None of these law suits would be filed if HTC and Motorola didn't manufacture devices that infringe on Apple's intellectual property.
Errr........I think you got that exactly backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that are found to infringe on other company's unintellectual property.
From the story:
Apple, the most-sued technology company in the world ...
Apple has been bombarded with lawsuits in recent years, facing 27 new patent infringement suits filed in 2009 alone.
You unnecessarily call people trolls and then do this.
Posters like her totally ruin this forum. They think that if they call somebody a "troll", they can then say whatever nasty thing that pops into their head.
Posters like her totally ruin this forum. They think that if they call somebody a "troll", they can then say whatever nasty thing that pops into their head.
Looks like he's back. Do the google translation of his handle from Chinese to [your language]
He didn't say "Google android". He just said "android".
And there was an Android before Google.
Wikipedia:
"Android is a mobile operating system initially developed by Android Inc., a firm purchased by Google in 2005.[4] Android is based upon a modified version of the Linux kernel. Google and other members of the Open Handset Alliance collaborated to develop and release Android to the world."
I think what people are saying is that Google bought Android Inc. and have been the driving force behind many innovations made by Apple being folded into later iterations of Android.
And do we have to call each other idiots if we don't agree, or think they don't have their information correct, even when sometimes it is US who don't have the information correct in our reply?
No, we don't.
Edit: I see Johnny made mention of Android being around in 2005 before I finished my post.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
Does Eric Schmidt ring a bell?. Also you might want to watch the interview with Steve Jobs at D8. Steve Jobs talks little about the beginnings of iPad and iPhone, the idea being created in the early 2000's and worked on for several years.
Errr........I think you got that exactly backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that are found to infringe on other company's unintellectual property.
I think you got that backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that completely disrupted the stodgy smartphone market that existed for years.
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
If it was important, I would either remember it or address it immediately.
If I address it immediately, I can return to my previous activity equally as fast. That or dismiss it, and like any other time I have beeb interrupted, I tend to remember what, why, where and how.
Based on limited first hand experience and much of what I have read, Android is not without having its problems with their notification system.
I hesitate to agree with you on Apple providing a notification list as I have more than seen my share of emails that were never acknowledge, to do lists that where never completed or as most parents will tell you, the longer the chore list, the greater that nothing is done period.
Personally, I have found that most of my notifications are dismissed. Not that they were not important, they were just not relevant at the time.
Apple has decided to construct their notification process based not only on well researched attitudinal studies but with the primary focus in mind, i.e., keep it simple to start and don't drain the battery while attempting to find the ideal way to accomplish it.
From what I have seen, the competition, in order to catch up, just keeps throwing in the kitchen sink. Unfortunately, the give little consideration on how to keep it clean if and when someone messes it up.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
It has proper multi-tasking. It's multi-tasking design is proper for an embedded system designed for high battery life and minimum power consumption. Voice actions are a joke.
Widgets? Who wants Dashboard in iOS? Seriously, they suck in Linux [KDE/GNOME] and they are slick but barely used in OS X.
I've been using a couple of Android phones, the notifications aren't that crash hot, you still have to unlock the lock screen, swipe down, select what it is, which is not really any better than an iPhone.
Android is like a cheap, copycat wannabe of thr real thing.
The keyboard is probably the most annoying thing about it.
The Apps aren't very good, the interface is not very smooth, live wallpapers are a useless gimmick.
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Originally Posted by sacrilegend
Agreed.
This is a really sad affair, as I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall. While Apple might offer the most stable platform, they sure could learn a few things by emulating some of its functions (notifications, namely).
Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
The only litigation Apple instigated is against HTC, all the others are DEFENSIVE actions.
But, what the hey, history is there to be rewritten.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjw
This really is a sad state of affairs. Apple are very good at making products that are 'better' in a lot of people's eyes so why can't they just stick to this?
All this litigation is going to hurt everyone in the end. Even if apple successfully closes down the competition through litigation which let's be honest will never happen, then as consumers we are left with no decent competition. However much of a fan boy you are, if there was only apple then apple wouldn't be so 'good'
This just screams desperation on apple's part. This time next year apple will still be the most profitable smart phone maker but android will be in a much better position in terms of number of users and speed of growth.
Corporations plonk down millions, sometimes billions, in order to develop new and exciting products. Take all those cool video games, and the new Call of Duty: Black Ops.
