That is how I feel. It just doesn?t ring true. Jobs may have been annoyed by MS buying Bungie, but that was a strategic, well played business move.
Jobs goes on his rants, but they are usually keen summations regarding what he feels is wrong with other companies? and he?s usually ?dead on balls? accurate. But to complain to Ballmar about a purchase just doesn?t sound like him.
I hear ya. The rants that people are posting on here attacking Jobs - based on a RUMOR not fact - just proves that these folks are either trolling, or can be played like a violin. Maybe both? \
No. There won't. Because the last Bungie game developed for the Mac by Bungie was Oni in 1997. Since then, Halo (only the first one) was ported by a third-party studio and Bungie has been purchased by a company that will NEVER give them up.
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Halo 1 was awesome on the XBox, sorry Jobs. It would've stayed as a niche Mac game if it was released on the Mac.
If it was great on your console, it would have been the same on the computer. This is nonsense.
They do if they think it can be turned around. Contracts get re-negotiated all the time & unfortunately for the employees excessiveness often gets canned during a buy out.
Again, I also said I have doubts, but you oversimplify the situation. It would be far worse for Microsoft to move in & grab them up, that would really put some serious hurt on Apple.
No they don't.
You don't buy a company that bad and dump in tens of billions on a whim. Apple will design ideas they think Sony should have made and release them for the Mac Platform.
Steve has admired certain parts of Sony all the way back when we were at NeXT. He even mentioned a few times during the merger with Apple [back when SONY was hot] how Apple could be the next SONY.
Apple has far surpassed the next SONY.
No. They won't waste their assets on the past. They are learning where SONY fails and moving into new frontiers.
How many times will we hear about Steve's kurt and inappropriate comments? Is it not enough to be leading one of the highest valued companies? His narcissistic personality was old last century and I can only hope that his "handlers" would get a tighter rein on him. I love their products even though many of them have had to be replaced because of poor quality control. But I am committed to the system and going over to a PC would be counterproductive. So, how about a little more innovation and a little less conversation.
Hearsay from a biased source. Wow. How many times will we hear from whiners who can't separate fact from hearsay, who would rather believe the worst of someone, especially someone an order of magnitude more successful and well-known. This continuing morbid fascination with the personality of Steve Jobs, known for his intensity and directness, is really rather silly. How in fact did you get to "narcissistic personality"? And as compared to whom? What CEO is not driven, direct and intense? Know any personally in the Fortune 10? 100? 500? You sound more "trapped" than committed. Perhaps a change is in order, because I can deduce from your comments that you would rather deal with the "quality control" of say Dell, or Acer or HP - who have much better QC than Apple. Don't they? So how about some tolerance for diversity in personality? How about lauding the personalities that drive innovation (not worship, just laud) and chuckle with a knowing wink when the Gateses, the Ballmerses, the Jobses, Schmidtses and so on demonstrate a little personality and intensity. Even when it is most rumor and innuendo.
And why WOULDN'T Microsoft try to cherry-pick Bungie - a demonstrated hit maker to bring a strong game to the nascent XBox system? It was a double win because it took away a game developer from the Mac platform as well - very clever monkey-man! This is corporate life folks and if it pissed off Steveo - well there you go, why not pile on while Jobsie is try to pull Apple out of the grave. C'mon, this is how corporations play -it ain't nice pretty and polite, except when absolutely necessary. You think this is bad you should try peeking into something like the finance industry...
It is amazing that some people take the word of journalists which like lawyer and politicians, are considered survey after survey, the most untrusted of all vocations.
Interesting that the author of your reference, journalist Mark Moritz, has other points of view in Bloomberg's 45 minute TV show, "Bloomberg Game Changers: Steve Jobs," now that he is a venture capitalist.
The author of the article I cited was Andy Hertzfeld. Ever heard of him? He's not a venture capitalist.
The quote I used from Mr. Hertzfeld's article was from a friend of Steve's, not the journalist.
I made no reference to anything Mr. Moritz wrote at all, then or now. That's your own distraction.
The quote I used from that article was merely to show how little things change - here's one from a very recent Apple employee:
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No one greets him or says hi to him. Low ranking employees are afraid of him. I remember him walking around the campus one time and groups of people in his way would just split and let him walk through.
There was never any mention that this was going to be a "Mac Only" game.
It was originally scheduled to come out on the Mac first.
