Seriously. This is gossip. And AI is reporting on gossip. Especially something as fiercely personal as this. I'd say it was an inappropriate and irresponsible choice to publish this
Not to mention completely unimportant. Really, I'm a shareholder and I could care less.
Gay shmay. Who cares? What does sexual orientation have to do with anything?
In a perfect world it would mean nothing, however in this world it is a means to oppress a minority, discriminate against a group, make people feel like they are half citizens in a country that claims all men are created equal and entitled to the same rights. There are still a lot of people that hate others just because they are gay and feel justified to use violence and legislation to keep them down. Does that answer your question?
Only interested in tech news? Not interested in stuff that gets published by Appleinsider because it's not tech news?
We've now commented more on a topic about mentioning someones sexual preference then we have on a change of leadership at Google, and probably the vast majority of tech related articles.
Clearly those people who don't want to talk about who is gay and who is straight are in the minority here, Appleinsider currently is all about this article and people just keep feeding it.
This at least makes one thing obvious, it does matter, how do I know this? Because you all would have just shrugged and commented on another article if it didn't.
My goodness, there's a whole lot of huffing and puffing about this article. I have a few thoughts:
1) "Gossip" usually deals with something negative or scandalous. It appears that Tim Cook is already "out", so there's nothing gossipy about this article. More importantly, this article is actually saying good things about Tim Cook, rather than some coming off as some sort of salacious expose about his lifestyle or something.
2) My immediate reaction when I read the headline was "wow, cool!"
3) I agree that a person's sexual orientation is very personal, and should be a non-issue. Unfortunately, we still live in a world where people who are "different" are all too often pushed to the margins. So, articles like this one are important, even if seemingly irrelevant, because they help to nudge marginalized folks back to the mainstream. If stories of gay people were only talked about in gay publications, it wouldn't do much to help "normalize" them--they would remain in the margins; they would remain "they".
4) This article is important for closeted gay people who are concerned about the repercussions of coming out. The more stories like this they read, the more they can feel like there's nothing wrong with being who they are.
5) Those who have chosen to be offended by this article are revealing more about themselves and their prejudices than anything else.
Seriously. This is gossip. And AI is reporting on gossip. Especially something as fiercely personal as this. I'd say it was an inappropriate and irresponsible choice to publish this
Agree 100%. Drivel like this you can expect at Gizmodo but not at AI!
I was reading this thread, and most of the comments seem logical, and then I see this:
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Originally Posted by ascii
It's hard enough to find intelligent hard working people to work for you without worrying about sexual orientation.
If sexual orientation was a choice, then I would be worried about hiring him, because someone who would let that be done to them, what else might they do that could harm my company? But to the best of my knowledge the current science has gayness being genetic, so no worries.
Whoa.
First of all, what is 'that?' Is 'that' anal sex? Or oral sex? I hate to break it to you, but it's not an exclusively gay thing. Neither is it a sign that a person is irresponsible or immoral, someone who would 'harm your company.' This fear is so illogical and absurd, that it really is homophobic.
Which is also the word to describe people who are unhinged by 'gayness', but reconcile this fear with their feelings about actual gay individuals by thinking that it's not their fault.
No worries? On the contrary. People like this make me nervous. They have deep-seated fears that, when encountered in the real world, are suppressed by the flimsiest of rationalizations. This is a recipe for hatred and violence. Often people ask, why do gays speak of bashers as being 'phobic?' It's because it's in human nature to hate what we fear.
Your missing the point. Tim Cook may or may not want his sexual orientation discussed in a public forum. That is his decision to make. If he, in an interview, wants to discuss it .... then it's ok to print the interview .... but AI did not try to "confirm" this with Tim, did not even make an attempt to find out if Tim wanted this discussion to take place in a public forum and for those reasons AI is wrong to have proceeded to spread these "personal" rumors.
Nobody is claiming that being gay is offensive ... only that "outing" someone who may not even want to be outed ..... that's the offensive part. Now do you understand? Peace.
