Many of these law suits would not be filed if the plaintiff had to pay the defendants legal costs should the courts not find for the plaintiff. Many of these cases are started on the speculation of having the defendant pay up as it is cheaper than fighting the charge. As a result we all pay while shysters grow rich.
if Apple can get enough of the top firms on board that should be pretty amusing from the perspective of locking up a big chunk of top talent to work on existing Apple litigation and unavailable to someone else wanting to sue Apple...
Yes, this is a well-known strategy.
Apple actually needs to utilize top talent (not just lock them up), though, because the Google situation is difficult to prosecute. For example, Apple has iPhone patents covering a combination of software plus somewhat-generic hardware, and Google only provides software. The sw+hw combinations that actually infringe on Apple's patents are manufactured by HTC, Motorola, etc. Google gets off by saying they provide free software, and this software could be used with other hardware that doesn't infringe on Apple's patents. It's potentially a loophole in the law (I am not a lawyer). Perhaps Apple can find a way to prove intent on Google's part to aid and abet handset manufacturers in infringing.
You have to protect your ideas when you are a leader in innovation. It's not like Apple doesn't have the money in the bank to protect their interests. Besides, we live in a litigation society and CEO's have to protect their stock prices and the public can be influences by rumors of wrong doing as much as anticipated products when buying stocks. I watched the movie "Micheal Clayton" last week and it is a great example of how far some Corporations may go to protect their image.
Many of these law suits would not be filed if the plaintiff had to pay the defendants legal costs should the courts not find for the plaintiff. Many of these cases are started on the speculation of having the defendant pay up as it is cheaper than fighting the charge. As a result we all pay while shysters grow rich.
None of these law suits would be filed if HTC and Motorola didn't manufacture devices that infringe on Apple's intellectual property.
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that. ...
True, they aren't just looking at Apple; they will copy from anyone with what seems like a good idea.
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
This is one of the more intelligent ideas i've heard about this
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
Google hired former Sun engineers who divulged Sun's proprietary knowledge in the creation of the Dalvik JVM for Android. - Guilty.
Google doesn't have spy cameras they have photocopiers. They wait till Apple releases a product and then copy it. Look at Android pre-iPhone vs. post-iPhone. - Guilty
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
there is plenty of reason to think not only did Google have spy cameras, but they had a mole on the Apple Board.... but sadly it's google... it's either a beta (with a promise to update soon....sound like android anyone) or it's a shabby imitation. One has to look no further than GoogleTV and their unstable Android.
Google hired former Sun engineers who divulged Sun's proprietary knowledge in the creation of the Dalvik JVM for Android. - Guilty.
Google doesn't have spy cameras they have photocopiers. They wait till Apple releases a product and then copy it. Look at Android pre-iPhone vs. post-iPhone. - Guilty
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
there is plenty of reason to think not only did Google have spy cameras, but they had a mole on the Apple Board.... but sadly it's google... it's either a beta (with a promise to update soon....sound like android anyone) or it's a shabby imitation. One has to look no further than GoogleTV and their unstable Android.
That is so short sighted. Google have one product that competes with apple, which they do not directly make money from, the world over and one other just released in the US in google TV that is debatable whether is competes with apple.
If they were spying they would surely have copied more of apples 'great' innovations.
This really is a sad state of affairs. Apple are very good at making products that are 'better' in a lot of people's eyes so why can't they just stick to this?
All this litigation is going to hurt everyone in the end. Even if apple successfully closes down the competition through litigation which let's be honest will never happen, then as consumers we are left with no decent competition. However much of a fan boy you are, if there was only apple then apple wouldn't be so 'good'
This just screams desperation on apple's part. This time next year apple will still be the most profitable smart phone maker but android will be in a much better position in terms of number of users and speed of growth.
Apple is not trying to close down the competition through litigation... they are simply protecting their innovation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. In fact, they only started all this litigation because other companies got pissy and started suing them first!!
Don't make Apple out to be the bad guy in this scenario... they aren't.
Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
Simply being better won't be good enough if they spend all the time and resources that are required for rnd and then not answer a challenge when someone comes along to take what wasn't theirs to take in the first place.
Heh...if Apple can get enough of the top firms on board that should be pretty amusing from the perspective of locking up a big chunk of top talent to work on existing Apple litigation and unavailable to someone else wanting to sue Apple...
Retainers create conflict of interest. You don't have to actually hire them in order to deny access to those same law firms by your opponents.
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
He didn't say "Google android". He just said "android".
And there was an Android before Google.
Wikipedia:
"Android is a mobile operating system initially developed by Android Inc., a firm purchased by Google in 2005.[4] Android is based upon a modified version of the Linux kernel. Google and other members of the Open Handset Alliance collaborated to develop and release Android to the world."
I think what people are saying is that Google bought Android Inc. and have been the driving force behind many innovations made by Apple being folded into later iterations of Android.
And do we have to call each other idiots if we don't agree, or think they don't have their information correct, even when sometimes it is US who don't have the information correct in our reply?
No, we don't.
Edit: I see Johnny made mention of Android being around in 2005 before I finished my post.
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Oh, I'm a monkey now?
