Good point. Nice to see someone taking a step back to understand the situation before jumping in.
The app may very well be someone trying to take advantage of the situation. And how is this bad? How many apps are in the App Store that do the same thing? Enough. This is Apple censoring. After all Al Gore is on their Board of Directors. Yes it is Big Brother once again. Hopefully it will show up in Cydia. At least freedom still exists somewhere.
You should not be so judgmental: that would be like my telling you that you are perhaps part of a has-been generation.
We all know that time and time again, what passes off for 'classified,' what constitutes justification for 'war' (I am not referring to any particular war here), what constitutes 'reality,' what constitutes 'security,' and so forth are equally screwed-up.
Fwiw, I am closer to the has-been group than the 'new internet generation.'
Frankly, I'd rather be part of the 'has-been' generation than the 'dumbest generation' ;-)
The Constitution of the United States, particularly the First Amendment, made him king. Assange did not steal classified documents. Assange did not hire someone to steal them (as far as we know). But when the person that did steal these cables gave them to him, he published them. Just like any news media would have done. The problem is not with Assange. The problem is with irresponsible press - throughout the nation. Do you think a person is innocent until proven guilty? Well, before trial begins the news media has tried and convicted them. That person's life is ruined whether he is guilty or not. And yet the news media hides behind the First Amendment. Well, if it's good for irresponsible organizations like ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (yes, FOX, too), then it needs to be good for Assange, too. We either need to let the current freedom of the press continue to pump out irresponsible journalism, of change the First Amendment to hold everyone accountable. But changing the First Amendment is a dangerous road to go down.
The people complaining in this thread are displeased by Apple's actions. This thread is for that discussion, not arguing vocabulary. Besides, we don't know that the government isn't telling Apple and Amazon to remove specific content.
This is a bad path to be going down. People need to stop being obedient little slaves, realize that this will only get worse, and unite against it. Bickering amongst ourselves is exactly what allows these things to continue happening.
Good grief... in what way did your choice to purchase a product manufactured by a particular company, in a marketplace that is crowded with a multitude of alternative choices, any of which you were free to pursue... turn you into some form of 'obedient little slave'? How is it, exactly, that your participation in commerce become occasion for your enslavement?
I have it on good authority that Assange is actually a CIA operative who was given the documents to leak, mostly fake by the way, to divert the proletariat's attention away from the government's other hand... and to make "the people" believe that they actually have freedom of choice in their actions...
I have it on good authority that Assange is actually a CIA operative who was given the documents to leak, mostly fake by the way, to divert the proletariat's attention away from the government's other hand... and to make "the people" believe that they actually have freedom of choice in their actions...
Good grief, put down the bong and get some oxygen to your brain cells. Let's see - today I sat down and worked at the job I applied for, at the company I chose to work at, in the industry I chose to work within, in the discipline that I chose to pursue. Before that, I patted my toddler on the head (the one I and my wife chose to conceive) before he trotted off with his mommy to run about doing whatever they choose to do. Last I heard, nobody stopped them to inquire with respect to whether or not their plans had been approved by anyone.
Seems like I have had a lot of 'freedom of choice' in my 'actions'.
Listen, freedom is not the same thing as having no restrictions. The later is a characteristic of anarchism, but it's not surprising that you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Good grief, put down the bong and get some oxygen to your brain cells. Let's see - today I sat down and worked at the job I applied for, at the company I chose to work at, in the industry I chose to work within, in the discipline that I chose to pursue. Before that, I patted my toddler on the head (the one I and my wife chose to conceive) before he trotted off with his mommy to run about doing whatever they choose to do. Last I heard, nobody stopped them to inquire with respect to whether or not their plans had been approved by anyone.
Seems like I have had a lot of 'freedom of choice' in my 'actions'.
Listen, freedom is not the same thing as having no restrictions. The later is a characteristic of anarchism, but it's not surprising that you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
The Constitution of the United States, particularly the First Amendment, made him king. Assange did not steal classified documents. Assange did not hire someone to steal them (as far as we know). But when the person that did steal these cables gave them to him, he published them. Just like any news media would have done. The problem is not with Assange. The problem is with irresponsible press - throughout the nation. Do you think a person is innocent until proven guilty? Well, before trial begins the news media has tried and convicted them. That person's life is ruined whether he is guilty or not. And yet the news media hides behind the First Amendment. Well, if it's good for irresponsible organizations like ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (yes, FOX, too), then it needs to be good for Assange, too. We either need to let the current freedom of the press continue to pump out irresponsible journalism, of change the First Amendment to hold everyone accountable. But changing the First Amendment is a dangerous road to go down.