It was not scheduled to be released on the Mac first, it was always intended to be released simultaneously (both Mac and Windows). I know this because I heard their pitch at E3 before it was announced at macworld later that year.
who is having the last laugh now, I think Apple (Jobs) got back at MS already and did it in a way that makes it hard to MS to say Apple did the same thing they did. Right now MS can not pay enough to get developers to develop games and such for their mobile platform.
It is one thing to buy a company and change it market direction, however it is another thing when a bunch a companies think it is too costly to make product for your products.
I think MS is living the results of their actions in the past, and Job is a lot more savvy how he did it.
There was never any mention that this was going to be a "Mac Only" game.
It was originally scheduled to come out on the Mac first.
What about my comment warrants your response?
Did I say it was going to be Mac Only or did I say Microsoft brought it to a larger audience than Mac ever would?
I have a feeling once the company saw all that cash in front of them and the prospect of such a large user base, they couldn't give less of a shit about whether it was intended as Mac-Only.
I'm merely pointing out why the company sold out in the first place, and why Jobs scream fest didn't matter for Halo.
It's most definitely true. It was one of the most egregious examples of poaching in the industry.
The first anyone heard of Halo, was when Steve Jobs introduced it on stage at an Apple event. It stunned the crowd because at the time it was beyond leading edge graphics and so forth. He finished the announcement with a statement that it was coming "exclusively to the mac" in the near future.
You don't get any closer to a "done deal" than that, but then Microsoft bought them out from underneath Apple for the express purpose of shutting Apple out.
It was a very dirty deal IMO. I'm not sure who's most at fault, Bungie or Microsoft, but someone (probably lots of someones) seriously compromised their morals with this deal.
You can thank the recent (last 20 years) decimation of antitrust enforcement in this country. With the settlement of the suit against Microsoft, the government made it clear that violating antitrust laws could be done nearly with impunity. Sad.
And do you know what the definition of narcissistic really means. For a person who has helped drive down the prices of software, hardware, music, wireless data plans, etc., than anyone else, you call him selfish.
Can you name one company that Apple bought out in an attempt to crush the competition to the technology?
You can thank the recent (last 20 years) decimation of antitrust enforcement in this country. With the settlement of the suit against Microsoft, the government made it clear that violating antitrust laws could be done nearly with impunity. Sad.
This statement is way far overboard. For one thing, the antitrust suit against Microsoft was filed during the Clinton administration. That was quite a bit less than 20 years ago. Antitrust law enforcement was hardly decimated at that time. For another, it's hardly clear that Microsoft buying Bungie was any kind of antitrust law violation. In fact it's nothing more than a fantasy. Finally, we've had several thread full of cranky posts about the FTC's investigating claims against Apple, as though the entire capitalist system is under threat the moment the FTC even looks into a complaint. Sounds like we're experiencing a whole lot of wanting to have it both ways.
No, that first-hand account didn't give their name either. When dealing with Jobs, all fear being wished into the corn field.
You are correct. It was in an anecdote written in 1982. Two years before the intro of the Mac.
"The (Time) cover story did include another profile of Steve Jobs, containing some comments that were less than complimentary. One unspecified friend was quoted saying "something is happening to Steve that's sad and not pretty", but the best quote was attributed to Jef Raskin: "He would have made an excellent King of France."
Obviously, I attributed an anecdote written by another about an article written by another journalist.
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That is how I feel. It just doesn?t ring true. Jobs may have been annoyed by MS buying Bungie, but that was a strategic, well played business move.
Jobs goes on his rants, but they are usually keen summations regarding what he feels is wrong with other companies? and he?s usually ?dead on balls? accurate. But to complain to Ballmar about a purchase just doesn?t sound like him.
I hear ya. The rants that people are posting on here attacking Jobs - based on a RUMOR not fact - just proves that these folks are either trolling, or can be played like a violin. Maybe both?
With APP STORE for MAC.
There will be plenty of games for MAC.
Including those developed by bungie.
No. There won't. Because the last Bungie game developed for the Mac by Bungie was Oni in 1997. Since then, Halo (only the first one) was ported by a third-party studio and Bungie has been purchased by a company that will NEVER give them up.
Halo 1 was awesome on the XBox, sorry Jobs. It would've stayed as a niche Mac game if it was released on the Mac.
If it was great on your console, it would have been the same on the computer. This is nonsense.
Microsoft managed to bring that game to far more people than it would have seen on a Mac.
