WebTV's UI designer was Keith Olhfs, the father of NeXTSTEP.
And that's why we use Coca and not NeXTSTEP
Actually, NeXTSTEP wasn't that bad, esp. for it's time. Web TV primarily suffered from the indignities of trying to stuff a computer desktop OS into a TV.
Which is why GoogleTV will flop and never get traction.
I think Apple's approach with AirPlay is the right one - treat the TV as a display.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
The screenshots in the article I linked to were official publicity photos released by Google.
This WAS what Google planned to release until the iPhone changed everything.
It has proper multi-tasking. It's multi-tasking design is proper for an embedded system designed for high battery life and minimum power consumption. Voice actions are a joke.
Widgets? Who wants Dashboard in iOS? Seriously, they suck in Linux [KDE/GNOME] and they are slick but barely used in OS X.
Define non-intrusive notification system.
I don't need to define this as it has been stated on this forum a number of times, but anyway:
A notification system that does not feel the need to interrupt whatever you are doing to throw a message over your screen. A notification system that provides a history of notifications.
The screenshots in the article I linked to were official publicity photos released by Google.
This WAS what Google planned to release until the iPhone changed everything.
Do you not understand what android is?
Android is a mobile operating system designed to work for all form factors, keyboards, touch screen, sliders. You are as good as saying every touch screen phone copied the iPhone!
The T-mobile g1 for god sake had a keyboard and touchscreen. It is completely different to the original iPhone. Define how android looks like the iPhone? You surely don't mean it has icons representing apps that you touch to open? Because that was not apple's idea!
Apple is a master in finding existing devices and adapting them to suit the public taste. They did it with mp3 players, with laptops and with pc's not to mention tablets and phones. They have never invented anything from scratch and why should they? The problem is that if you start copying concepts you get sued and if you refine existing ideas others will copy you r refinements so you need to sue them. The US is the ultimate lawyerocracy so off course Apple wants to have the best of the best on their side. They start to look more and more like a cross between Scientology and North Korea. Now if only North Korea made such nice products, they wouldn't have to be so evil
With all due respect, the notion that Android can be "shut down" simply because its innovative, and Apple is suing Android manufacturers, is a little simple minded. If there is a financial incentive to use Android other than "its free", then vendors WILL PAY to use various patents. Notice that this report talks about how many people are suing Apple. Reread that. Many of these should ALSO be suing Android manufacturers too (except in the cases where they ARE Android manufacturers). Let's be honest though... until this year, few IF ANY of the patent lawsuits against Apple have been from competitors. They've been from patent holders that could easily sue Android device makers as well.
So, again... let's acknowledge that this is a complicated issue. Apple can't afford to be sued by Nokia and Motorola and not have court validated patents in its arsenal. Look at the ORDER of who started suing who first. Apple sued HTC in order to strengthen its position against Nokia. People thought they would sue Palm for a good long time, and it never happened. Android isn't really threatening Apple yet... as Apple hasn't even been able to keep up with demand and Android is only beginning to attract the attention of patent holders. HTC is now paying Microsoft, and others are paying more and more as this crazy year continues.
Anyone wanting to cast the lawsuits this year as "Apple is frightened of Android growth" isn't reading the news right. If Nokia and Apple had settled this year, the HTC suit would never have happened. Moreover, if there is ANY COMPANY trying to sue Android into oblivion... its Microsoft, and their CEO has officially gone on record saying Android "isn't free" and that Android manfucturers will have to pay for patents. Moreover... Google has turned around and said that the mere existence of Windows Phone 7 is simply "political" and suggested Microsoft should just use Android (via Andy Ruben).
Apple is mostly offended by people that are attempting to create a false narrative in the media (from their perspective). Whether its "Thoughts on Flash" or an Earnings Call feature Steve Jobs saying 7" tablets are DOA. Apple has a strategy, and they're willing to map out their vision in the public, so people don't keep thinking they have their heads in the sand (they just have a different strategy).
Meanwhile, Google has a string of high profile failures other than its search engine and its Ad network. Google Wave is a failure. Google TV will be a failure. Android will live on, because it has neat features, but is so "open" as to present an apocalyptic fragmentation footprint beginning next year (when this years explosive growth takes it toll). I have no doubt, Google is trying to figure out how to spin next years' fragmentation crisis. By only measuring it by those able to access the Android Market (and filtering out everyone else who's unauthorized... official UA strings), I feel like Google is hiding a lot of data about its meta-platform.
~ CB
Android is making huge inroads with phones for personal use but as a business device it is a flaming piece of poo. I know there are people who will disagree with me because it's "customizable" but not every company cares to put a developer on Android integration. We are increasingly considering dropping support of Android phones at our work place because of all the issues they have integrating with our systems, not to mention the fragmentation of versions that makes them unpredictable at best for simple setups such as e-mail or wifi.