First off, Assange is not US citizen and his publication did not occur in the United States, so citing the Constitution in defense of his actions doesn't add up. Second, he has NOT done what "any news media would have done." In fact if you look at what the news media HAS done with the information, it was to publish stories about a select few of the documents and the issues they raised, in their proper context. They did not engage in a massive and random document-dump. This the difference between journalism and whatever it is that Assange is doing.
I don't know whether Assange can be successfully prosecuted in the US for the publication of these documents, no matter how he got them. That remains to be seen. He isn't in the US, and may never be extradited, so we may never find out what the government's case against him would be. So your attack on the news media for even telling us this story is not only premature, it's irresponsible.
BTW, what made him king is the internet. I thought that was blindingly obvious.
The people complaining in this thread are displeased by Apple's actions. This thread is for that discussion, not arguing vocabulary. Besides, we don't know that the government isn't telling Apple and Amazon to remove specific content.
This is a bad path to be going down. People need to stop being obedient little slaves, realize that this will only get worse, and unite against it. Bickering amongst ourselves is exactly what allows these things to continue happening.
Words mean something. If you disagree, there is not much to discuss, since we are using words to communcate. See how it works? The word cencorship has already been brought up (not by me originally) and it's not semantics when people say apple is censoring this or that. It's substantive to the discussion.
Furthermore, I am not an obedient slave. In fact, I am very supportive of wikileaks but I understand that in a case like this, apple may have a reason to pull the app that has nothing to do with the government telling them to pull it (of which there is no proof or even a rumor). Just because the world is crumbling around us, no reason to resort to sloppy thinking. That will only speed our demise.
My point is that Wikileaks is distributing illegally obtained content, and whether it's okay to publish your social security number or a State Department cable is merely a matter of personal opinion. Don't be too quick to welcome one without accepting the possibility of the other.
In any case, there is nothing to be gained by Apple's shareholders to play in this game.
I don't know whether Assange can be successfully prosecuted in the US for the publication of these documents, no matter how he got them. That remains to be seen. He isn't in the US, and may never be extradited, so we may never find out what the government's case against him would be.
Why should any foreign country extradite him to the US. He has done nothing on American soil.
Why should any foreign country extradite him to the US. He has done nothing on American soil.
Canadians said that as well... but the US was successful in extraditing a Canadian citizen to the US to stand trial for selling pot "seeds" by mail... and now he's sitting in a US jail with a 10 year sentence [on edit - 5 years ].
In this case you could say that Assange is distributing this information to US citizens in the same way that the seeds were being distributed. The only question up for grabs (at least on this forum) is whether or not these documents were obtained illegally.
Actually they do since it's their platform. They own it it's their house it's their rules. They can't however censor the Internet because they don't own it and control it. You can still go the wikileaks website if you really want to.
Apple chose not to get in the middle of this controversy. Regardless of how you feel about wikileaks or which side you're on. But it's still a no win situation for Apple because people will criticize them whether they pull the app or not. People like you obviously are criticizing Apple for censorship. And people who are against Wikileaks will criticize Apple for having Wikileaks content on the app store.
It isn't so much they pulled the app. It's the whole "We approved it" then "Oh shit, what were we thinking?" that Apple does so often.
If it violated your TOS, then don't approve it. Yanking it later, even if just a few days later, shows how inconsistent they are about their own rules.
They're not telling you what you can or can't read. They may not want to support WikiLeaks, the same way PayPal and MC don't. And they don't have to make it easy for you to read materials that were illegally obtained, much the way they don't have to have a 'pirated book' app.
Bull!
Any civil-servant should be held accountable by the people. Any government is for the people.
Nothing leaked do harm USA or anyone but liars, but nobody cares anyway.
Where is tea-party when you need them?
Bad Apple, bad!!!
If those papers were Iran's "secrets" it would have been heroic.
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Good point. Nice to see someone taking a step back to understand the situation before jumping in.
The app may very well be someone trying to take advantage of the situation. And how is this bad? How many apps are in the App Store that do the same thing? Enough. This is Apple censoring. After all Al Gore is on their Board of Directors. Yes it is Big Brother once again. Hopefully it will show up in Cydia. At least freedom still exists somewhere.