Exactly.
AI,
Ryan Tate operates a sleazy enough distribution without your regurgitation of their trash. What are you doing?
I wasn't going to post in this thread because it is really difficult for a straight guy to have opinions about gay guys without being misunderstood, but after reading your post I'm going to offer an opinion nevertheless.
Your description above about the gay football player committing suicide and the feelings of being in a locker room of all straight guys actually reinforces my opinion. I have known several gay guys, worked with a few, and was even business partners with one for a time, until he was arrested for embezzling (not from me but from a non-profit he also work for). He is currently serving time for that. Anyway I have nothing against gay people. They tend to be funny and polite and fun to be around in both a business and social settings, but in my observation they also tend to be overly emotional and somewhat depressed. This I attribute to the rather stressful childhood that is all to common for gay people in today's society.
So if Tim Cook is not an overly emotional or depressed kind of gay guy then I suppose he would be fine for the CEO position considering his other qualifications, but if he is one of the slightly unbalanced types that I am more familiar with, then I would be a little concerned.
This article is proof that some humans (the article authors and AI's choice to publish) have not evolved much past apes ... with all due respect to our simian ancestors. This article belongs in the dumpster.
This article is proof that some humans (the article authors and AI's choice to publish) have not evolved much past apes ... with all due respect to our simian ancestors. This article belongs in the dumpster.
Care to explain why this article belongs in the dumpster?
If he is gay then it is better it be revealed now rather than later after becoming CEO and/or possibly being caught in some tryst which would create much more of a stir.
mstone, i have had a lot of respect for you.
wouldn't it be much better that he "reveals" it on his own terms?
as far as caught in some "tryst." he wouldn't be cheating on someone. unless he solicited a prostitute, how would being involved with someone merit a scandalous term like "tryst?"
So in short gay is fine just please don't ever talk about it again, because it's disgusting and shameful even though it's not. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Exactly. If people are ok with homosexuality then it's ok to talk about it and there's nothing wrong with someone being gay. A surprising amount of people seem to not like hearing someone being described as gay.
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Originally Posted by azazel-
If the article itself wasn't sleazy enough as gratuitous click-whoring, a childish comment like that from a member of the staff here just puts it over the top.
I thought MacRumors was the toilet bowl of the mac rumor sites?
Is that where you left your sense of humour? The article wording could have been better sure but it's just descriptive. I think people are being a bit too over-sensitive. As mentioned previously, if the description was 'most powerful black man', no one would care. The description is given because despite the prejudice that exists against racial or sexual groups, people can overcome those prejudices to do great things.
I also don't get why we have to wait on official announcements from homosexuals before it's ok to talk about it but don't for anyone else. He's 51 years old. It's not like it's going to make any difference.
Now fair enough, you may say how is him being gay relevant to his profile of work at Apple. Well, what if we had to assume he was a lonesome workaholic? I wouldn't call that healthy. You can assess him by his work alone but it's nice to know the people behind the icons. It's good to know that Steve has a wife and kids as well as Scott Forstall and Jonathan Ive. It most certainly impacts on their work too. One of Steve's replies about the company stance on pornography was 'if you've got kids then you'd understand' or something to that effect.
This profile hasn't just come out of the blue either. Remember, Steve has just taken leave so Tim is now acting CEO.
I didn't know he was gay, and I did not need to know he was either. That is his PRIVATE business and Daniel, as a defender of your writings, I am disappointed.
Would any other of his life choices be pertinent enough to make a headline? Does he prefer wine to beer? I doubt it, and neither should his being gay, if he is, because I wouldn't have a clue, and am not interested in having a clue either.
It seems to me this feeds your personal troupe of troll-monkeys with plenty more fuel to put on the fire.
A pity.
I agree with you, it's private.
I do still want to take the opportunity to make the reminder that this is gossip, and nobody here "knows" if he is gay.