If you don't like someone's opinion, that's your problem. It doesn't mean you need to call them names over it like a child.
if Apple can get enough of the top firms on board that should be pretty amusing from the perspective of locking up a big chunk of top talent to work on existing Apple litigation and unavailable to someone else wanting to sue Apple...
Yes, this is a well-known strategy.
Apple actually needs to utilize top talent (not just lock them up), though, because the Google situation is difficult to prosecute. For example, Apple has iPhone patents covering a combination of software plus somewhat-generic hardware, and Google only provides software. The sw+hw combinations that actually infringe on Apple's patents are manufactured by HTC, Motorola, etc. Google gets off by saying they provide free software, and this software could be used with other hardware that doesn't infringe on Apple's patents. It's potentially a loophole in the law (I am not a lawyer). Perhaps Apple can find a way to prove intent on Google's part to aid and abet handset manufacturers in infringing.
Many of these law suits would not be filed if the plaintiff had to pay the defendants legal costs should the courts not find for the plaintiff. Many of these cases are started on the speculation of having the defendant pay up as it is cheaper than fighting the charge. As a result we all pay while shysters grow rich.
None of these law suits would be filed if HTC and Motorola didn't manufacture devices that infringe on Apple's intellectual property.
You have mentioned 'notifications' a couple of times.
What do you see as Apple's problem with their solution, e.g., as outlined here http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-9964040-2.html ?
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that. ...
True, they aren't just looking at Apple; they will copy from anyone with what seems like a good idea.
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
This is one of the more intelligent ideas i've heard about this
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
Google hired former Sun engineers who divulged Sun's proprietary knowledge in the creation of the Dalvik JVM for Android. - Guilty.
Google doesn't have spy cameras they have photocopiers. They wait till Apple releases a product and then copy it. Look at Android pre-iPhone vs. post-iPhone. - Guilty
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
there is plenty of reason to think not only did Google have spy cameras, but they had a mole on the Apple Board.... but sadly it's google... it's either a beta (with a promise to update soon....sound like android anyone) or it's a shabby imitation. One has to look no further than GoogleTV and their unstable Android.
Google hired former Sun engineers who divulged Sun's proprietary knowledge in the creation of the Dalvik JVM for Android. - Guilty.
Google doesn't have spy cameras they have photocopiers. They wait till Apple releases a product and then copy it. Look at Android pre-iPhone vs. post-iPhone. - Guilty
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
there is plenty of reason to think not only did Google have spy cameras, but they had a mole on the Apple Board.... but sadly it's google... it's either a beta (with a promise to update soon....sound like android anyone) or it's a shabby imitation. One has to look no further than GoogleTV and their unstable Android.
That is so short sighted. Google have one product that competes with apple, which they do not directly make money from, the world over and one other just released in the US in google TV that is debatable whether is competes with apple.
If they were spying they would surely have copied more of apples 'great' innovations.
This really is a sad state of affairs. Apple are very good at making products that are 'better' in a lot of people's eyes so why can't they just stick to this?
All this litigation is going to hurt everyone in the end. Even if apple successfully closes down the competition through litigation which let's be honest will never happen, then as consumers we are left with no decent competition. However much of a fan boy you are, if there was only apple then apple wouldn't be so 'good'
This just screams desperation on apple's part. This time next year apple will still be the most profitable smart phone maker but android will be in a much better position in terms of number of users and speed of growth.
Apple is not trying to close down the competition through litigation... they are simply protecting their innovation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. In fact, they only started all this litigation because other companies got pissy and started suing them first!!
Don't make Apple out to be the bad guy in this scenario... they aren't.
You .....
You unnecessarily call people trolls and then do this.
If you cant innovate, litigate
same unfounded comment, different poster, a little bit repetitive around here.
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
http://www.handcellphone.com/archive...sdk-sneak-peek
Google acquired Android in 2005 and started work on a phoneOS long before the iPhone was announced.
Thing was Android looked just like every other phone OS that came before it.
That was until...the iPhone came out.
Google did a 180 degree turn and suddenly Android started looking just like iOS.
PS. Android's lead UI designer/engineer back then was the guy who gave us WebTV! No wonder it was so cutting edge.
Agreed.
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Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
Simply being better won't be good enough if they spend all the time and resources that are required for rnd and then not answer a challenge when someone comes along to take what wasn't theirs to take in the first place.
Heh...if Apple can get enough of the top firms on board that should be pretty amusing from the perspective of locking up a big chunk of top talent to work on existing Apple litigation and unavailable to someone else wanting to sue Apple...
Retainers create conflict of interest. You don't have to actually hire them in order to deny access to those same law firms by your opponents.
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
He didn't say "Google android". He just said "android".
And there was an Android before Google.
Wikipedia:
"Android is a mobile operating system initially developed by Android Inc., a firm purchased by Google in 2005.[4] Android is based upon a modified version of the Linux kernel. Google and other members of the Open Handset Alliance collaborated to develop and release Android to the world."
I think what people are saying is that Google bought Android Inc. and have been the driving force behind many innovations made by Apple being folded into later iterations of Android.
And do we have to call each other idiots if we don't agree, or think they don't have their information correct, even when sometimes it is US who don't have the information correct in our reply?
No, we don't.
Edit: I see Johnny made mention of Android being around in 2005 before I finished my post.