Five years at the outside -- most business personnel will be using iOS devices as their primary computing system.
Agreed. It won't occur due to some mandate, it will be as natural as evolution. We won't even know it until one day we look back and say, hey, when did that happen?
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
You must not know much at all about business then. Do you think advertisers and app developers don't care about unit sales? You wouldn't want to be in the banking business making fractions of a percent, but on hundreds of billions of dollars? Sorry to inform you but, there are plenty of stable and profitable businesses that operate on high volume, low margin strategies to make way way more than you ever will. In fact, one of the most remarkable things about Apple's latest stretch is their ability to maintain their margins. Usually high margin businesses have a much shorter day in the sun before their margins drop, or they simply fail.
Sorry..So some other App platform has over 160 million devices? I do think it matters but revenue is what matters to investors at the end of the day. If your suggestion was that iOS does not have the strongest App platform for mobile developers or advertisers you failed in a spectacular way.
On your other point.. Apple is also generating more total revenue than all of their low margin competitors. No one in the cell phone industry is generating more revenue or more profit in the cell phone industry. I do not believe there is a single manufacturer with more unit sales in the smartphone category.. (You know the only one that matters to your first two arguments). You have an interesting theoretical grasp of the business world, but seem to be narrowly focused and unable to absorb the big picture.
P.S. This discussion was on electronic device manufacturers and not in fact the financial services industry. This may be surprising to you, but different industries work in different ways. When you don't actually have to do anything tangible (like in financial services), much lower margins are a good business model. Lower margins are generally sustainable in retail too. I have no idea how your example was even remotely relevant to the discussion.
So in 5~10 years time you think that 90% of all businesses Worldwide (or is that Earthwide ) will be using iOS devices as their primary computing system.
That's a bold call
I said it wouldn't be PCs and Windows (that was my original point,) and I do see iOS and the future iterations of iOS becoming hugely successful. I don't rule out Macs in some form and I don't rule out something we haven't yet even seen. Microsoft simply won't be a major player by then IMO. Remember my analogy was LPs, they had 100% penetration at one time
Agreed. It won't occur due to some mandate, it will be as natural as evolution. We won't even know it until one day we look back and say, hey, when did that happen?
Precisely. Anyone that thinks PCs will still dominate simply because they do or once did is delusional. Technology simply doesn't work like that, there is always a shift at some point and having a massive domination at one point means nothing. There are countless examples and in all cases people at the time claimed they'd never change ... Pre mouse OSs, Black and white TV, LPs, CDs, Moto smart phones ...
The very fact PCs are replaced so often (usually because the OS is f****d up) is an additional factor, that means the change over could happen very quickly.
The original poster (sorry I forget who) raised the question as to why young children in Australia (or anywhere!) are being taught PCs / MS ... that is what sparked this mini debate. I agreed it seemed pointless especially as the reason given was that 'That's what they'd be using in ten years when they started work.' That is a ludicrous statement.
As to what they should be using, well I said iOS might be a good idea ... an iPad. It seems far more likely to be 'closer' to what might be around. Of course even iPad v2 will be ancient in 10 years but a PC? OMG!
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
The figures are cited in articles that actually deal with a summary of the conference call. This is not an article detailing the conference call and Apple's quarterly report.
NO, It doesn't include the iPad. Seven million+, at about 600 dollars each, is over 4 billion by itself!
Nor does it include iPod Touches, which brought in about 2 billion alone (about 50% of 19.45 million iPods x a conservative 200 dollars each)
The iPad and iPod Touch businesses of Apple are going largely unrecognized by analysts and competitors. None of the surveys wants to include either iPads or iPods as either computers or as mobile devices, so everyone gets to blithely ignore the iOS user base that Apple is building and the solid revenue streams. Phones are a large part of the total revenue, but they are only part of the story: "firing on all cylinders" indeed! A 26.74 billion dollar quarter for Apple. Great, isn't it! This was an awesome quarter!
(646 dollars per phone is about right. Full price in Europe without contract is about 629 Euros for the phone -- that's 850 dollars! but includes 19% VAT, etc.)
BTW, the whole Reality Distortion Field meme has gotten out of control. I don't think it means what you think it means. You know how it started? Not because Apple users were/are blinded about the true value of the products they choose to use (after all, there must be some reason for high customer satisfaction ratings, and for me to be sitting here at a G5 PowerMac that is over six years old, running 24/7/365 on Leopard and that I am not about to give up). Rather, it comes from Steve's teams -- he worked his teams very hard and encouraged them to achieve "the impossible". With his pushing and saying "no" to obstacles, they felt they had achieved the impossible. Obstacles cease to exist when it comes to Jobs -- that's the Reality Distortion. It's a positive thing; so, thanks. I just wish I really was within it and someone pushed me like that.