Being gay by definition is "defective"? Implying that being a gay man is synonymous with a woman who habitually gang bangs?
The typical right wing extremist shot at Obama?
Wow.
As one poster said afterwards, his kind is becoming more and more the minority. And sure enough, he sure doesn't seem to be getting much support on here.
My goodness, there's a whole lot of huffing and puffing about this article. I have a few thoughts:
1) "Gossip" usually deals with something negative or scandalous. It appears that Tim Cook is already "out", so there's nothing gossipy about this article. More importantly, this article is actually saying good things about Tim Cook, rather than some coming off as some sort of salacious expose about his lifestyle or something.
2) My immediate reaction when I read the headline was "wow, cool!"
3) I agree that a person's sexual orientation is very personal, and should be a non-issue. Unfortunately, we still live in a world where people who are "different" are all too often pushed to the margins. So, articles like this one are important, even if seemingly irrelevant, because they help to nudge marginalized folks back to the mainstream. If stories of gay people were only talked about in gay publications, it wouldn't do much to help "normalize" them--they would remain in the margins; they would remain "they".
Gossip isn't inherently negative; it's just that gossip tends to be salacious, and often ends up with someone being hurt.
I thought it was cool as well, until i realized that it's not a verified fact.
It is personal, which is the key to the whole argument. There are people who would trash him for being gay. He would have to face his friends and family if he hasn't already. there's a lot of complexities to it. And he hasn't made the decision to address those in a business setting.
If he is gay, he deserves the respect and decency to announce it on his own terms, not to be forced to address the subject by gossip.
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Seriously. This is gossip. And AI is reporting on gossip. Especially something as fiercely personal as this. I'd say it was an inappropriate and irresponsible choice to publish this
Not to mention completely unimportant. Really, I'm a shareholder and I could care less.
Gay shmay. Who cares? What does sexual orientation have to do with anything?
In a perfect world it would mean nothing, however in this world it is a means to oppress a minority, discriminate against a group, make people feel like they are half citizens in a country that claims all men are created equal and entitled to the same rights. There are still a lot of people that hate others just because they are gay and feel justified to use violence and legislation to keep them down. Does that answer your question?
We've now commented more on a topic about mentioning someones sexual preference then we have on a change of leadership at Google, and probably the vast majority of tech related articles.
Clearly those people who don't want to talk about who is gay and who is straight are in the minority here, Appleinsider currently is all about this article and people just keep feeding it.
This at least makes one thing obvious, it does matter, how do I know this? Because you all would have just shrugged and commented on another article if it didn't.
1) "Gossip" usually deals with something negative or scandalous. It appears that Tim Cook is already "out", so there's nothing gossipy about this article. More importantly, this article is actually saying good things about Tim Cook, rather than some coming off as some sort of salacious expose about his lifestyle or something.
2) My immediate reaction when I read the headline was "wow, cool!"
3) I agree that a person's sexual orientation is very personal, and should be a non-issue. Unfortunately, we still live in a world where people who are "different" are all too often pushed to the margins. So, articles like this one are important, even if seemingly irrelevant, because they help to nudge marginalized folks back to the mainstream. If stories of gay people were only talked about in gay publications, it wouldn't do much to help "normalize" them--they would remain in the margins; they would remain "they".
4) This article is important for closeted gay people who are concerned about the repercussions of coming out. The more stories like this they read, the more they can feel like there's nothing wrong with being who they are.
5) Those who have chosen to be offended by this article are revealing more about themselves and their prejudices than anything else.
Seriously. This is gossip. And AI is reporting on gossip. Especially something as fiercely personal as this. I'd say it was an inappropriate and irresponsible choice to publish this
Agree 100%. Drivel like this you can expect at Gizmodo but not at AI!
It's hard enough to find intelligent hard working people to work for you without worrying about sexual orientation.
If sexual orientation was a choice, then I would be worried about hiring him, because someone who would let that be done to them, what else might they do that could harm my company? But to the best of my knowledge the current science has gayness being genetic, so no worries.
