But This is today, This is RIM, This is a new Device category. RIM has no experience or track record with a tablet... with all the [supposed] time and talent, they couldn't even show a mackup of the device or UI.
When Apple announced the iPad they showed and demonstrated the product!
How can anyone extrapolate a finished product from what RIM showed in the PlayBook video?
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But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
Find some, show us what they do and how they are used, then, we may grant your hypothetical "rugged industrial tablets" some weight in the discussion, if they are anything like a touchscreen tablet. Otherwise, your comment is sort of like RIM's presentation.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
They didn't show QNX running on anything AFAICT.
RIM bought QNX on April 9, 2010 -- What have they been working on for the last 5 1/2 months?
Find some, show us what they do and how they are used, then, we may grant your hypothetical "rugged industrial tablets" some weight in the discussion, if they are anything like a touchscreen tablet. Otherwise, your comment is sort of like RIM's presentation.
RIM bought QNX on April 9, 2010 -- What have they been working on for the last 5 1/2 months?
Can't they at least show something?
If not... why?
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RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
OK, now you're just circling back around to arguments already addressed.
RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
Hey, I fooled around a little with QNX in the '80s, I had a customer at Stanford Medical Center who loved it -- I opted not to go down the x86 road.
Also, I have attended and presented quite a few announcements like the PlayBook preso...
I understand the pressures, the prep, the attitude, the motivation-- but the one thing I learned above all else is:
"Never try to shit a shitter!"
She can be a gorgeous redhead, batting her baby blues at you -- but you gotta' realize when she's handing you a ration...
“This set of hardware specs beat anything available to date on the tablet market,” Steven Li at Raymond James said in a research note issued today. “We believe the PlayBook tablet shows RIM is starting to compete effectively on hardware specs.”
Man... I just can't wait to get me some of them hardware specs...
Quote:
RBC analyst Mike Abramsky offered a similar opinion, describing PlayBook’s specs as “leading-edge” and arguing that the device is well positioned for enterprise. “PlayBook may be cheaper, more productive than iPad for enterprises to deploy,” he observed, noting that the device requires no additional licenses or carrier costs and leverages existing corporate apps and infrastructure. Abramsky’s preliminarily estimate has RIM selling as many as six million PlayBooks in its first year at market.
These guys estimated Apple would sell 1/2 million iPads in 2010 after seeing and touching a real product.
Man... I just can't wait to get me some of them hardware specs…
That’s akin to a sugary breakfast cereal with a cute anthropomorphized animal on the box advertising that it has a day’s worth of essential minerals and vitamins in a single bowl.
Quote:
These guys estimated Apple would sell 1/2 million iPads in 2010 after seeing and touching a real product.
And they are selling about 25 million this first year? That is 50x more than their estimate! We do this very simple calculations that would mean RiM will sell 300 million PlayBooks its first year. I’m selling AAPL and buying RIMM first this tomorrow morning.
And they are selling about 25 million this first year? That is 50x more than their estimate! We do this very simple calculations that would mean RiM will sell 300 million PlayBooks its first year. I’m selling AAPL and buying RIMM first this tomorrow morning.
No... Me first! I uncovered the story -- you just did the math!
Edit: Let's see 300 mil x $1,000 per-- why that's bigger than the GDP of Disneyland..
Well, as I've mentioned Nokia did precisely this-- wildly oversold the capabilities of what was being touted as a make-or-break device-- so apparently giant mobile companies are capable of behaving insanely-- perhaps particularly if they feel pressured by a market that is changing out from under them.
Now, I have no idea if Nokia has a track record for this kind of thing, or if there something unique to Nokia that makes it susceptible to this kind of marketing. Maybe RIM is famously circumspect when it comes to product announcements, and exaggeration at this point would be vastly out of character. Certainly I can't claim that whatever Nokia might do has any real bearing on whatever RIM might do.
But the Nokia example does seem to at least suggest that the idea that a very large corporation would stoop to "protohype" (to borrow Solipsism's neologism) can't be discarded out of hand as crazy talk.
I will certainly allow that it's possible, but I'd argue against the idea that RIM is almost certainly over-promising, based on nothing more (that I can see) than the evidence of one gee-whiz video. My sense is that some people are having a delayed reaction to the ersatz Courier video all the while forgetting that Microsoft never even announced the product. Get burned often? Not that Microsoft (the masters of vaporware) wouldn't announce a product without any ability or even any intention to deliver.
