? Does that mean Green Bay, WI is getting LTE before everyone else?
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
Verizon has already publicly stated that its 4g LTE Network will not have a large enough footprint (to not rely on CDMA as a backup) until 2013-14. Looks like you Verizon fans will have to wait a bit longer.
His answer could've been PR speak. Regardless whether Apple launches a Verizon iPhone in 2011, his statement would still be true. He sidestepped the question very lawyerly.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
What about Buffalo? The team is now worse than the Lions and Rams, and there is no one left in the city who can afford an LTE laptop card.
Apple has never given in to anyone, be it Media companies, Music companies etc, etc, etc.
There is no way that APPLE needs Verizon as much as Verizon needs APPLE.
Hard to believe that APPLE would release a CDMA IPHONE in January before Verizons LTE network is up an running or IN THE MIDDLE OF A PRODUCT CYCLE. Meaning 6 months into IPHONE4 and 6 months before IPHONE 5.
Not sure I agree. They certainly "gave in" when they agreed to variable pricing for music in the iTunes store.
Personally, I think Apple should release a CDMA phone - hopefully without Verizon branding. LTE is still years away from wide spread use.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
He said LTE will cover 30 NFL football team CITIES. Remember, there are teams that are located practically in one city. Jets and Giants, 49ers and Raiders.
They said they would cover 30 NFL teams, so keep in mind that there are 32 teams. I am guessing the scrub teams are going to be left out. That's you Detroit and St. Louis.
There are two teams in New York. And San Francisco and Oakland might be considered one city.
What about Buffalo? The team is now worse than the Lions and Rams, and there is no one left in the city who can afford an LTE laptop card.
wow. Eh, I guess I'm used to these comments. But you need to at least pick on Cleveland too.
And San Francisco and Oakland might be considered one city.
maybe by someone
What is up with only covering football cities? Does that mean Green Bay, WI is getting LTE before everyone else?
Yes. And by the way, there are 32 NFL teams in 30 TV markets. SanFran/Oakland is one city in a business sense, and of course there are the NY Giants and Jets.
One thing no one has mentioned is that Verizon has the exclusive contract for the NFL Mobile package. It's very important for them to market this. That's why Green Bay's getting LTE before Des Moines.
On the flip side, verizon has a bunch of hit phones now and they also have a slower 3G technology. They may not want the iphone 4 to show up with a bunch of side by side network comparisons that attack their very valuable superior network reputation. If they wait for LTE these issues will no longer exist.
No one compares Android phones' speeds. Why would they with iPhone? The reason for Verizon is their network reliability, especially in big cities. The bigger threat to VZ and Apple is simultaneous voice and data. Fortunately, that doesn't require VoLTE, or LTE+CDMA. It can be done with Voice Over Rev. A, which is a simple software upgrade on the EVDO side.
Another thing no one has mentioned here is the AI report that by January, 2011, Apple will have 3 million CDMA iPhones ready for launch. That's less than the number of iPhone 4's that AT&T sold in the first week. Three million in the first month is simply not enough for Verizon. When you include the people switching from AT&T, ten million in the first month is not out of the question. I don't see VZ getting the iPhone unless Apple can produce more CDMA iPhones more quickly.
And the Sprint EVO does both 3g and 4g...
So why not bring out the Verizon iPhone now, have it run on both networks, and then Verizon can tell people- when 4g comes to your town, its unlimited. Until then, 3g is capped at 2g a month...
And just get it done already!!!!
When you include the people switching from AT&T, ten million in the first month is not out of the question.
10 million is what they have been selling in a quarter, world wide! There is no way they would sell 10 million in a month, more like a year.
There is no way that APPLE needs Verizon as much as Verizon needs APPLE.
I think Android is a much bigger threat to iOS than AT&T is to Verizon. Apple is at a distinct disadvantage by only being able to sell to 1/3 of the US cell phone market.
Another thing no one has mentioned here is the AI report that by January, 2011, Apple will have 3 million CDMA iPhones ready for launch. That's less than the number of iPhone 4's that AT&T sold in the first week. Three million in the first month is simply not enough for Verizon. When you include the people switching from AT&T, ten million in the first month is not out of the question. I don't see VZ getting the iPhone unless Apple can produce more CDMA iPhones more quickly.