Whoa.
First of all, what is 'that?' Is 'that' anal sex? Or oral sex? I hate to break it to you, but it's not an exclusively gay thing. Neither is it a sign that a person is irresponsible or immoral, someone who would 'harm your company.' This fear is so illogical and absurd, that it really is homophobic.
Which is also the word to describe people who are unhinged by 'gayness', but reconcile this fear with their feelings about actual gay individuals by thinking that it's not their fault.
No worries? On the contrary. People like this make me nervous. They have deep-seated fears that, when encountered in the real world, are suppressed by the flimsiest of rationalizations. This is a recipe for hatred and violence. Often people ask, why do gays speak of bashers as being 'phobic?' It's because it's in human nature to hate what we fear.
Your missing the point. Tim Cook may or may not want his sexual orientation discussed in a public forum. That is his decision to make. If he, in an interview, wants to discuss it .... then it's ok to print the interview .... but AI did not try to "confirm" this with Tim, did not even make an attempt to find out if Tim wanted this discussion to take place in a public forum and for those reasons AI is wrong to have proceeded to spread these "personal" rumors.
Nobody is claiming that being gay is offensive ... only that "outing" someone who may not even want to be outed ..... that's the offensive part. Now do you understand? Peace.
Exactly.
AI,
Ryan Tate operates a sleazy enough distribution without your regurgitation of their trash. What are you doing?
I wasn't going to post in this thread because it is really difficult for a straight guy to have opinions about gay guys without being misunderstood, but after reading your post I'm going to offer an opinion nevertheless.
Your description above about the gay football player committing suicide and the feelings of being in a locker room of all straight guys actually reinforces my opinion. I have known several gay guys, worked with a few, and was even business partners with one for a time, until he was arrested for embezzling (not from me but from a non-profit he also work for). He is currently serving time for that. Anyway I have nothing against gay people. They tend to be funny and polite and fun to be around in both a business and social settings, but in my observation they also tend to be overly emotional and somewhat depressed. This I attribute to the rather stressful childhood that is all to common for gay people in today's society.
So if Tim Cook is not an overly emotional or depressed kind of gay guy then I suppose he would be fine for the CEO position considering his other qualifications, but if he is one of the slightly unbalanced types that I am more familiar with, then I would be a little concerned.
How could you be misunderstood?
My goodness, there's a whole lot of huffing and puffing about this article. I have a few thoughts:
2) My immediate reaction when I read the headline was "wow, cool!"
I have to say that Daniel did rein himself in a bit... the headline could have read...
Tim Cook Outed As A Poof!
I'm sure we'd be up to 400 comments by now...
The only question I have for Tim is whether he likes Judy Garland in Easter Parade more than Bette Midler in Beaches...
It's not the fact that a man likes other men. It's gay sex, and the knowledge that it exists, that disgusts you.
The gay haters will NEVER admit that, although that is the entire reason they hate gays...
BTW I did not know he was gay until this thread.
I just want to point out...nobody KNOWS that he is gay. It is based on speculation and two unverified sources.
Not to argue he isn't, but, to put it in perspective, this is GOSSIP people.
This article is proof that some humans (the article authors and AI's choice to publish) have not evolved much past apes ... with all due respect to our simian ancestors. This article belongs in the dumpster.
Care to explain why this article belongs in the dumpster?
If he is gay then it is better it be revealed now rather than later after becoming CEO and/or possibly being caught in some tryst which would create much more of a stir.
mstone, i have had a lot of respect for you.
wouldn't it be much better that he "reveals" it on his own terms?
as far as caught in some "tryst." he wouldn't be cheating on someone. unless he solicited a prostitute, how would being involved with someone merit a scandalous term like "tryst?"
So in short gay is fine just please don't ever talk about it again, because it's disgusting and shameful even though it's not. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Exactly. If people are ok with homosexuality then it's ok to talk about it and there's nothing wrong with someone being gay. A surprising amount of people seem to not like hearing someone being described as gay.
