<strong>this is continued wastage. . .let's do get on with it and rise to the new chalenge of actually saying something with substane and or insight.
I know that my post was merely a thought but followed by this waste of words I feel I will repost it:
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As I said, don't like it, don't post to it or readit. The world will continue spinning as it always has. But maybe I will find something out that I did not know before and you will see something that you missed as well. Just because the universe is a big place does not mean we should ignore some very real issues facing us right now.
What you posted in your latest (locked) thread was already covered. Your re-posting it as evidence that Islam is evil illustrates your inability to approach this issue with intentions of real discussion.
<strong>What you posted in your latest (locked) thread was already covered. Your re-posting it as evidence that Islam is evil illustrates your inability to approach this issue with intentions of real discussion.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was attempting to reframe the conversation to narrow the focus and keep the conversation moving foreward. And no, it was not all covered. One passage out of 10+ is not fully covered. And there are more passages. However, as I stated in our other thread, I want to discuss the ones posted already, then we can move on to other verses. You said fine, and now you are backing down. Giving up?
[quote]one thing is for sure, the Universe is NOT as banal as mainstream religions would have us believe. <hr></blockquote>
Ah men! ... erm..I mean absolutely.
[quote] the Universe is stranger than we CAN imagine: it includes, and is constituted by, things we cannot even begin to understand given the state of our semi-evolved intelligences, questions we don't even know how to phrase.<hr></blockquote>
Is it just a coincidence that everytime we think we've got it ,or nearly have it additional levels of complexity are found? Within living memory people were conviced that the atom was the smallest particle that existed, now they are some kind of huge complex structure full of stuff there and not there at the same time!
Perhaps it's not an inability to imagine but rather everything itself is a product of imagination. Perhaps that paradox about changing things by observing them is pushing existance to evolve (sorry develop) as we inquire into them.
I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.
I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then again, you have lived for what 18-30 years of that time? And this makes you able to decide what drivel has gone before and what God thinks of it all? Hardly.
[quote] Then again, you have lived for what 18-30 years of that time? And this makes you able to decide what drivel has gone before and what God thinks of it all? Hardly. <hr></blockquote>
Well I believe that God is a creation of man not man of God...that makes trying to understand the beast a little easier perhaps. But suppose I am wrong what do you make of a creator able to create whatever it (that's not intentionally disrespectful I just didn't want to get into the he/she thong too!) wants, Makes us, flawed but with free will and watches for thousands of years to see how appalingly we treat eachother?
How too would you feel about the aetheist who without any faith lives a good life helps not hurts his fellow man and is condemned whereas a catholic priest can bugger children for years repent (truly repent) and be saved?
What argument is there apart from 'I believe because I believe'... that is more convincing than all religeon exists as:
How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, I?ll continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, I?ll continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If people really want hard breaking information they can visit <a href="http://www.cnn.com"; target="_blank">CNN.com</a>.
It will save your poor fingers from all of that ctrl-c ctrl-v stuff.
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, I?ll continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
I don?t blame where you are coming from. It?s hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.
This is horrible,why is there so much hate in the world? PC KILLA,what you are posting is not news,it is no more true than Protocol of the Elders of Zion.
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
I don?t blame where you are coming from. It?s hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very good post, i share your opinion, you have express it in a much better way that i could do.
The last sentance is very important for our future.
Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
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The difference is that mainstream Christians don't condone such actions.
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<strong>this is continued wastage. . .let's do get on with it and rise to the new chalenge of actually saying something with substane and or insight.
I know that my post was merely a thought but followed by this waste of words I feel I will repost it:
</strong><hr></blockquote>
As I said, don't like it, don't post to it or readit. The world will continue spinning as it always has. But maybe I will find something out that I did not know before and you will see something that you missed as well. Just because the universe is a big place does not mean we should ignore some very real issues facing us right now.
<strong>What you posted in your latest (locked) thread was already covered. Your re-posting it as evidence that Islam is evil illustrates your inability to approach this issue with intentions of real discussion.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was attempting to reframe the conversation to narrow the focus and keep the conversation moving foreward. And no, it was not all covered. One passage out of 10+ is not fully covered. And there are more passages. However, as I stated in our other thread, I want to discuss the ones posted already, then we can move on to other verses. You said fine, and now you are backing down. Giving up?
Ah men! ... erm..I mean absolutely.
[quote] the Universe is stranger than we CAN imagine: it includes, and is constituted by, things we cannot even begin to understand given the state of our semi-evolved intelligences, questions we don't even know how to phrase.<hr></blockquote>
Is it just a coincidence that everytime we think we've got it ,or nearly have it additional levels of complexity are found? Within living memory people were conviced that the atom was the smallest particle that existed, now they are some kind of huge complex structure full of stuff there and not there at the same time!
Perhaps it's not an inability to imagine but rather everything itself is a product of imagination. Perhaps that paradox about changing things by observing them is pushing existance to evolve (sorry develop) as we inquire into them.
I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.
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I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then again, you have lived for what 18-30 years of that time? And this makes you able to decide what drivel has gone before and what God thinks of it all? Hardly.
Well I believe that God is a creation of man not man of God...that makes trying to understand the beast a little easier perhaps. But suppose I am wrong what do you make of a creator able to create whatever it (that's not intentionally disrespectful I just didn't want to get into the he/she thong too!) wants, Makes us, flawed but with free will and watches for thousands of years to see how appalingly we treat eachother?
How too would you feel about the aetheist who without any faith lives a good life helps not hurts his fellow man and is condemned whereas a catholic priest can bugger children for years repent (truly repent) and be saved?
What argument is there apart from 'I believe because I believe'... that is more convincing than all religeon exists as:
1. a comfort
2. a method of social control
3. a powerbase.
rather than some divine revellation of truth?
P.S Do I really look that young? Why thank you.
[ 07-08-2002: Message edited by: Zarathustra ]</p>
mika.
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, I?ll continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If people really want hard breaking information they can visit <a href="http://www.cnn.com"; target="_blank">CNN.com</a>.
It will save your poor fingers from all of that ctrl-c ctrl-v stuff.
So, I vote NO.
J :cool:
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, I?ll continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?
mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
I don?t blame where you are coming from. It?s hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml"; target="_blank">here</a>.
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml"; target="_blank">here</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent site.
[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: Mike Ghost ]</p>
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India ? Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."
Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml"; target="_blank">here</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent sight
For such an innocent boy, you sure get around. Where did you pick up those dirty words? Not from Anders I hope?!
mika.
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I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent sight</strong><hr></blockquote>
touché
mika.
<strong>
Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
I don?t blame where you are coming from. It?s hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very good post, i share your opinion, you have express it in a much better way that i could do.
The last sentance is very important for our future.
When did start the islamist terrorism ?
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Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
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The difference is that mainstream Christians don't condone such actions.
Mainstream Israelis however Elected Ayatollah Sharon.
<strong>Nor do mainstream Mulsims.
Mainstream Israelis however Elected Ayatollah Sharon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Millions of Mainstream Muslims in the Middle East sure aren't visibly outraged.