<strong>Well Anders, it is a clash of civilizations. In Egypt 80% of women are circumcised. If you don't want to believe that 80% constitutes mainstream, you need a reality check. Women are ridiculously repressed in Middle Eastern Muslim culture. This isn't a simple misunderstanding. Their society simply is backward. I'm not afraid to say that. Imagine the outrage if, for instance, black people were treated the way women are treated in the Middle East. Well, then there would be some outrage.
It all boils down to oil and the pc movement that put politicians' balls in America's purse.</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]The Islam that condones terrorism and oppresses women.<hr></blockquote>
If you want to destroy cultures that oppress women and condone terrorism I'm afraid you're going to have to destroy a large portion of the human population.
If you want to destroy cultures that oppress women and condone terrorism I'm afraid you're going to have to destroy a large portion of the human population.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The difference is that mainstream Christians don't condone such actions.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea. However there was time in early twentieth century when the KKK infiltrated all walks a life including most Christian churches and political offices. In fact, there was old photograph where they march on Washington DC, scores upon scores of white sheets. Proud, full of mirth. It looked like a living cotton field. Did these walks of life or Christians condone it? No. Not necessarily. But they also say very little or take any strong stance on it. I not saying it didn?t happen, but they were a minority and gone mostly unheard.
Well, that was then, right?
Lets look at the Catholic Church today. The Vatican doesn?t understand all the resentment towards them. All they see is an action a few misguided men, and this should not reflect badly on the Church or its religion. That?s why they stare somewhat dumfounded at the press. Of course, they don?t condone it. Terrible as it is. Surely it?s not their fault, though. The horror for them is not a Priest molesting a boy. Is that it surface instead of being buried in of shed like a good?littl?o?rumor would be fifty-years ago.
So do I have problem with the Catholics? No, since I am one. Do I have problem with the Vatican? Again, no. Well, a little. They should have known better. However, like most organize religion, they have same flaws in common. Humanity.
Yea. However there was time in early twentieth century when the KKK infiltrated all walks a life including most Christian churches and political offices. In fact, there was old photograph where they march on Washington DC, scores upon scores of white sheets. Proud, full of mirth. It looked like a living cotton field. Did these walks of life or Christians condone it? No. Not necessarily. But they also say very little or take any strong stance on it. I not saying it didn?t happen, but they were a minority and gone mostly unheard.
Well, that was then, right?
Lets look at the Catholic Church today. The Vatican doesn?t understand all the resentment towards them. All they see is an action a few misguided men, and this should not reflect badly on the Church or its religion. That?s why they stare somewhat dumfounded at the press. Of course, they don?t condone it. Terrible as it is. Surely it?s not their fault, though. The horror for them is not a Priest molesting a boy. Is that it surface instead of being buried in of shed like a good?littl?o?rumor would be fifty-years ago.
So do I have problem with the Catholics? No, since I am one. Do I have problem with the Vatican? Again, no. Well, a little. They should have known better. However, like most organize religion, they have same flaws in common. Humanity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm talking about today. Look, don't get me wrong. I hate christianity just as much as any other religion. Evils have been committed by all. However, let's talk about the here and now because that is what matters.
<strong>Well Anders, it is a clash of civilizations. In Egypt 80% of women are circumcised. If you don't want to believe that 80% constitutes mainstream, you need a reality check. Women are ridiculously repressed in Middle Eastern Muslim culture. This isn't a simple misunderstanding. Their society simply is backward. I'm not afraid to say that. Imagine the outrage if, for instance, black people were treated the way women are treated in the Middle East. Well, then there would be some outrage.
It all boils down to oil and the pc movement that put politicians' balls in America's purse.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Speaking of circumcised. I was circumcised. For many years they told people that it was for, well, sanitary reasons, [I think?] Then a medical report came out a couple years ago stating that we were permanently desensitized. ---that we lost as much as thirty-five percent of our stimulation. Oh well, the things we don?t know. Of course, they didn?t ask me, or did I ask my daughter when me and my x-wife and I had her ears pierce when she was baby. We heard that it hurts less when they are young. So what do we do know? I do feel for women who so repressed and torture over seas, I?m appalled over virginal mutilation that?s being going on, and agree that some of them our backwards. However, we don?t have such an outstanding past either. Do you remember our first terrorist? Remember how we fought back? Do you remember when Colonel John Chivington lead the Third Colorado Calvary, a short-term volunteers who referred to themselves as "Hundred Dazers,? who swept down during the Sam Creek Massacre. After slaughtering Native American men, women and children? but on the women, they would take there knives, reached under women?s leather smock, cut around their lower lips of there vagina. They would then hang it over their saddle horns, some with as many as eleven or twelve. Now that something you won?t see American History Museum. So if you find your self in Museum, looking upon a little history, think about your patriotism then. I don?t mean to defer you from your beliefs but only to humble it. I do agree that women are treated very immoral in these countries but as they say: ?those who wish to be free must strike the first blow.? And I think we should help them when they do, but only for there sake. Not our own.