You should not be so judgmental: that would be like my telling you that you are perhaps part of a has-been generation.
We all know that time and time again, what passes off for 'classified,' what constitutes justification for 'war' (I am not referring to any particular war here), what constitutes 'reality,' what constitutes 'security,' and so forth are equally screwed-up.
Fwiw, I am closer to the has-been group than the 'new internet generation.'
Frankly, I'd rather be part of the 'has-been' generation than the 'dumbest generation' ;-)
Who made Julian Assange king?
The Constitution of the United States, particularly the First Amendment, made him king. Assange did not steal classified documents. Assange did not hire someone to steal them (as far as we know). But when the person that did steal these cables gave them to him, he published them. Just like any news media would have done. The problem is not with Assange. The problem is with irresponsible press - throughout the nation. Do you think a person is innocent until proven guilty? Well, before trial begins the news media has tried and convicted them. That person's life is ruined whether he is guilty or not. And yet the news media hides behind the First Amendment. Well, if it's good for irresponsible organizations like ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (yes, FOX, too), then it needs to be good for Assange, too. We either need to let the current freedom of the press continue to pump out irresponsible journalism, of change the First Amendment to hold everyone accountable. But changing the First Amendment is a dangerous road to go down.
The people complaining in this thread are displeased by Apple's actions. This thread is for that discussion, not arguing vocabulary. Besides, we don't know that the government isn't telling Apple and Amazon to remove specific content.
This is a bad path to be going down. People need to stop being obedient little slaves, realize that this will only get worse, and unite against it. Bickering amongst ourselves is exactly what allows these things to continue happening.
Good grief... in what way did your choice to purchase a product manufactured by a particular company, in a marketplace that is crowded with a multitude of alternative choices, any of which you were free to pursue... turn you into some form of 'obedient little slave'? How is it, exactly, that your participation in commerce become occasion for your enslavement?
I have it on good authority that Assange is actually a CIA operative who was given the documents to leak, mostly fake by the way, to divert the proletariat's attention away from the government's other hand... and to make "the people" believe that they actually have freedom of choice in their actions...
Good grief, put down the bong and get some oxygen to your brain cells. Let's see - today I sat down and worked at the job I applied for, at the company I chose to work at, in the industry I chose to work within, in the discipline that I chose to pursue. Before that, I patted my toddler on the head (the one I and my wife chose to conceive) before he trotted off with his mommy to run about doing whatever they choose to do. Last I heard, nobody stopped them to inquire with respect to whether or not their plans had been approved by anyone.
Seems like I have had a lot of 'freedom of choice' in my 'actions'.
Listen, freedom is not the same thing as having no restrictions. The later is a characteristic of anarchism, but it's not surprising that you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Good grief, put down the bong and get some oxygen to your brain cells. Let's see - today I sat down and worked at the job I applied for, at the company I chose to work at, in the industry I chose to work within, in the discipline that I chose to pursue. Before that, I patted my toddler on the head (the one I and my wife chose to conceive) before he trotted off with his mommy to run about doing whatever they choose to do. Last I heard, nobody stopped them to inquire with respect to whether or not their plans had been approved by anyone.
Seems like I have had a lot of 'freedom of choice' in my 'actions'.
Listen, freedom is not the same thing as having no restrictions. The later is a characteristic of anarchism, but it's not surprising that you don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Did that feel good...
Did that feel good...
Way to go - Ignore the substance of the comment and distract with some trite appeal to motive.
Do you plan to actually address the real issue, and engage in critical thinking?
The Constitution of the United States, particularly the First Amendment, made him king. Assange did not steal classified documents. Assange did not hire someone to steal them (as far as we know). But when the person that did steal these cables gave them to him, he published them. Just like any news media would have done. The problem is not with Assange. The problem is with irresponsible press - throughout the nation. Do you think a person is innocent until proven guilty? Well, before trial begins the news media has tried and convicted them. That person's life is ruined whether he is guilty or not. And yet the news media hides behind the First Amendment. Well, if it's good for irresponsible organizations like ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (yes, FOX, too), then it needs to be good for Assange, too. We either need to let the current freedom of the press continue to pump out irresponsible journalism, of change the First Amendment to hold everyone accountable. But changing the First Amendment is a dangerous road to go down.
First off, Assange is not US citizen and his publication did not occur in the United States, so citing the Constitution in defense of his actions doesn't add up. Second, he has NOT done what "any news media would have done." In fact if you look at what the news media HAS done with the information, it was to publish stories about a select few of the documents and the issues they raised, in their proper context. They did not engage in a massive and random document-dump. This the difference between journalism and whatever it is that Assange is doing.