Activision-Blizzard is the owner of the Call of Duty franchise. They spend millions of dollars developing each and every version of it. Let's say it were legal for someone to buy Call of Duty, copy it, and then sell those copies and make money off of them. What incentive would Activision-Blizzard have to expend effort to bring such exciting games to the market, only to watch people copy them and steal revenue from Activision?
This is how patents drive innovation. Basically, the law gives inventors a set of legal tools to protect their revenue stream. By giving inventors these protections, they have an incentive to continue to innovate.
This is a really sad affair, as I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall. While Apple might offer the most stable platform, they sure could learn a few things by emulating some of its functions (notifications, namely).
Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
Corporation A develops a new and exciting product. Corporation B uses technologies from that product to create a product that competes with Corporation A's product.
How is Corporation A supposed to beat Corporation B's product by "simply being better" when Corporation B simply copies technologies that Corporation A spent hard cash and time developing?
I won't spare anyone on this, not even Apple. If Apple has infringed on another's patents, then Apple should be made to pay.
I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall.
Ha! The only place Android is succeeding with any significance is in the US due to the AT&T exclusivity. In markets where it has to compete you see it basically ending up on devices by default due to two for one sales or other such nonsense. In every market it is offered, users have to choose the iPhone - often with a much more expensive data plan.
There are sales numbers, then there are sales numbers.
And Apple is the least of Android's problems. Google has a MAJOR problem with Oracle now owning Sun and thus Java. Their blatant rip off of Java with Davik is a huge liability.
Android is toast - and it will be Google's hubris that did it in, plain and simple. They gambled Sun would be too weak to pursue them. They didn't gamble on someone with deep pockets like Oracle buying them.
Apple is the 2nd most valuable company on the Dow Jones and they are desperate?
Are you sure you didn't meant to say beleaguered?
Unbelievable. So companies like Apple should just sit around and do nothing when others violate their intellectual property?
This isn't an issue of if you agree with software patents or not, or intellectual property in general - the facts are, this is our environment and Apple is morally, ethically and legally totally within their bounds.
Indeed, if they don't pursue some of these more flagrant violations, they risk their patents being invalidated, their value being harmed and lawsuits from shareholders.
At the end of the day, Apple is a publicly traded business, not a charity. They have a fiscal responsibility to operate in a sound and competent manner to their shareholders, as well as their employees. Criticizing them for exercising their rights because you have some political or philosophical disagreement with lawsuits and/or intellectual property law is stupid. If you don't like Apple's behavior, get the root causes of it changed or get yourself better educated so you really understand what is going on here.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
So the prototype Android phones that magically changed from looking like BlackBerry clones to iPhone clones, before the iPhone was announce, was based on.... magic?
It had nothing to do with a certain Apple board member who is no longer on the board? Hmm - must be nice to live in your world.
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
But there were prototypes! Wait a minute, where are all the Android fanbois that were pointing out Android was in development before the iPhone? Well, at least until others started circulating pictures of Android prototypes that were direct BlackBerry clones until they magically started to look like the iPhone
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http://www.handcellphone.com/archive...sdk-sneak-peek
Google acquired Android in 2005 and started work on a phoneOS long before the iPhone was announced.
Thing was Android looked just like every other phone OS that came before it.
That was until...the iPhone came out.
Google did a 180 degree turn and suddenly Android started looking just like iOS.
My thoughts exactly.
None of these law suits would be filed if HTC and Motorola didn't manufacture devices that infringe on Apple's intellectual property.
Errr........I think you got that exactly backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that are found to infringe on other company's unintellectual property.
From the story:
Apple, the most-sued technology company in the world ...
Apple has been bombarded with lawsuits in recent years, facing 27 new patent infringement suits filed in 2009 alone.
You unnecessarily call people trolls and then do this.
Posters like her totally ruin this forum. They think that if they call somebody a "troll", they can then say whatever nasty thing that pops into their head.
Posters like her totally ruin this forum. They think that if they call somebody a "troll", they can then say whatever nasty thing that pops into their head.
Looks like he's back. Do the google translation of his handle from Chinese to [your language]
He didn't say "Google android". He just said "android".
And there was an Android before Google.