At the end of the day businesses aren't going to waste man hours trying to sort out Google's integration issues, they don't waste money on people's personal preferences. I think increasingly we will see android users reverting to BBerry, iPhone, or (heaven forbid) Win Mobile devices because their companies are telling them tough luck on getting their e-mail or connecting to company wifi. This will at least be true in the US I think, around the world is quite a different matter.
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WebTV's UI designer was Keith Olhfs, the father of NeXTSTEP.
And that's why we use Coca and not NeXTSTEP
Actually, NeXTSTEP wasn't that bad, esp. for it's time. Web TV primarily suffered from the indignities of trying to stuff a computer desktop OS into a TV.
Which is why GoogleTV will flop and never get traction.
I think Apple's approach with AirPlay is the right one - treat the TV as a display.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
The screenshots in the article I linked to were official publicity photos released by Google.
This WAS what Google planned to release until the iPhone changed everything.
It has proper multi-tasking. It's multi-tasking design is proper for an embedded system designed for high battery life and minimum power consumption. Voice actions are a joke.
Widgets? Who wants Dashboard in iOS? Seriously, they suck in Linux [KDE/GNOME] and they are slick but barely used in OS X.
Define non-intrusive notification system.
I don't need to define this as it has been stated on this forum a number of times, but anyway:
A notification system that does not feel the need to interrupt whatever you are doing to throw a message over your screen. A notification system that provides a history of notifications.
The screenshots in the article I linked to were official publicity photos released by Google.
This WAS what Google planned to release until the iPhone changed everything.
Do you not understand what android is?
Android is a mobile operating system designed to work for all form factors, keyboards, touch screen, sliders. You are as good as saying every touch screen phone copied the iPhone!
The T-mobile g1 for god sake had a keyboard and touchscreen. It is completely different to the original iPhone. Define how android looks like the iPhone? You surely don't mean it has icons representing apps that you touch to open? Because that was not apple's idea!
With all due respect, the notion that Android can be "shut down" simply because its innovative, and Apple is suing Android manufacturers, is a little simple minded. If there is a financial incentive to use Android other than "its free", then vendors WILL PAY to use various patents. Notice that this report talks about how many people are suing Apple. Reread that. Many of these should ALSO be suing Android manufacturers too (except in the cases where they ARE Android manufacturers). Let's be honest though... until this year, few IF ANY of the patent lawsuits against Apple have been from competitors. They've been from patent holders that could easily sue Android device makers as well.
So, again... let's acknowledge that this is a complicated issue. Apple can't afford to be sued by Nokia and Motorola and not have court validated patents in its arsenal. Look at the ORDER of who started suing who first. Apple sued HTC in order to strengthen its position against Nokia. People thought they would sue Palm for a good long time, and it never happened. Android isn't really threatening Apple yet... as Apple hasn't even been able to keep up with demand and Android is only beginning to attract the attention of patent holders. HTC is now paying Microsoft, and others are paying more and more as this crazy year continues.
Anyone wanting to cast the lawsuits this year as "Apple is frightened of Android growth" isn't reading the news right. If Nokia and Apple had settled this year, the HTC suit would never have happened. Moreover, if there is ANY COMPANY trying to sue Android into oblivion... its Microsoft, and their CEO has officially gone on record saying Android "isn't free" and that Android manfucturers will have to pay for patents. Moreover... Google has turned around and said that the mere existence of Windows Phone 7 is simply "political" and suggested Microsoft should just use Android (via Andy Ruben).
Apple is mostly offended by people that are attempting to create a false narrative in the media (from their perspective). Whether its "Thoughts on Flash" or an Earnings Call feature Steve Jobs saying 7" tablets are DOA. Apple has a strategy, and they're willing to map out their vision in the public, so people don't keep thinking they have their heads in the sand (they just have a different strategy).
Meanwhile, Google has a string of high profile failures other than its search engine and its Ad network. Google Wave is a failure. Google TV will be a failure. Android will live on, because it has neat features, but is so "open" as to present an apocalyptic fragmentation footprint beginning next year (when this years explosive growth takes it toll). I have no doubt, Google is trying to figure out how to spin next years' fragmentation crisis. By only measuring it by those able to access the Android Market (and filtering out everyone else who's unauthorized... official UA strings), I feel like Google is hiding a lot of data about its meta-platform.
~ CB
Android is making huge inroads with phones for personal use but as a business device it is a flaming piece of poo. I know there are people who will disagree with me because it's "customizable" but not every company cares to put a developer on Android integration. We are increasingly considering dropping support of Android phones at our work place because of all the issues they have integrating with our systems, not to mention the fragmentation of versions that makes them unpredictable at best for simple setups such as e-mail or wifi.
At the end of the day businesses aren't going to waste man hours trying to sort out Google's integration issues, they don't waste money on people's personal preferences. I think increasingly we will see android users reverting to BBerry, iPhone, or (heaven forbid) Win Mobile devices because their companies are telling them tough luck on getting their e-mail or connecting to company wifi. This will at least be true in the US I think, around the world is quite a different matter.