I Have to say that I would love to give all these Apple head guru's a pat on the back for freaking making some of the best products out there, have some the highest customer satisfaction ratings, and are the most profitable devices sold because they are high end. I love the fact Apple has never competed in the shit low end market and yet they still WOLLOP the competition. Great Job Apple...my hats off to you....Get well soon S.J.
Do you maintain your car? Or do you just complain when smoke comes out of the tailpipe and it won't start easily?
Clue: It takes a long time to boot up because you have set it to start a bunch of applications upon booting. The applications which load at boot are completely within your control, and do not start at boot unless told or allowed to do so. The first batch of crap to disable includes Apple Mobile Device Helper and all the rest of the crap that Apple doesn't tell you is set to load at startup. Your boot times will decrease significantly.
Without having any idea what the network infrastructure, the AD domain settings, the Windows version/patch level, the security settings, VPN settings, or the state of the hard drive you were able to diagnose the exact issues impacting his Windows install. You are truly the ultimate geek guru. Oh wait - you think this is happening on his Apple computer[/sarcasm]
I think a reading comprehension course is in order!
Of course none of this is MS's fault, it's strictly the company's fault along with its inept IT department. Problem is, their deployment is so large (20,000+ laptops and perhaps even more thin clients), and their IT department has so much turnover that I'm convinced there's no longer anyone around who knows how to fix any of this.
You can fix the problem with plain old saltwater. Boot up the slow booting laptop with the messed up XP install, and while powered on and plugged in, carefully dip into a concentrated brine solution. Rinse in fesh water, and then thouroughly dry. Return to the IT department and wait for your newer faster Windows 7 laptop. It is not cost effective to fix it so they will generally issue a new one. Just dont repeat too often or they get suspicious.
You can fix the problem with plain old saltwater. Boot up the slow booting laptop with the messed up XP install, and while powered on and plugged in, carefully dip into a concentrated brine solution. Rinse in fesh water, and then thouroughly dry. Return to the IT department and wait for your newer faster Windows 7 laptop. It is not cost effective to fix it so they will generally issue a new one. Just dont repeat too often or they get suspicious.
LOve it. It beats my recommendation to people with Windows problems' ... hold in both hands out of window, preferable two or more stories high, and let go. Always checking no people or cats below and concrete or stone landing point.' Return to IT in a black trash bag and say "Is this yours?'
Not if MS doesn't release a MS Office for iOS. Oddly, they just released the iPhone OneNote app.
Bizzaro but it may happen. I think probably not so much.
I can't say for sure but I really doubt the future selection of computing hardware rests on MS Office. Although the future of MS way well rest on it. Nuff said!
I can't say for sure but I really doubt the future selection of computing hardware rests on MS Office. Although the future of MS way well rest on it. Nuff said!
Ah...so what are business users going to use instead? iWork? FreetardiaOffice? I use QuickOffice on the iPad and it's not quite enough to let me replace my MBP and OSX.
Riiiiight. And in the Battle of Serenity Desktop OSX purplebellies stomped Linux browncoats into the ground and Linus looks like Mal...
I don't remember a time when OSX and Linux were in a battle of that magnitude. I haven't heard of any distro claiming they can take down Apple.
Anyhow, I don't see Linux as Browncoats, but more of the Border Planets where you are given the basics and you have to fend and figure it out for yourself.
Browncoats in this odd analogy would be users who disagree with MS, Google, and Apple mentalities. And in some cases, have to dress their boat like a reaver just to make their point known.
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
That's the average price per phone. You gotta remember that at any given time there are 3 variations of iPhones to chose from. 16 GB, 32 GB, and the 8 GB previous model to choose from.
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Five years at the outside -- most business personnel will be using iOS devices as their primary computing system.
Agreed. It won't occur due to some mandate, it will be as natural as evolution. We won't even know it until one day we look back and say, hey, when did that happen?
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
http://mobilized.allthingsd.com/2011...D_yahoo_ticker
... And for the record: short, but not too big around!
That was an inside joke. I only expected one person to take it seriously.
For your space for rent:
"I have a jar for you to wash"
You must not know much at all about business then. Do you think advertisers and app developers don't care about unit sales? You wouldn't want to be in the banking business making fractions of a percent, but on hundreds of billions of dollars?