Wikipedia:
"Android is a mobile operating system initially developed by Android Inc., a firm purchased by Google in 2005.[4] Android is based upon a modified version of the Linux kernel. Google and other members of the Open Handset Alliance collaborated to develop and release Android to the world."
I think what people are saying is that Google bought Android Inc. and have been the driving force behind many innovations made by Apple being folded into later iterations of Android.
And do we have to call each other idiots if we don't agree, or think they don't have their information correct, even when sometimes it is US who don't have the information correct in our reply?
No, we don't.
Edit: I see Johnny made mention of Android being around in 2005 before I finished my post.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
Software patents are a complete joke when they are not to do with an industrial process, that's why they are not granted in the EU. All of these competitors are out to make great products not rip off the competition.
Does Eric Schmidt ring a bell?. Also you might want to watch the interview with Steve Jobs at D8. Steve Jobs talks little about the beginnings of iPad and iPhone, the idea being created in the early 2000's and worked on for several years.
Looks like he's back. Do the google translation of his handle from Chinese to [your language]
"Apple Apple Apple." Good catch. He was on the job at 8 this morning. Now up to 15 already.
Errr........I think you got that exactly backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that are found to infringe on other company's unintellectual property.
I think you got that backwards. Most of these law suits were filed because Apple manufactures devices that completely disrupted the stodgy smartphone market that existed for years.
That article was from 2008. It is now 2010 and Apple's notification system has not improved much.
I think the biggest problem is that if you get a notification while you are in the middle of doing something important, you cant dismiss it and then go back later and see what it was.
Notifications lack a central unified app with a history.
I think one possible solution would be for all notifications to behave as SMS messages from iOS.
In the existing Messages.app Apple could add a sender named iOS.
All notifications from the iOS would appear like text messages.
If it was important, I would either remember it or address it immediately.
If I address it immediately, I can return to my previous activity equally as fast. That or dismiss it, and like any other time I have beeb interrupted, I tend to remember what, why, where and how.
Based on limited first hand experience and much of what I have read, Android is not without having its problems with their notification system.
I hesitate to agree with you on Apple providing a notification list as I have more than seen my share of emails that were never acknowledge, to do lists that where never completed or as most parents will tell you, the longer the chore list, the greater that nothing is done period.
Personally, I have found that most of my notifications are dismissed. Not that they were not important, they were just not relevant at the time.
Apple has decided to construct their notification process based not only on well researched attitudinal studies but with the primary focus in mind, i.e., keep it simple to start and don't drain the battery while attempting to find the ideal way to accomplish it.
From what I have seen, the competition, in order to catch up, just keeps throwing in the kitchen sink. Unfortunately, the give little consideration on how to keep it clean if and when someone messes it up.
http://www.handcellphone.com/archive...sdk-sneak-peek
Google acquired Android in 2005 and started work on a phoneOS long before the iPhone was announced.
Thing was Android looked just like every other phone OS that came before it.
That was until...the iPhone came out.
Google did a 180 degree turn and suddenly Android started looking just like iOS.
PS. Android's lead UI designer/engineer back then was the guy who gave us WebTV! No wonder it was so cutting edge.
WebTV's UI designer was Keith Olhfs, the father of NeXTSTEP.
I will happily take back my comment if you can show me a phone released to the public before the iPhone running GOOGLE android. Otherwise your argument is invalid.
In what way has android copied the iPhone? If you seriously suggesting a phone that has a capacitive touch screen means that they copied apple just because they were the first then that is pretty shallow. Hell I will throw out there that apple copied android with copy and paste and multitasking.
Let's just say if iOS ever gets proper multi tasking, a non intrusive notification system, voice actions (ie dictating emails, sms etc), widgets then by your standards apple is also copying android.
It has proper multi-tasking. It's multi-tasking design is proper for an embedded system designed for high battery life and minimum power consumption. Voice actions are a joke.
Widgets? Who wants Dashboard in iOS? Seriously, they suck in Linux [KDE/GNOME] and they are slick but barely used in OS X.
Define non-intrusive notification system.
Android is like a cheap, copycat wannabe of thr real thing.
The keyboard is probably the most annoying thing about it.
The Apps aren't very good, the interface is not very smooth, live wallpapers are a useless gimmick.
Agreed.
This is a really sad affair, as I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall. While Apple might offer the most stable platform, they sure could learn a few things by emulating some of its functions (notifications, namely).
Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
But, what the hey, history is there to be rewritten.
This really is a sad state of affairs. Apple are very good at making products that are 'better' in a lot of people's eyes so why can't they just stick to this?
All this litigation is going to hurt everyone in the end. Even if apple successfully closes down the competition through litigation which let's be honest will never happen, then as consumers we are left with no decent competition. However much of a fan boy you are, if there was only apple then apple wouldn't be so 'good'
This just screams desperation on apple's part. This time next year apple will still be the most profitable smart phone maker but android will be in a much better position in terms of number of users and speed of growth.
If you cant innovate, litigate
Corporations plonk down millions, sometimes billions, in order to develop new and exciting products. Take all those cool video games, and the new Call of Duty: Black Ops.
Activision-Blizzard is the owner of the Call of Duty franchise. They spend millions of dollars developing each and every version of it. Let's say it were legal for someone to buy Call of Duty, copy it, and then sell those copies and make money off of them. What incentive would Activision-Blizzard have to expend effort to bring such exciting games to the market, only to watch people copy them and steal revenue from Activision?
This is how patents drive innovation. Basically, the law gives inventors a set of legal tools to protect their revenue stream. By giving inventors these protections, they have an incentive to continue to innovate.
Agreed.
This is a really sad affair, as I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall. While Apple might offer the most stable platform, they sure could learn a few things by emulating some of its functions (notifications, namely).
Not that it's so simple, but Apple should do as it's always done: beat the competition by simply being better.
Corporation A develops a new and exciting product. Corporation B uses technologies from that product to create a product that competes with Corporation A's product.
How is Corporation A supposed to beat Corporation B's product by "simply being better" when Corporation B simply copies technologies that Corporation A spent hard cash and time developing?
I won't spare anyone on this, not even Apple. If Apple has infringed on another's patents, then Apple should be made to pay.
I think Android has become a pretty spectaular platform overall.
Ha! The only place Android is succeeding with any significance is in the US due to the AT&T exclusivity. In markets where it has to compete you see it basically ending up on devices by default due to two for one sales or other such nonsense. In every market it is offered, users have to choose the iPhone - often with a much more expensive data plan.
There are sales numbers, then there are sales numbers.
And Apple is the least of Android's problems. Google has a MAJOR problem with Oracle now owning Sun and thus Java. Their blatant rip off of Java with Davik is a huge liability.
Android is toast - and it will be Google's hubris that did it in, plain and simple. They gambled Sun would be too weak to pursue them. They didn't gamble on someone with deep pockets like Oracle buying them.
This just screams desperation on apple's part.
Apple is the 2nd most valuable company on the Dow Jones and they are desperate?
Are you sure you didn't meant to say beleaguered?
Unbelievable. So companies like Apple should just sit around and do nothing when others violate their intellectual property?
This isn't an issue of if you agree with software patents or not, or intellectual property in general - the facts are, this is our environment and Apple is morally, ethically and legally totally within their bounds.
Indeed, if they don't pursue some of these more flagrant violations, they risk their patents being invalidated, their value being harmed and lawsuits from shareholders.
At the end of the day, Apple is a publicly traded business, not a charity. They have a fiscal responsibility to operate in a sound and competent manner to their shareholders, as well as their employees. Criticizing them for exercising their rights because you have some political or philosophical disagreement with lawsuits and/or intellectual property law is stupid. If you don't like Apple's behavior, get the root causes of it changed or get yourself better educated so you really understand what is going on here.
This is ridiculous. Why is everyone making out that there is a team at google sitting with a spy camera on apple, looking to see what is coming next and then copying it. It does not happen like that.
So the prototype Android phones that magically changed from looking like BlackBerry clones to iPhone clones, before the iPhone was announce, was based on.... magic?
It had nothing to do with a certain Apple board member who is no longer on the board? Hmm - must be nice to live in your world.
Are you a complete idiot or does it just come out on these forums? There was no google android pre-iPhone!
But there were prototypes! Wait a minute, where are all the Android fanbois that were pointing out Android was in development before the iPhone? Well, at least until others started circulating pictures of Android prototypes that were direct BlackBerry clones until they magically started to look like the iPhone
same unfounded comment, different poster, a little bit repetitive around here.
That's why the ignore feature generally works well - except when people quote the entire text of the trolls