There was never any mention that this was going to be a "Mac Only" game.
It was originally scheduled to come out on the Mac first.
They do if they think it can be turned around. Contracts get re-negotiated all the time & unfortunately for the employees excessiveness often gets canned during a buy out.
Again, I also said I have doubts, but you oversimplify the situation. It would be far worse for Microsoft to move in & grab them up, that would really put some serious hurt on Apple.
No they don't.
You don't buy a company that bad and dump in tens of billions on a whim. Apple will design ideas they think Sony should have made and release them for the Mac Platform.
Steve has admired certain parts of Sony all the way back when we were at NeXT. He even mentioned a few times during the merger with Apple [back when SONY was hot] how Apple could be the next SONY.
Apple has far surpassed the next SONY.
No. They won't waste their assets on the past. They are learning where SONY fails and moving into new frontiers.
How many times will we hear about Steve's kurt and inappropriate comments? Is it not enough to be leading one of the highest valued companies? His narcissistic personality was old last century and I can only hope that his "handlers" would get a tighter rein on him. I love their products even though many of them have had to be replaced because of poor quality control. But I am committed to the system and going over to a PC would be counterproductive. So, how about a little more innovation and a little less conversation.
Hearsay from a biased source. Wow. How many times will we hear from whiners who can't separate fact from hearsay, who would rather believe the worst of someone, especially someone an order of magnitude more successful and well-known. This continuing morbid fascination with the personality of Steve Jobs, known for his intensity and directness, is really rather silly. How in fact did you get to "narcissistic personality"? And as compared to whom? What CEO is not driven, direct and intense? Know any personally in the Fortune 10? 100? 500? You sound more "trapped" than committed. Perhaps a change is in order, because I can deduce from your comments that you would rather deal with the "quality control" of say Dell, or Acer or HP - who have much better QC than Apple. Don't they? So how about some tolerance for diversity in personality? How about lauding the personalities that drive innovation (not worship, just laud) and chuckle with a knowing wink when the Gateses, the Ballmerses, the Jobses, Schmidtses and so on demonstrate a little personality and intensity. Even when it is most rumor and innuendo.
And why WOULDN'T Microsoft try to cherry-pick Bungie - a demonstrated hit maker to bring a strong game to the nascent XBox system? It was a double win because it took away a game developer from the Mac platform as well - very clever monkey-man! This is corporate life folks and if it pissed off Steveo - well there you go, why not pile on while Jobsie is try to pull Apple out of the grave. C'mon, this is how corporations play -it ain't nice pretty and polite, except when absolutely necessary. You think this is bad you should try peeking into something like the finance industry...
A small fraction of that could have been his own offer and he wouldn't have to have had another of his infamous tantrums.
It's tough for some people when they learn that you can't have the world for free.
"Something is happening to Steve that's sad and not pretty."
- a friend of Steve's
http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?pro...le_Kingdom.txt
It is amazing that some people take the word of journalists which like lawyer and politicians, are considered survey after survey, the most untrusted of all vocations.
Interesting that the author of your reference, journalist Mark Moritz, has other points of view in Bloomberg's 45 minute TV show, "Bloomberg Game Changers: Steve Jobs," now that he is a venture capitalist.
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
The author of the article I cited was Andy Hertzfeld. Ever heard of him? He's not a venture capitalist.
The quote I used from Mr. Hertzfeld's article was from a friend of Steve's, not the journalist.
I made no reference to anything Mr. Moritz wrote at all, then or now. That's your own distraction.
The quote I used from that article was merely to show how little things change - here's one from a very recent Apple employee:
No one greets him or says hi to him. Low ranking employees are afraid of him. I remember him walking around the campus one time and groups of people in his way would just split and let him walk through.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...-return-2009-8
No, that first-hand account didn't give their name either. When dealing with Jobs, all fear being wished into the corn field.
There was never any mention that this was going to be a "Mac Only" game.
It was originally scheduled to come out on the Mac first.
It was not scheduled to be released on the Mac first, it was always intended to be released simultaneously (both Mac and Windows). I know this because I heard their pitch at E3 before it was announced at macworld later that year.
Helpful Link: http://pc.ign.com/articles/068/068975p1.html
It is one thing to buy a company and change it market direction, however it is another thing when a bunch a companies think it is too costly to make product for your products.
I think MS is living the results of their actions in the past, and Job is a lot more savvy how he did it.