Sorry..So some other App platform has over 160 million devices? I do think it matters but revenue is what matters to investors at the end of the day. If your suggestion was that iOS does not have the strongest App platform for mobile developers or advertisers you failed in a spectacular way.
On your other point.. Apple is also generating more total revenue than all of their low margin competitors. No one in the cell phone industry is generating more revenue or more profit in the cell phone industry. I do not believe there is a single manufacturer with more unit sales in the smartphone category.. (You know the only one that matters to your first two arguments). You have an interesting theoretical grasp of the business world, but seem to be narrowly focused and unable to absorb the big picture.
P.S. This discussion was on electronic device manufacturers and not in fact the financial services industry. This may be surprising to you, but different industries work in different ways. When you don't actually have to do anything tangible (like in financial services), much lower margins are a good business model. Lower margins are generally sustainable in retail too. I have no idea how your example was even remotely relevant to the discussion.
So in 5~10 years time you think that 90% of all businesses Worldwide (or is that Earthwide
That's a bold call
I said it wouldn't be PCs and Windows (that was my original point,) and I do see iOS and the future iterations of iOS becoming hugely successful. I don't rule out Macs in some form and I don't rule out something we haven't yet even seen. Microsoft simply won't be a major player by then IMO. Remember my analogy was LPs, they had 100% penetration at one time
For your space for rent:
"I have a jar for you to wash"
I didn?t get the reference. I assume it came from Calvin & Hobbes, the comic strip ever produced? EVER!
Agreed. It won't occur due to some mandate, it will be as natural as evolution. We won't even know it until one day we look back and say, hey, when did that happen?
Precisely. Anyone that thinks PCs will still dominate simply because they do or once did is delusional. Technology simply doesn't work like that, there is always a shift at some point and having a massive domination at one point means nothing. There are countless examples and in all cases people at the time claimed they'd never change ... Pre mouse OSs, Black and white TV, LPs, CDs, Moto smart phones ...
The very fact PCs are replaced so often (usually because the OS is f****d up) is an additional factor, that means the change over could happen very quickly.
The original poster (sorry I forget who) raised the question as to why young children in Australia (or anywhere!) are being taught PCs / MS ... that is what sparked this mini debate. I agreed it seemed pointless especially as the reason given was that 'That's what they'd be using in ten years when they started work.' That is a ludicrous statement.
As to what they should be using, well I said iOS might be a good idea ... an iPad. It seems far more likely to be 'closer' to what might be around. Of course even iPad v2 will be ancient in 10 years but a PC? OMG!
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
The figures are cited in articles that actually deal with a summary of the conference call. This is not an article detailing the conference call and Apple's quarterly report.
NO, It doesn't include the iPad. Seven million+, at about 600 dollars each, is over 4 billion by itself!
Nor does it include iPod Touches, which brought in about 2 billion alone (about 50% of 19.45 million iPods x a conservative 200 dollars each)
The iPad and iPod Touch businesses of Apple are going largely unrecognized by analysts and competitors. None of the surveys wants to include either iPads or iPods as either computers or as mobile devices, so everyone gets to blithely ignore the iOS user base that Apple is building and the solid revenue streams. Phones are a large part of the total revenue, but they are only part of the story: "firing on all cylinders" indeed! A 26.74 billion dollar quarter for Apple. Great, isn't it! This was an awesome quarter!
(646 dollars per phone is about right. Full price in Europe without contract is about 629 Euros for the phone -- that's 850 dollars! but includes 19% VAT, etc.)
BTW, the whole Reality Distortion Field meme has gotten out of control. I don't think it means what you think it means. You know how it started? Not because Apple users were/are blinded about the true value of the products they choose to use (after all, there must be some reason for high customer satisfaction ratings, and for me to be sitting here at a G5 PowerMac that is over six years old, running 24/7/365 on Leopard and that I am not about to give up). Rather, it comes from Steve's teams -- he worked his teams very hard and encouraged them to achieve "the impossible". With his pushing and saying "no" to obstacles, they felt they had achieved the impossible. Obstacles cease to exist when it comes to Jobs -- that's the Reality Distortion. It's a positive thing; so, thanks. I just wish I really was within it and someone pushed me like that.
I Have to say that I would love to give all these Apple head guru's a pat on the back for freaking making some of the best products out there, have some the highest customer satisfaction ratings, and are the most profitable devices sold because they are high end. I love the fact Apple has never competed in the shit low end market and yet they still WOLLOP the competition. Great Job Apple...my hats off to you....Get well soon S.J.
