Dear steve, on phones I agree with you- but no flash on macs?!! I thought it was meant to be an out-of-the-box experience!
It is an out of the box experience. Why should flash be pre-installed any more than flip4mac or silverlight - plug-ins are out there and properly coded sites will help you to install them if needed.
I for one have click2flash installed and don't miss flash ever, nor do I have silverlight, the shockwave plug-in - but somehow it never interrupts my viewing experience except for video - and that is simply a case of lazy developers. I can't believe people thing the only way to embed video is flash or HTML5 - this is meant to be a community of tech-savvy users.
Anyway, back on point - if you want third party software, install it yourself.
And thus spake the masses: Alas, for where is my Farmville? Has some great curse fallen upon my FrontierVille? Woe is thee for whom Mafia Wars doth not perform.
Buh bye Flash.
Farmville? There's an app for that...
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Big fucking deal. If you want Flash, just take all of the 30 seconds to install the stupid plugin... Now on to real news....
My froyo Nexus one has flash installed, and it performs quick and flawless. Apple must have not seen this. That's fine though, just one point in the Android column.
So you registered (with an inflammatory name to boot), just to make this comment?
I mean what next people are going to start complaining that the Mac doesn't come pre installed with a particular Codec pack or similar.
Then there is the other side to this argument and that is IF they did install Flash and people had issues with it. Do they complain to Adobe about it or do they blame Apple? Who does the out of the box support Adobe or Apple?
Exactly it falls back onto Apple. So to save the hassle of having to deal with people complaining about their 3RD PARTY plugin not working, they simply don't install it.
Time to get over it people, stop being so f$%#ing lazy and expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter and install it yourself.
My froyo Nexus one has flash installed, and it performs quick and flawless. Apple must have not seen this. That's fine though, just one point in the Android column.
And my all 3 browsers periodically crash because of the flash. Oh, and you do not have iOS on MacBook Air.
LOL. When I first read the headline "New MacBook Air ships without Flash installed" I thought it was missing the storage chips. That would be interesting news. Telling me that the Adobe Flash plug-in isn't preinstalled is like, meh? Is that really news?
Off topic slightly but Apple need to make a 64 bit plug in for Safari 5.1 that utilizes Preview to open in line Adobe Reader docs since Adobe don't seem able to do it. Until then Safari has to be switched to 32 bit to use Adobe Reader 9's plug in. Sheesh!
That was my first thought to LOL. The use of the word Flash made me smile in the video about the MBA too and then several references to Windows ... 'not those Windows' by the shaky handed guy. Perhaps a subtle redefining of certain words is under way?
Ever since I switched YouTube to HTML5 I can't really remember the last time Safari barfed on me.
And Adblock kills most of the Flash-based ads.
Of course, a simple Flash game on Facebook makes my MacBook's fans spin within about 30 seconds though. Thanks Adobe.
Yep like they couldn't have solved this years ago! This and as I said up the thread Adobe won't update the Reader Plug in for Safari 5.1 64 bit. Adobe seem to have systematically targeted Macs to hold them back. This started before SJ dumped Flash.
Dear steve, on phones I agree with you- but no flash on macs?!! I thought it was meant to be an out-of-the-box experience!
It's like that pick-up truck and car analogy... how most vehicles at the dawn of the combustion engine were pick-ups which might have been expected to come with certain features standard issue (such as gun racks); and now there is much more diversification in form factor and style and quality among the vehicles on the road...
Steve says:
"Yes, we are selling you a great little utility vehicle. And, yes, it does have room in the back window; but folks, we just aren't going to install a gun rack for you. A gun rack is just not a standard option on this model, sorry. Look, I know most people in America own flashy guns; you might even say it is a quintessential aspect of being American -- though many Americans would likely deny it and say they can get along fine without guns. I know a lot of you like to flirt with disaster and fiddle around with loaded guns in your own homes, or flash them around to other people; but we have decided we won't have anything to do with guns ourselves. In our opinion, guns are just something better left alone; and its not like most people in the whole world have or need to have a gun. You want a gun, go get one; you want to carry it around in your vehicle, go get a gun rack somewhere and install it yourself. Good luck with that; no-one is stopping you; but do yourself a favor and learn the laws of the road or the laws of the land first."
It's like that pick-up truck and car analogy... how most vehicles at the dawn of the combustion engine were pick-ups which might have been expected to come with certain features standard issue (such as gun racks); and now there is much more diversification in form factor and style and quality among the vehicles on the road...
Steve says:
"Yes, we are selling you a great little utility vehicle. And, yes, it does have room in the back window; but folks, we just aren't going to install a gun rack for you. A gun rack is just not a standard option on this model, sorry. Look, I know most people in America own flashy guns; you might even say it is a quintessential aspect of being American -- though many Americans would likely deny it and say they can get along fine without guns. I know a lot of you like to flirt with disaster and fiddle around with loaded guns in your own homes, or flash them around to other people; but we have decided we won't have anything to do with guns ourselves. In our opinion, guns are just something better left alone; and its not like most people in the whole world have or need to have a gun. You want a gun, go get one; you want to carry it around in your pick-up, go get a gun rack somewhere and install it yourself. Good luck with that; no-one is stopping you; but do yourself a favor and learn the laws of the road or the laws of the land first."
Steve used a gun rack analogy? Got the link please?
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Dear steve, on phones I agree with you- but no flash on macs?!! I thought it was meant to be an out-of-the-box experience!
It is an out of the box experience. Why should flash be pre-installed any more than flip4mac or silverlight - plug-ins are out there and properly coded sites will help you to install them if needed.