And I think we should help them when they do, but only for there sake. Not our own.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Of course. I don't see where I would have made you think otherwise. I never claimed that we are perfect--just that at this point in time we are better. Yes, atrocities have been committed by everyone. I understand that. However, again let's focus on the here and now.
The alleged beating took place July 3, according to reports. The brothers thought the boy did not take his Bible verses seriously enough during a church- sponsored summer camp for Spanish-speaking students, officials said.
Court records obtained by Reuters alleged that the beating lasted for 90 minutes, broke blood vessels and caused the boy's kidneys to fail. The brothers allowed the child to take a break in the restroom during the reported beating, documents said.
Since this happened in my city I've been asking around.
This church is self-described "fundamentalist" and "old-fashioned". Apparently beatings aren't uncommon there and the stick used to beat the crap out of this boy is called "The Rod", a not-so-clever allusion to:
Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
This is the crap I was talking about in the Dirty Bomb Scare thread, THIS is the crap fundamentalism breeds.
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What culture is this "culture of hatred" that you want destroyed?
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What culture is this "culture of hatred" that you want destroyed?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Islam that condones terrorism and oppresses women. Malosevic-esque ethnic cleansing. Et cetera.
[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
<strong>Well Anders, it is a clash of civilizations. In Egypt 80% of women are circumcised. If you don't want to believe that 80% constitutes mainstream, you need a reality check. Women are ridiculously repressed in Middle Eastern Muslim culture. This isn't a simple misunderstanding. Their society simply is backward. I'm not afraid to say that. Imagine the outrage if, for instance, black people were treated the way women are treated in the Middle East. Well, then there would be some outrage.
It all boils down to oil and the pc movement that put politicians' balls in America's purse.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is truth.
If you want to destroy cultures that oppress women and condone terrorism I'm afraid you're going to have to destroy a large portion of the human population.
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If you want to destroy cultures that oppress women and condone terrorism I'm afraid you're going to have to destroy a large portion of the human population.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So be it.
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So be it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You crazy bastard.
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So be it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So in order to make respect the humans rights of women you are ready to kill millions of people : interesting.
I am really impress by what people are ready do in the name of Good.
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So in order to make respect the humans rights of women you are ready to kill millions of people : interesting.
I am really impress by what people are ready do in the name of Good.
I'm being facetious when I say so be it. Destroying a culture != killing the people.
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You crazy bastard.
Groverat, your problem is you don't think big enough.
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Very good post, i share your opinion, you have express it in a much better way that i could do.
The last sentance is very important for our future.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you. It took me some time to edited though. :-)
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IMHO, this applies here as well.
- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>
IMHO, it does too.
But I have to keep this open, lest I be attacked for censoring religious discussion in AO.
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The difference is that mainstream Christians don't condone such actions.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea. However there was time in early twentieth century when the KKK infiltrated all walks a life including most Christian churches and political offices. In fact, there was old photograph where they march on Washington DC, scores upon scores of white sheets. Proud, full of mirth. It looked like a living cotton field. Did these walks of life or Christians condone it? No. Not necessarily. But they also say very little or take any strong stance on it. I not saying it didn?t happen, but they were a minority and gone mostly unheard.
Well, that was then, right?
Lets look at the Catholic Church today. The Vatican doesn?t understand all the resentment towards them. All they see is an action a few misguided men, and this should not reflect badly on the Church or its religion. That?s why they stare somewhat dumfounded at the press. Of course, they don?t condone it. Terrible as it is. Surely it?s not their fault, though. The horror for them is not a Priest molesting a boy. Is that it surface instead of being buried in of shed like a good?littl?o?rumor would be fifty-years ago.
