On a CNET Video Podcast today they showed a working PlayBook under glass at some kind of exhibition. It was running on autopilot so no finger touches to be observed. Could still be a "fake" but at least it is a fake with a case.
On a CNET Video Podcast today they showed a working PlayBook under glass at some kind of exhibition. It was running on autopilot so no finger touches to be observed. Could still be a "fake" but at least it is a fake with a case.
Here's another cool video of a cool slate that runs the "full internet" and makes a point of its Flash worthiness.
The HP Widows 7 Slate Now With Even More Flash, as it was being pitched back in March, after being touted by Ballmer in January. Which is theoretically still in development, or "customer evaluation", or something. Also around that time Adobe was talking up the 50 or so tablets running full Flash that would be in production by now.
I can't imagine how anyone would have the slightest misgiving when a big tech company pre-announces Yet Another Tablet, because that always leads to a totally cool product.
RIM gave THREE different shipping dates: next month for enterprise/developers, early 2010 for generall US release, and Q2 for international. They won't be that specific if they weren't close to final release.
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
On a CNET Video Podcast today they showed a working PlayBook under glass at some kind of exhibition. It was running on autopilot so no finger touches to be observed. Could still be a "fake" but at least it is a fake with a case.
Probably prototype hardware simply playing a video loop, at least that's what the story said. That's awfully simple to do compared to generating an entire working OS. And because it only did something the old iPod Classic Video could do it gives us no evidence at all on where the actual OS or UI is in development.
Here's another cool video of a cool slate that runs the "full internet" and makes a point of its Flash worthiness.
There are now quite a few OSes built around open web standards. Why hasn?t Adobe made an OS built around Flash if it?s so darn efficient?
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Originally Posted by Hiro
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
I used the AppleTV example earlier in this thread.
? September 12, 2006 - Jobs showed and demonstrated the, then codenamed, iTV?s HW, OS and UI.
? January 9, 2007 - Demoed AppleTV (again) prior to the iPhone demo and stated a February shipping date.
? February 26, 2007 - Apple reports that it will be delayed until March
? March 21, 2007 - AppleTV finally arrives
This OS was basically a stripped down Mac using an evolution of the Front Row UI that they tested on Mac OS X Tiger, from a company with a lot of experience with all the components involved. RiM has short-term experience with this OS and a weak history with it?s previous attempts at a touch-based device.
We don?t know how far along RiM is with PlayBook but if Jobs can demo an actual unit in real time to the press and still be a month late after a 6 month lead time I don?t have much confidence in RiM. But again, they may have it all worked out already and this teaser video was only done to gauge public interest so they know how to market this device.
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
You are brutal-- but acurate.
The chance that PlayBook delivers by Jun 2010 are 1:10
The chance that anyone cares are 0:10
From an IT or enterprise perspective-- Why would you wait 8 months for the promise of PlayBook, when today, you can implement the reality of iPad?
We (enterprise, IT) really are too busy to collect the bodies of the also-rans...
Hate to come across as an asshole, but that's what I do best!
Here's another cool video of a cool slate that runs the "full internet" and makes a point of its Flash worthiness.
The HP Widows 7 Slate Now With Even More Flash, as it was being pitched back in March, after being touted by Ballmer in January. Which is theoretically still in development, or "customer evaluation", or something. Also around that time Adobe was talking up the 50 or so tablets running full Flash that would be in production by now.
I can't imagine how anyone would have the slightest misgiving when a big tech company pre-announces Yet Another Tablet, because that always leads to a totally cool product.
I thought everything should be running Flash by now, what am I missing? How's the Streak's Flash performance? How is Froyo doing? This is more important information for us beyond numbers and launches.
Probably prototype hardware simply playing a video loop, at least that's what the story said. That's awfully simple to do compared to generating an entire working OS. And because it only did something the old iPod Classic Video could do it gives us no evidence at all on where the actual OS or UI is in development.
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Originally Posted by Hiro;
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum;
You are brutal-- but acurate.
The chance that PlayBook delivers by Jun 2010 are 1:10
The chance that anyone cares are 0:10
From an IT or enterprise perspective-- Why would you wait 8 months for the promise of PlayBook, when today, you can implement the reality of iPad?
We (enterprise, IT) really are too busy to collect the bodies of the also-rans...
Hate to come across as an asshole, but that's what I do best!
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PlayBook is minimum 6 months away. Any unforeseen delay and that's 9 months away. I wouldn't call it vapour but it's ambitious, and risky, and clearly hyped up. We'll just have to see. In the meantime iPad 2 will be out first, that should be great. For the record I want other brand's tablets to succeed. But Playbook sounds like it is depending on Flash apps for apps to use. This is a quick implementation but risky for developers. Managing local storage can be tricky, Flash and AS3 are not the most secure and stable thing in the world, and HTML 5 apps again, as another option, have issues with local storage. Maybe I'm wrong and there will be QNX native apps???
These here PlayBook Tablets got no data charges, no contracts, no ETFs-- no cell radios, actually.
Who is going to sell them?
Why?