I for one have click2flash installed and don't miss flash ever, nor do I have silverlight, the shockwave plug-in - but somehow it never interrupts my viewing experience except for video - and that is simply a case of lazy developers. I can't believe people thing the only way to embed video is flash or HTML5 - this is meant to be a community of tech-savvy users.
Anyway, back on point - if you want third party software, install it yourself.
How could they when they only have a 5% market share?
It's now over 10%, nearly 21% if taking the iPad into account.
And thus spake the masses: Alas, for where is my Farmville? Has some great curse fallen upon my FrontierVille? Woe is thee for whom Mafia Wars doth not perform.
Buh bye Flash.
Farmville? There's an app for that...
Big fucking deal. If you want Flash, just take all of the 30 seconds to install the stupid plugin... Now on to real news....
Agreed.
My froyo Nexus one has flash installed, and it performs quick and flawless. Apple must have not seen this. That's fine though, just one point in the Android column.
So you registered (with an inflammatory name to boot), just to make this comment?
Really?
Really??
Thanks for your input. Now, go run and play.
If they install Flash people bitch. If they dont install Flash people bitch. Either way ....PEOPLE BITCH!!!.
But honestly how hard is it for people to click http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
I mean what next people are going to start complaining that the Mac doesn't come pre installed with a particular Codec pack or similar.
Then there is the other side to this argument and that is IF they did install Flash and people had issues with it. Do they complain to Adobe about it or do they blame Apple? Who does the out of the box support Adobe or Apple?
Exactly it falls back onto Apple. So to save the hassle of having to deal with people complaining about their 3RD PARTY plugin not working, they simply don't install it.
Time to get over it people, stop being so f$%#ing lazy and expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter and install it yourself.
Dear steve, on phones I agree with you- but no flash on macs?!! I thought it was meant to be an out-of-the-box experience!
It is an out-of-the-box experience without flash. Deal with it. --Steve
My froyo Nexus one has flash installed, and it performs quick and flawless. Apple must have not seen this. That's fine though, just one point in the Android column.
And my all 3 browsers periodically crash because of the flash. Oh, and you do not have iOS on MacBook Air.
Should this wonderful new thing not be called airPad?
If it had 3G.... If only it had 3G....
LOL. When I first read the headline "New MacBook Air ships without Flash installed" I thought it was missing the storage chips. That would be interesting news. Telling me that the Adobe Flash plug-in isn't preinstalled is like, meh? Is that really news?
I had the exact same thought.
And Adblock kills most of the Flash-based ads.
Of course, a simple Flash game on Facebook makes my MacBook's fans spin within about 30 seconds though. Thanks Adobe.
I had the exact same thought.
That was my first thought to LOL. The use of the word Flash made me smile in the video about the MBA too and then several references to Windows ... 'not those Windows' by the shaky handed guy. Perhaps a subtle redefining of certain words is under way?
Ever since I switched YouTube to HTML5 I can't really remember the last time Safari barfed on me.
And Adblock kills most of the Flash-based ads.
Of course, a simple Flash game on Facebook makes my MacBook's fans spin within about 30 seconds though. Thanks Adobe.
Yep like they couldn't have solved this years ago!
Dear steve, on phones I agree with you- but no flash on macs?!! I thought it was meant to be an out-of-the-box experience!
It's like that pick-up truck and car analogy... how most vehicles at the dawn of the combustion engine were pick-ups which might have been expected to come with certain features standard issue (such as gun racks); and now there is much more diversification in form factor and style and quality among the vehicles on the road...
Steve says:
"Yes, we are selling you a great little utility vehicle. And, yes, it does have room in the back window; but folks, we just aren't going to install a gun rack for you. A gun rack is just not a standard option on this model, sorry. Look, I know most people in America own flashy guns; you might even say it is a quintessential aspect of being American -- though many Americans would likely deny it and say they can get along fine without guns. I know a lot of you like to flirt with disaster and fiddle around with loaded guns in your own homes, or flash them around to other people; but we have decided we won't have anything to do with guns ourselves. In our opinion, guns are just something better left alone; and its not like most people in the whole world have or need to have a gun. You want a gun, go get one; you want to carry it around in your vehicle, go get a gun rack somewhere and install it yourself. Good luck with that; no-one is stopping you; but do yourself a favor and learn the laws of the road or the laws of the land first."
It's like that pick-up truck and car analogy... how most vehicles at the dawn of the combustion engine were pick-ups which might have been expected to come with certain features standard issue (such as gun racks); and now there is much more diversification in form factor and style and quality among the vehicles on the road...
Steve says:
"Yes, we are selling you a great little utility vehicle. And, yes, it does have room in the back window; but folks, we just aren't going to install a gun rack for you. A gun rack is just not a standard option on this model, sorry. Look, I know most people in America own flashy guns; you might even say it is a quintessential aspect of being American -- though many Americans would likely deny it and say they can get along fine without guns. I know a lot of you like to flirt with disaster and fiddle around with loaded guns in your own homes, or flash them around to other people; but we have decided we won't have anything to do with guns ourselves. In our opinion, guns are just something better left alone; and its not like most people in the whole world have or need to have a gun. You want a gun, go get one; you want to carry it around in your pick-up, go get a gun rack somewhere and install it yourself. Good luck with that; no-one is stopping you; but do yourself a favor and learn the laws of the road or the laws of the land first."
Steve used a gun rack analogy? Got the link please?
Cue a few thousand support phone calls asking why websites aren't loading properly on a brand new computer.
Wow. I know apple wants the world to move away from flash, but this is quite a petty move.
Cue a few thousand support phone calls asking why websites aren't loading properly on a brand new computer.
If flash isn't installed there's usually some kind of indicator to...install flash. Which takes all of a click.