So do I have problem with the Catholics? No, since I am one. Do I have problem with the Vatican? Again, no. Well, a little. They should have known better. However, like most organize religion, they have same flaws in common. Humanity.
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Yea. However there was time in early twentieth century when the KKK infiltrated all walks a life including most Christian churches and political offices. In fact, there was old photograph where they march on Washington DC, scores upon scores of white sheets. Proud, full of mirth. It looked like a living cotton field. Did these walks of life or Christians condone it? No. Not necessarily. But they also say very little or take any strong stance on it. I not saying it didn?t happen, but they were a minority and gone mostly unheard.
Well, that was then, right?
Lets look at the Catholic Church today. The Vatican doesn?t understand all the resentment towards them. All they see is an action a few misguided men, and this should not reflect badly on the Church or its religion. That?s why they stare somewhat dumfounded at the press. Of course, they don?t condone it. Terrible as it is. Surely it?s not their fault, though. The horror for them is not a Priest molesting a boy. Is that it surface instead of being buried in of shed like a good?littl?o?rumor would be fifty-years ago.
So do I have problem with the Catholics? No, since I am one. Do I have problem with the Vatican? Again, no. Well, a little. They should have known better. However, like most organize religion, they have same flaws in common. Humanity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm talking about today. Look, don't get me wrong. I hate christianity just as much as any other religion. Evils have been committed by all. However, let's talk about the here and now because that is what matters.
<strong>Well Anders, it is a clash of civilizations. In Egypt 80% of women are circumcised. If you don't want to believe that 80% constitutes mainstream, you need a reality check. Women are ridiculously repressed in Middle Eastern Muslim culture. This isn't a simple misunderstanding. Their society simply is backward. I'm not afraid to say that. Imagine the outrage if, for instance, black people were treated the way women are treated in the Middle East. Well, then there would be some outrage.
It all boils down to oil and the pc movement that put politicians' balls in America's purse.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Speaking of circumcised. I was circumcised. For many years they told people that it was for, well, sanitary reasons, [I think?] Then a medical report came out a couple years ago stating that we were permanently desensitized. ---that we lost as much as thirty-five percent of our stimulation. Oh well, the things we don?t know. Of course, they didn?t ask me, or did I ask my daughter when me and my x-wife and I had her ears pierce when she was baby. We heard that it hurts less when they are young. So what do we do know? I do feel for women who so repressed and torture over seas, I?m appalled over virginal mutilation that?s being going on, and agree that some of them our backwards. However, we don?t have such an outstanding past either. Do you remember our first terrorist? Remember how we fought back? Do you remember when Colonel John Chivington lead the Third Colorado Calvary, a short-term volunteers who referred to themselves as "Hundred Dazers,? who swept down during the Sam Creek Massacre. After slaughtering Native American men, women and children? but on the women, they would take there knives, reached under women?s leather smock, cut around their lower lips of there vagina. They would then hang it over their saddle horns, some with as many as eleven or twelve. Now that something you won?t see American History Museum. So if you find your self in Museum, looking upon a little history, think about your patriotism then. I don?t mean to defer you from your beliefs but only to humble it. I do agree that women are treated very immoral in these countries but as they say: ?those who wish to be free must strike the first blow.? And I think we should help them when they do, but only for there sake. Not our own.
And I think we should help them when they do, but only for there sake. Not our own.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Of course. I don't see where I would have made you think otherwise. I never claimed that we are perfect--just that at this point in time we are better. Yes, atrocities have been committed by everyone. I understand that. However, again let's focus on the here and now.
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/07/09/bible.study.beating/index.html"; target="_blank">Boy beaten unconscious by pastor for not taking Bible "seriously"</a>
The alleged beating took place July 3, according to reports. The brothers thought the boy did not take his Bible verses seriously enough during a church- sponsored summer camp for Spanish-speaking students, officials said.
Court records obtained by Reuters alleged that the beating lasted for 90 minutes, broke blood vessels and caused the boy's kidneys to fail. The brothers allowed the child to take a break in the restroom during the reported beating, documents said.
[ 07-10-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
This church is self-described "fundamentalist" and "old-fashioned". Apparently beatings aren't uncommon there and the stick used to beat the crap out of this boy is called "The Rod", a not-so-clever allusion to:
Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
This is the crap I was talking about in the Dirty Bomb Scare thread, THIS is the crap fundamentalism breeds.