But the Nokia example does seem to at least suggest that the idea that a very large corporation would stoop to "protohype" (to borrow Solipsism's neologism) can't be discarded out of hand as crazy talk.
Unless somebody comes out with a truly compelling tablet alternative, the iPad will retain its lead. Dell Streak, anyone? Another awkward chimera quietly dies on the vine.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
Yep, but you could certainly say the same thing about previous WinMo tablets, and while those might be a good fit for certain vertically integrated industries, they've proven to be a non-starter for the general consumer market.
Which is to say I still don't see anything that suggests that a slick OS to rival the iPad is in any way assured just because QNX has been making these kind of systems. And, again, it doesn't mean it won't be fine or great, just that there doesn't seem to be a relevant track record to go on.
I don't have to back up a claim I never made. Read back, this will be clear since it was stated in plain language.
Post #74: ..... Originally Posted by ctwise
The reason why they don't show an actual device in the video is because they don't have a device ready to show. That's what people mean by "fake".
You replied TO THIS POST with the following quote:
Oh come on. Enough with the double standards. Apple does this kind of thing all the time.
You also said in post #39:
What's "fake" about the video? In fact it looks a lot like something Apple might do.
Anyone who has any kind of command of the English language at all clearly understands what "ctwise" is saying. You are implying that Apple uses fake videos all the time. To keep denying that borders on a level of nonsense that is not to be believed, but it is obvious to anyone who has been following this dialogue, that you will continue on .... being oblivious to any fact that undermines your silly statement, and continue to post with every intention of shifting the blame to everyone else. Your inability to take responsibility for your own words is a personality trait shared by pathological liars and people with other mental issues. I hope that neither is the case with you .... but if it walks like a duck .....
On a more positive note, you must be a very happy fellow, because, as we all know ..... ignorance is bliss.
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But This is today, This is RIM, This is a new Device category. RIM has no experience or track record with a tablet... with all the [supposed] time and talent, they couldn't even show a mackup of the device or UI.
When Apple announced the iPad they showed and demonstrated the product!
How can anyone extrapolate a finished product from what RIM showed in the PlayBook video?
.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
Find some, show us what they do and how they are used, then, we may grant your hypothetical "rugged industrial tablets" some weight in the discussion, if they are anything like a touchscreen tablet. Otherwise, your comment is sort of like RIM's presentation.
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
They didn't show QNX running on anything AFAICT.
RIM bought QNX on April 9, 2010 -- What have they been working on for the last 5 1/2 months?
Can't they at least show something?
If not... why?
.
Find some, show us what they do and how they are used, then, we may grant your hypothetical "rugged industrial tablets" some weight in the discussion, if they are anything like a touchscreen tablet. Otherwise, your comment is sort of like RIM's presentation.
http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/2_panels.html
They didn't show QNX running on anything AFAICT.
RIM bought QNX on April 9, 2010 -- What have they been working on for the last 5 1/2 months?
Can't they at least show something?
If not... why?
.
RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
Feathers are indeed ruffled...
http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/2_panels.html
Doesn't look anything like the tablet RIM is building, I guess those don't bolster your argument.
RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
OK, now you're just circling back around to arguments already addressed.
RIM also didn't show anything when they launched BB OS 6, it didn't prevent them from launching actual handsets on time --- and they launched the handset in the first month of their stated launched quarter, not in the last month of the stated launched quarter.
Hey, I fooled around a little with QNX in the '80s, I had a customer at Stanford Medical Center who loved it -- I opted not to go down the x86 road.
Also, I have attended and presented quite a few announcements like the PlayBook preso...
I understand the pressures, the prep, the attitude, the motivation-- but the one thing I learned above all else is:
"Never try to shit a shitter!"
She can be a gorgeous redhead, batting her baby blues at you -- but you gotta' realize when she's handing you a ration...
... I'm a shitter!
.
“This set of hardware specs beat anything available to date on the tablet market,” Steven Li at Raymond James said in a research note issued today. “We believe the PlayBook tablet shows RIM is starting to compete effectively on hardware specs.”
Man... I just can't wait to get me some of them hardware specs...
RBC analyst Mike Abramsky offered a similar opinion, describing PlayBook’s specs as “leading-edge” and arguing that the device is well positioned for enterprise. “PlayBook may be cheaper, more productive than iPad for enterprises to deploy,” he observed, noting that the device requires no additional licenses or carrier costs and leverages existing corporate apps and infrastructure. Abramsky’s preliminarily estimate has RIM selling as many as six million PlayBooks in its first year at market.