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Not having 3G is a risky move. They expect you to tether to a BB phone. Will other phones tether easily? Mmm smells like lock-in. Wait I thought everyone besides Apple was all open, beautiful and free and loving...?
Yeah, I don't get the Book part at all. Book means something that opens and closes . . . like a book. Notebook computer, laptop, netbook, etc. Why call something coming from a completely different paradigm--slate, tablet, pad--a book?
I've never seen anyone try so hard to dislike something. Really, your comment is pure bullshit.
This thing is cool! It'll be a nice competitor to the ipad, and maybe even the ipad2. What does that mean? OH RIGHT, it means Apple will step their game up even more-so and customers like you benefit.
BTW, what about this (other than being a tablet) makes it an "Pad left it in the dryer too long"? If anything, this is definitely more of a ripoff of WebOS.
Damm_its_Hot does make the points and counteractions, he is just having some fun.
I don?t think apple needs any competition to make great products, the product strategy is already defined for iPad-2, 3 & 4, which we will get in stages, we will buy at least twice if not more.
Just a point on Apples market and competition, Apple is at the stage where it does not care about the competition too much, how many people want to move to other platforms mainly due to lack of usability and aesthetics. Most of London radio stations, magazines, competitions offer apple products, not once I have seen BB mentioned. People would not know what to do with a non-Apple device if they won it ? well the last bit is partially true
OK! At least some hardware exists. Plus 1 for RIM!
Though something bothers me about that video -- the display seems too large or the aspect ratio is wrong... I can't quite define it...
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Good point, just opened a mag and they are showing Samsung TV, line underneath reads "Simulated picture". A lot of companies do this, when you check they are normally cr@p. they may as well write "Simulated design" as well
... But Playbook sounds like it is depending on Flash apps for apps to use. This is a quick implementation but risky for developers. Managing local storage can be tricky, Flash and AS3 are not the most secure and stable thing in the world, and HTML 5 apps again, as another option, have issues with local storage. Maybe I'm wrong and there will be QNX native apps???
As of now, my understanding is that it will only be Web apps + Flash. Whether they will later add native apps hasn't been addressed, I don't think. Obviously, they went this direction because, with a new OS, they have no time to put a native SDK together.
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this thread is hilarious.
OK!
On a CNET Video Podcast today they showed a working PlayBook under glass at some kind of exhibition. It was running on autopilot so no finger touches to be observed. Could still be a "fake" but at least it is a fake with a case.
That's something! Got a link?
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On a more positive note, you must be a very happy fellow, because, as we all know ..... ignorance is bliss.
Good frigging grief.
The HP Widows 7 Slate Now With Even More Flash, as it was being pitched back in March, after being touted by Ballmer in January. Which is theoretically still in development, or "customer evaluation", or something. Also around that time Adobe was talking up the 50 or so tablets running full Flash that would be in production by now.
I can't imagine how anyone would have the slightest misgiving when a big tech company pre-announces Yet Another Tablet, because that always leads to a totally cool product.
Doya' 'member the iPhone announce when SJ showed us what a smart phone could be... we all sat back and said: "shit yes!" gimme' some...
Doya' 'member the iPad announce when SJ showed us what a Magical Tablet could be... we all sat back and said: "shit yes!" gimme' some...
Doya' 'member the AppleTV announce when SJ showed us what a entertainment system could be... we all sat back and said: "shit yes!" gimme' some...
...just sayin'
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RIM gave THREE different shipping dates: next month for enterprise/developers, early 2010 for generall US release, and Q2 for international. They won't be that specific if they weren't close to final release.
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
On a CNET Video Podcast today they showed a working PlayBook under glass at some kind of exhibition. It was running on autopilot so no finger touches to be observed. Could still be a "fake" but at least it is a fake with a case.
Probably prototype hardware simply playing a video loop, at least that's what the story said. That's awfully simple to do compared to generating an entire working OS. And because it only did something the old iPod Classic Video could do it gives us no evidence at all on where the actual OS or UI is in development.
Here's another cool video of a cool slate that runs the "full internet" and makes a point of its Flash worthiness.
There are now quite a few OSes built around open web standards. Why hasn?t Adobe made an OS built around Flash if it?s so darn efficient?
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
I used the AppleTV example earlier in this thread.This OS was basically a stripped down Mac using an evolution of the Front Row UI that they tested on Mac OS X Tiger, from a company with a lot of experience with all the components involved. RiM has short-term experience with this OS and a weak history with it?s previous attempts at a touch-based device.
We don?t know how far along RiM is with PlayBook but if Jobs can demo an actual unit in real time to the press and still be a month late after a 6 month lead time I don?t have much confidence in RiM. But again, they may have it all worked out already and this teaser video was only done to gauge public interest so they know how to market this device.
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
You are brutal-- but acurate.
The chance that PlayBook delivers by Jun 2010 are 1:10
The chance that anyone cares are 0:10
From an IT or enterprise perspective-- Why would you wait 8 months for the promise of PlayBook, when today, you can implement the reality of iPad?