Steve Jobs may be highly demanding. But to characterize him as mercurial, is totally without foundation.
mer·cu·ri·al
mer-kyoor-ee-uhl
?adjective
1.
changeable; volatile; fickle; flighty; erratic: a mercurial nature.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mercurial
Who are you talking about
The only ones crying today are Microsoft and Bungie.
Certainly not Apple.
I meant Jobs. Not y'all. Sorry.
I speak English good.
There was never any mention that this was going to be a "Mac Only" game.
It was originally scheduled to come out on the Mac first.
What about my comment warrants your response?
Did I say it was going to be Mac Only or did I say Microsoft brought it to a larger audience than Mac ever would?
I have a feeling once the company saw all that cash in front of them and the prospect of such a large user base, they couldn't give less of a shit about whether it was intended as Mac-Only.
I'm merely pointing out why the company sold out in the first place, and why Jobs scream fest didn't matter for Halo.
Microsoft managed to bring that game to far more people than it would have seen on a Mac.
In your opinion.
In fact Apple sold a lot more Macs in the time frame than Microsoft has sold Xbox.
Lots of the early adopters of Xbox bought it for Halo, do you think they may have bought Macs instead maybe?
and where is the Apple Pippin2?
Unless Apple is developing a home console, I don't know what company is gonna write a AAA game made only for the Mac.
Games need only a subset of OS instructions, I suspect Apple's gaming aspirations are better suited to future iterations of iOS than OS X.
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It's most definitely true. It was one of the most egregious examples of poaching in the industry.
The first anyone heard of Halo, was when Steve Jobs introduced it on stage at an Apple event. It stunned the crowd because at the time it was beyond leading edge graphics and so forth. He finished the announcement with a statement that it was coming "exclusively to the mac" in the near future.
You don't get any closer to a "done deal" than that, but then Microsoft bought them out from underneath Apple for the express purpose of shutting Apple out.
It was a very dirty deal IMO. I'm not sure who's most at fault, Bungie or Microsoft, but someone (probably lots of someones) seriously compromised their morals with this deal.
You can thank the recent (last 20 years) decimation of antitrust enforcement in this country. With the settlement of the suit against Microsoft, the government made it clear that violating antitrust laws could be done nearly with impunity. Sad.
For cripes sake, that was 10 years ago.
And do you know what the definition of narcissistic really means. For a person who has helped drive down the prices of software, hardware, music, wireless data plans, etc., than anyone else, you call him selfish.
Can you name one company that Apple bought out in an attempt to crush the competition to the technology?
Er...Finger Works?
You can thank the recent (last 20 years) decimation of antitrust enforcement in this country. With the settlement of the suit against Microsoft, the government made it clear that violating antitrust laws could be done nearly with impunity. Sad.
This statement is way far overboard. For one thing, the antitrust suit against Microsoft was filed during the Clinton administration. That was quite a bit less than 20 years ago. Antitrust law enforcement was hardly decimated at that time. For another, it's hardly clear that Microsoft buying Bungie was any kind of antitrust law violation. In fact it's nothing more than a fantasy. Finally, we've had several thread full of cranky posts about the FTC's investigating claims against Apple, as though the entire capitalist system is under threat the moment the FTC even looks into a complaint. Sounds like we're experiencing a whole lot of wanting to have it both ways.
The author of the article I cited was Andy Hertzfeld. Ever heard of him? He's not a venture capitalist.
The quote I used from Mr. Hertzfeld's article was from a friend of Steve's, not the journalist.
I made no reference to anything Mr. Moritz wrote at all, then or now. That's your own distraction.
The quote I used from that article was merely to show how little things change - here's one from a very recent Apple employee:
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...-return-2009-8
No, that first-hand account didn't give their name either. When dealing with Jobs, all fear being wished into the corn field.
You are correct. It was in an anecdote written in 1982. Two years before the intro of the Mac.
"The (Time) cover story did include another profile of Steve Jobs, containing some comments that were less than complimentary. One unspecified friend was quoted saying "something is happening to Steve that's sad and not pretty", but the best quote was attributed to Jef Raskin: "He would have made an excellent King of France."
Obviously, I attributed an anecdote written by another about an article written by another journalist.
No wonder people can't trust the media.
Er...Finger Works?
Yeah, and then you have all the suggestions that Apple should buy Adobe and kill off their Windows products.