Very true, which is why I keep saying maybe Sprint is actually the US carrier getting the iPhone. They are invested in Android, but not as heavily as Verizon is and if Apple is able to produce a CDMA based iPhone that also supports Sprint's 4G/Wi-Max plans, there are plenty of people who would pick one up. I'm on Sprint, so I know I would.
Here's what i don't understand- if Sprint is allowing unlimited data on its 4g network but capping it on its 3g network, then that means the 4g networks will be able to handle the capacity needed for the iPhone.
And the Sprint EVO does both 3g and 4g...
So why not bring out the Verizon iPhone now, have it run on both networks, and then Verizon can tell people- when 4g comes to your town, its unlimited.
Two problems:
1. Verizon is planning to offer capped LTE dataplans.
2. Some estimates have smartphone data use increasing eightfold over the next five years. Don't expect anyone to keep offering unlimited data.
10 million is what they have been selling in a quarter, world wide! There is no way they would sell 10 million in a month, more like a year.
After the first month, sure, they won't sell ten million a month. But I read a report on AI or Macrumors (don't remember which) that about half of Verizon's 90 million current subscribers are interested in a Verizon iPhone. Obviously, not all of them will get one in the first month. But even if 10% of those considering do get one in the first month, then that's 4.5 million iPhones.
Then add in the estimated 1.8 million AT&T iPhone subscribers that are willing to switch from AT&T to Verizon for their iPhone. Then imagine the TMobile and Sprint subscribers who would be willing to switch for a Verizon iPhone. That's, what, another half million?
So we, conservatively, have two and a quarter million for just the people switching over from other networks. Then add in the VZ subscribers going to iPhone, and that takes you to nearly seven million iPhones in the first month. This is a conservative number, so ten million isn't impossible. Even if demand is only five million, then you have the same demand constraints of the current UMTS iPhone. Apple may not have an excuse with Verizon supply/demand, like they had with AT&T.
And let me finish with this: AT&T sold 1.7 million iPhone 4's on the first day. Some estimated that they could have sold 2.5 million on that day, if they only had that many to sell. Verizon has more subscribers than AT&T these days. Still think three million in the first month is enough?
I keep saying maybe Sprint is actually the US carrier getting the iPhone. They are invested in Android, but not as heavily as Verizon is and if Apple is able to produce a CDMA based iPhone that also supports Sprint's 4G/Wi-Max plans, there are plenty of people who would pick one up. I'm on Sprint, so I know I would.
Two problems:
1. Current 4G chips are very power-intensive. Apple could have made their first iPhone compatible with UMTS 3G, but decided against it, believing that the chipsets weren't power-efficient enough, yet.
2. Sprint uses WiMax for 4G, which isn't a technology standard that will be used worldwide like LTE. Apple likes to work with established technologies. If there is a Sprint iPhone, it will be CDMA-only.
I figure that if there is a US launch, it will hold back an Asian launch for a few months; otherwise, Asia will get all of the first CDMA iPhones. The following carriers are likely:
1. China Telecom 1.3 billion people. Emerging smartphone market. Enough said.
2. LG Telecom (South Korea) Demand for iPhones is surpassing all expectations. LG Telecom, lagging in subscriber numbers, would love to have a flagship phone for their EVDO network.
3. KDDI (Japan) Demand for iPhones has been so high, that the SoftBank network has been having AT&T-like straining over the past year.
1. The iPhone is still exclusively under contract to AT&T for another year or so.
2. Verizon wants to brand the iPhone if sold for its network.
3. AT&T provides a kick back of the monthly usage fees to Apple. Verizon doesn't want to do the same.
4. Other
I favor number 3. It's always about the money.
So for those of you that may have bought an Android-based phone from Verizon... What, if anything, has Verizon done to it? Does it come bone stock from the manufacturer? Or does Verizon litter it with its own applications/widgets/etc. Is there Verizon branding all over it? I'm just trying to imagine what Verizon might try to demand out of Apple.
Only the Droid 1 and HTC DInc came stock. Bloatware has been installed on the Droid X and Droid 2, plus all of Google's services were taken off the Fascinate but I think that's Samsung's doing. Im one that was waiting for an iPhone on VZW but settled for the Droid and I'm very happy with it. It was to sat the least light years ahead of the phones they were offering. There's one lil Verizon brand on it and a Droid eye during booting. I think VZW would agree on Apple's demands but I think price is the remaining hurdle.