I don't know whether Assange can be successfully prosecuted in the US for the publication of these documents, no matter how he got them. That remains to be seen. He isn't in the US, and may never be extradited, so we may never find out what the government's case against him would be. So your attack on the news media for even telling us this story is not only premature, it's irresponsible.
BTW, what made him king is the internet. I thought that was blindingly obvious.
Way to go - Ignore the substance of the comment and distract with some trite appeal to motive.
Do you plan to actually address the real issue, and engage in critical thinking?
Har! I sure got you chirping like a monkey!
Period.
They need to update iOS so anyone under 18 can't access porn or other controversial material.
And if you're over 18, let the adults be adults and access what they want.
Ironic how Apple is slowly turning into the Big Brother figure they fought in their infamous 1984 commercial.
I don't like it and it's making me give serious consideration to dumping the mac platform entirely.
The people complaining in this thread are displeased by Apple's actions. This thread is for that discussion, not arguing vocabulary. Besides, we don't know that the government isn't telling Apple and Amazon to remove specific content.
This is a bad path to be going down. People need to stop being obedient little slaves, realize that this will only get worse, and unite against it. Bickering amongst ourselves is exactly what allows these things to continue happening.
Words mean something. If you disagree, there is not much to discuss, since we are using words to communcate. See how it works? The word cencorship has already been brought up (not by me originally) and it's not semantics when people say apple is censoring this or that. It's substantive to the discussion.
Furthermore, I am not an obedient slave. In fact, I am very supportive of wikileaks but I understand that in a case like this, apple may have a reason to pull the app that has nothing to do with the government telling them to pull it (of which there is no proof or even a rumor). Just because the world is crumbling around us, no reason to resort to sloppy thinking. That will only speed our demise.
I don't like it and it's making me give serious consideration to dumping the mac platform entirely.
The sooner the better...
I don't think your analogy is apt.
My point is that Wikileaks is distributing illegally obtained content, and whether it's okay to publish your social security number or a State Department cable is merely a matter of personal opinion. Don't be too quick to welcome one without accepting the possibility of the other.
In any case, there is nothing to be gained by Apple's shareholders to play in this game.
Har! I sure got you chirping like a monkey!
Welcome to ignore-ville.
Welcome to ignore-ville.
Ahhhh... now there's some critical thinking!
I don't know whether Assange can be successfully prosecuted in the US for the publication of these documents, no matter how he got them. That remains to be seen. He isn't in the US, and may never be extradited, so we may never find out what the government's case against him would be.
Why should any foreign country extradite him to the US. He has done nothing on American soil.
Why should any foreign country extradite him to the US. He has done nothing on American soil.
Canadians said that as well... but the US was successful in extraditing a Canadian citizen to the US to stand trial for selling pot "seeds" by mail... and now he's sitting in a US jail with a 10 year sentence [on edit - 5 years ].
In this case you could say that Assange is distributing this information to US citizens in the same way that the seeds were being distributed. The only question up for grabs (at least on this forum) is whether or not these documents were obtained illegally.
Actually they do since it's their platform. They own it it's their house it's their rules. They can't however censor the Internet because they don't own it and control it. You can still go the wikileaks website if you really want to.
Apple chose not to get in the middle of this controversy. Regardless of how you feel about wikileaks or which side you're on. But it's still a no win situation for Apple because people will criticize them whether they pull the app or not. People like you obviously are criticizing Apple for censorship. And people who are against Wikileaks will criticize Apple for having Wikileaks content on the app store.
It isn't so much they pulled the app. It's the whole "We approved it" then "Oh shit, what were we thinking?" that Apple does so often.
If it violated your TOS, then don't approve it. Yanking it later, even if just a few days later, shows how inconsistent they are about their own rules.
They're not telling you what you can or can't read. They may not want to support WikiLeaks, the same way PayPal and MC don't. And they don't have to make it easy for you to read materials that were illegally obtained, much the way they don't have to have a 'pirated book' app.
Bull!
Any civil-servant should be held accountable by the people. Any government is for the people.
Nothing leaked do harm USA or anyone but liars, but nobody cares anyway.
Where is tea-party when you need them?
Bad Apple, bad!!!
If those papers were Iran's "secrets" it would have been heroic.
OH, hypocrisy!