These guys estimated Apple would sell 1/2 million iPads in 2010 after seeing and touching a real product.
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...-garbage-time/
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Man... I just can't wait to get me some of them hardware specs…
That’s akin to a sugary breakfast cereal with a cute anthropomorphized animal on the box advertising that it has a day’s worth of essential minerals and vitamins in a single bowl.
These guys estimated Apple would sell 1/2 million iPads in 2010 after seeing and touching a real product.
And they are selling about 25 million this first year? That is 50x more than their estimate! We do this very simple calculations that would mean RiM will sell 300 million PlayBooks its first year. I’m selling AAPL and buying RIMM first this tomorrow morning.
And they are selling about 25 million this first year? That is 50x more than their estimate! We do this very simple calculations that would mean RiM will sell 300 million PlayBooks its first year. I’m selling AAPL and buying RIMM first this tomorrow morning.
No... Me first! I uncovered the story -- you just did the math!
Edit: Let's see 300 mil x $1,000 per-- why that's bigger than the GDP of Disneyland..
I think I just warmed myself -- Nokia style!
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Well, as I've mentioned Nokia did precisely this-- wildly oversold the capabilities of what was being touted as a make-or-break device-- so apparently giant mobile companies are capable of behaving insanely-- perhaps particularly if they feel pressured by a market that is changing out from under them.
Now, I have no idea if Nokia has a track record for this kind of thing, or if there something unique to Nokia that makes it susceptible to this kind of marketing. Maybe RIM is famously circumspect when it comes to product announcements, and exaggeration at this point would be vastly out of character. Certainly I can't claim that whatever Nokia might do has any real bearing on whatever RIM might do.
But the Nokia example does seem to at least suggest that the idea that a very large corporation would stoop to "protohype" (to borrow Solipsism's neologism) can't be discarded out of hand as crazy talk.
I will certainly allow that it's possible, but I'd argue against the idea that RIM is almost certainly over-promising, based on nothing more (that I can see) than the evidence of one gee-whiz video. My sense is that some people are having a delayed reaction to the ersatz Courier video all the while forgetting that Microsoft never even announced the product. Get burned often? Not that Microsoft (the masters of vaporware) wouldn't announce a product without any ability or even any intention to deliver.
These here PlayBook Tablets got no data charges, no contracts, no ETFs-- no cell radios, actually.
Who is going to sell them?
Why?
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But the Nokia example does seem to at least suggest that the idea that a very large corporation would stoop to "protohype" (to borrow Solipsism's neologism) can't be discarded out of hand as crazy talk.
I am not the first.
Unless somebody comes out with a truly compelling tablet alternative, the iPad will retain its lead. Dell Streak, anyone? Another awkward chimera quietly dies on the vine.
still amazing how everyone is so sure this is er, a prototype.
Yeah, the thought that came to mind while I was watching it was "Vaporware."
But QNX has experience. You can probably find rugged industrial tablets that runs on QNX right now --- as part of turnkey solution that the manufacturers never advertise the name of the embedded OS that they used.
Yep, but you could certainly say the same thing about previous WinMo tablets, and while those might be a good fit for certain vertically integrated industries, they've proven to be a non-starter for the general consumer market.
Which is to say I still don't see anything that suggests that a slick OS to rival the iPad is in any way assured just because QNX has been making these kind of systems. And, again, it doesn't mean it won't be fine or great, just that there doesn't seem to be a relevant track record to go on.
I don't have to back up a claim I never made. Read back, this will be clear since it was stated in plain language.
Post #74: ..... Originally Posted by ctwise
The reason why they don't show an actual device in the video is because they don't have a device ready to show. That's what people mean by "fake".
You replied TO THIS POST with the following quote:
Oh come on. Enough with the double standards. Apple does this kind of thing all the time.
You also said in post #39:
What's "fake" about the video? In fact it looks a lot like something Apple might do.
Anyone who has any kind of command of the English language at all clearly understands what "ctwise" is saying. You are implying that Apple uses fake videos all the time. To keep denying that borders on a level of nonsense that is not to be believed, but it is obvious to anyone who has been following this dialogue, that you will continue on .... being oblivious to any fact that undermines your silly statement, and continue to post with every intention of shifting the blame to everyone else. Your inability to take responsibility for your own words is a personality trait shared by pathological liars and people with other mental issues. I hope that neither is the case with you .... but if it walks like a duck .....
On a more positive note, you must be a very happy fellow, because, as we all know ..... ignorance is bliss.