If the article itself wasn't sleazy enough as gratuitous click-whoring, a childish comment like that from a member of the staff here just puts it over the top.
I thought MacRumors was the toilet bowl of the mac rumor sites?
Is that where you left your sense of humour? The article wording could have been better sure but it's just descriptive. I think people are being a bit too over-sensitive. As mentioned previously, if the description was 'most powerful black man', no one would care. The description is given because despite the prejudice that exists against racial or sexual groups, people can overcome those prejudices to do great things.
I also don't get why we have to wait on official announcements from homosexuals before it's ok to talk about it but don't for anyone else. He's 51 years old. It's not like it's going to make any difference.
Now fair enough, you may say how is him being gay relevant to his profile of work at Apple. Well, what if we had to assume he was a lonesome workaholic? I wouldn't call that healthy. You can assess him by his work alone but it's nice to know the people behind the icons. It's good to know that Steve has a wife and kids as well as Scott Forstall and Jonathan Ive. It most certainly impacts on their work too. One of Steve's replies about the company stance on pornography was 'if you've got kids then you'd understand' or something to that effect.
This profile hasn't just come out of the blue either. Remember, Steve has just taken leave so Tim is now acting CEO.
I didn't know he was gay, and I did not need to know he was either. That is his PRIVATE business and Daniel, as a defender of your writings, I am disappointed.
Would any other of his life choices be pertinent enough to make a headline? Does he prefer wine to beer? I doubt it, and neither should his being gay, if he is, because I wouldn't have a clue, and am not interested in having a clue either.
It seems to me this feeds your personal troupe of troll-monkeys with plenty more fuel to put on the fire.
A pity.
I agree with you, it's private.
I do still want to take the opportunity to make the reminder that this is gossip, and nobody here "knows" if he is gay.
WOW.
Being gay by definition is "defective"? Implying that being a gay man is synonymous with a woman who habitually gang bangs?
The typical right wing extremist shot at Obama?
Wow.
As one poster said afterwards, his kind is becoming more and more the minority. And sure enough, he sure doesn't seem to be getting much support on here.
My goodness, there's a whole lot of huffing and puffing about this article. I have a few thoughts:
1) "Gossip" usually deals with something negative or scandalous. It appears that Tim Cook is already "out", so there's nothing gossipy about this article. More importantly, this article is actually saying good things about Tim Cook, rather than some coming off as some sort of salacious expose about his lifestyle or something.
2) My immediate reaction when I read the headline was "wow, cool!"
3) I agree that a person's sexual orientation is very personal, and should be a non-issue. Unfortunately, we still live in a world where people who are "different" are all too often pushed to the margins. So, articles like this one are important, even if seemingly irrelevant, because they help to nudge marginalized folks back to the mainstream. If stories of gay people were only talked about in gay publications, it wouldn't do much to help "normalize" them--they would remain in the margins; they would remain "they".
Gossip isn't inherently negative; it's just that gossip tends to be salacious, and often ends up with someone being hurt.
I thought it was cool as well, until i realized that it's not a verified fact.
It is personal, which is the key to the whole argument. There are people who would trash him for being gay. He would have to face his friends and family if he hasn't already. there's a lot of complexities to it. And he hasn't made the decision to address those in a business setting.
If he is gay, he deserves the respect and decency to announce it on his own terms, not to be forced to address the subject by gossip.
Who cares if he's Gay!! Can he do the job? Yes. I'm not Gay but I think this whole artical
is BS. When Steve put him in charge I'm sure he didn't care if he's Gay. He just cared if
he could do his job.
It's just a humorous observation, that gay people want others to be happy.
Or are you unaware that back around 50 years ago "gay" meant happy?
Not to mention completely unimportant. Really, I'm a shareholder and I could care less.
So, you care then? If you don't care, then why wouldn't you say "I couldn't care less" like the expression?