We (enterprise, IT) really are too busy to collect the bodies of the also-rans...
Hate to come across as an asshole, but that's what I do best!
.
Here's another cool video of a cool slate that runs the "full internet" and makes a point of its Flash worthiness.
The HP Widows 7 Slate Now With Even More Flash, as it was being pitched back in March, after being touted by Ballmer in January. Which is theoretically still in development, or "customer evaluation", or something. Also around that time Adobe was talking up the 50 or so tablets running full Flash that would be in production by now.
I can't imagine how anyone would have the slightest misgiving when a big tech company pre-announces Yet Another Tablet, because that always leads to a totally cool product.
Probably prototype hardware simply playing a video loop, at least that's what the story said. That's awfully simple to do compared to generating an entire working OS. And because it only did something the old iPod Classic Video could do it gives us no evidence at all on where the actual OS or UI is in development.
If they were that close and had actual hardware they could ship to developers in October they would have shown it. That would have been worth enormous street cred. But they didn't show it. In Oct they will only provide beta device simulators and SDK's, bet on it.
It does wireless, that means it needs an FCC approval, those take several months, where is that? Once that hits the streets add 4.5 months before ship.
Where are the manufacturing rumors? Lots of overseas vendors have been passing rumors on tablet hardware, but none for BlackBerry. Once the design is even in a relatively stable prototype the manufacturing lines need to be specced, contracted and configured. That can be a 3-9 month proposition depending on the project.
These are all realities that tend to lower the probability that BlackBerry is ready to do much of anything real market-wise in less than 6 months. Either that or they became far better at contractor and FCC secrecy than Apple ever has been. I see the chance of that being between slim and none.
You are brutal-- but acurate.
The chance that PlayBook delivers by Jun 2010 are 1:10
The chance that anyone cares are 0:10
From an IT or enterprise perspective-- Why would you wait 8 months for the promise of PlayBook, when today, you can implement the reality of iPad?
We (enterprise, IT) really are too busy to collect the bodies of the also-rans...
Hate to come across as an asshole, but that's what I do best!
.
PlayBook is minimum 6 months away. Any unforeseen delay and that's 9 months away. I wouldn't call it vapour but it's ambitious, and risky, and clearly hyped up. We'll just have to see. In the meantime iPad 2 will be out first, that should be great. For the record I want other brand's tablets to succeed. But Playbook sounds like it is depending on Flash apps for apps to use. This is a quick implementation but risky for developers. Managing local storage can be tricky, Flash and AS3 are not the most secure and stable thing in the world, and HTML 5 apps again, as another option, have issues with local storage. Maybe I'm wrong and there will be QNX native apps???
.
These here PlayBook Tablets got no data charges, no contracts, no ETFs-- no cell radios, actually.
Who is going to sell them?
Why?
.
Not having 3G is a risky move. They expect you to tether to a BB phone. Will other phones tether easily? Mmm smells like lock-in. Wait I thought everyone besides Apple was all open, beautiful and free and loving...?
Well, MacBook was already taken...
At least they didn't call it PlayMate.
That's something! Got a link?
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...t;carouselMain
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...t;carouselMain
OK! At least some hardware exists. Plus 1 for RIM!
Though something bothers me about that video -- the display seems too large or the aspect ratio is wrong... I can't quite define it...
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I've never seen anyone try so hard to dislike something. Really, your comment is pure bullshit.
This thing is cool! It'll be a nice competitor to the ipad, and maybe even the ipad2. What does that mean? OH RIGHT, it means Apple will step their game up even more-so and customers like you benefit.
BTW, what about this (other than being a tablet) makes it an "Pad left it in the dryer too long"? If anything, this is definitely more of a ripoff of WebOS.
Damm_its_Hot does make the points and counteractions, he is just having some fun.
I don?t think apple needs any competition to make great products, the product strategy is already defined for iPad-2, 3 & 4, which we will get in stages, we will buy at least twice if not more.
Just a point on Apples market and competition, Apple is at the stage where it does not care about the competition too much, how many people want to move to other platforms mainly due to lack of usability and aesthetics. Most of London radio stations, magazines, competitions offer apple products, not once I have seen BB mentioned. People would not know what to do with a non-Apple device if they won it ? well the last bit is partially true
OK! At least some hardware exists. Plus 1 for RIM!
Though something bothers me about that video -- the display seems too large or the aspect ratio is wrong... I can't quite define it...
.
Good point, just opened a mag and they are showing Samsung TV, line underneath reads "Simulated picture". A lot of companies do this, when you check they are normally cr@p. they may as well write "Simulated design" as well
... But Playbook sounds like it is depending on Flash apps for apps to use. This is a quick implementation but risky for developers. Managing local storage can be tricky, Flash and AS3 are not the most secure and stable thing in the world, and HTML 5 apps again, as another option, have issues with local storage. Maybe I'm wrong and there will be QNX native apps???
As of now, my understanding is that it will only be Web apps + Flash. Whether they will later add native apps hasn't been addressed, I don't think. Obviously, they went this direction because, with a new OS, they have no time to put a native SDK together.