You read my mind, here here.
Do you maintain your car? Or do you just complain when smoke comes out of the tailpipe and it won't start easily?
Clue: It takes a long time to boot up because you have set it to start a bunch of applications upon booting. The applications which load at boot are completely within your control, and do not start at boot unless told or allowed to do so. The first batch of crap to disable includes Apple Mobile Device Helper and all the rest of the crap that Apple doesn't tell you is set to load at startup. Your boot times will decrease significantly.
Without having any idea what the network infrastructure, the AD domain settings, the Windows version/patch level, the security settings, VPN settings, or the state of the hard drive you were able to diagnose the exact issues impacting his Windows install. You are truly the ultimate geek guru. Oh wait - you think this is happening on his Apple computer[/sarcasm]
I think a reading comprehension course is in order!
I prefer The Verse. Ohh, I think I’ll start referring to trolls as Reavers.
I like to think of Apple as the Alliance. (And MS as "Earth that was")
Of course none of this is MS's fault, it's strictly the company's fault along with its inept IT department. Problem is, their deployment is so large (20,000+ laptops and perhaps even more thin clients), and their IT department has so much turnover that I'm convinced there's no longer anyone around who knows how to fix any of this.
You can fix the problem with plain old saltwater. Boot up the slow booting laptop with the messed up XP install, and while powered on and plugged in, carefully dip into a concentrated brine solution. Rinse in fesh water, and then thouroughly dry. Return to the IT department and wait for your newer faster Windows 7 laptop. It is not cost effective to fix it so they will generally issue a new one. Just dont repeat too often or they get suspicious.
You can fix the problem with plain old saltwater. Boot up the slow booting laptop with the messed up XP install, and while powered on and plugged in, carefully dip into a concentrated brine solution. Rinse in fesh water, and then thouroughly dry. Return to the IT department and wait for your newer faster Windows 7 laptop. It is not cost effective to fix it so they will generally issue a new one. Just dont repeat too often or they get suspicious.
LOve it. It beats my recommendation to people with Windows problems' ... hold in both hands out of window, preferable two or more stories high, and let go. Always checking no people or cats below and concrete or stone landing point.' Return to IT in a black trash bag and say "Is this yours?'
Five years at the outside -- most business personnel will be using iOS devices as their primary computing system.
Not if MS doesn't release a MS Office for iOS. Oddly, they just released the iPhone OneNote app.
Bizzaro but it may happen. I think probably not so much.
Not if MS doesn't release a MS Office for iOS. Oddly, they just released the iPhone OneNote app.
Bizzaro but it may happen. I think probably not so much.
I can't say for sure but I really doubt the future selection of computing hardware rests on MS Office. Although the future of MS way well rest on it. Nuff said!
I like to think of Apple as the Alliance. (And MS as "Earth that was")
Riiiiight. And in the Battle of Serenity Desktop OSX purplebellies stomped Linux browncoats into the ground and Linus looks like Mal...
I can't say for sure but I really doubt the future selection of computing hardware rests on MS Office. Although the future of MS way well rest on it. Nuff said!
Ah...so what are business users going to use instead? iWork? FreetardiaOffice? I use QuickOffice on the iPad and it's not quite enough to let me replace my MBP and OSX.
Riiiiight. And in the Battle of Serenity Desktop OSX purplebellies stomped Linux browncoats into the ground and Linus looks like Mal...
I don't remember a time when OSX and Linux were in a battle of that magnitude. I haven't heard of any distro claiming they can take down Apple.
Anyhow, I don't see Linux as Browncoats, but more of the Border Planets where you are given the basics and you have to fend and figure it out for yourself.
Browncoats in this odd analogy would be users who disagree with MS, Google, and Apple mentalities. And in some cases, have to dress their boat like a reaver just to make their point known.
Nokia and New Zealand suck!
Careful soli, those are troll words. No need to dis an entire country.
The Article states that Apple sold 16.2 million phones in the quarter, for $10.47 billion, which translates to $646 per phone - is that really what Apple averages in revenue per phone, or are iPads and iPods being folded into this number? It would be nice if AppleInsider would cite some of its figures once in awhile, although this kind of "my penis is bigger than yours" within the Jobs reality field is par for the course around here...
That's the average price per phone. You gotta remember that at any given time there are 3 variations of iPhones to chose from. 16 GB, 32 GB, and the 8 GB previous model to choose from.