You have a very short memory. Back in 2007 they cut the price of the phone by $400, and ended up having to write a very large check to please the people who had already bought the phone. Same thing will happen again. I think Apple LOVES to have a release schedule that will allow them to have 2 large spikes in demand, half a year apart, rather than one EPIC spike in demand in summer.
Watch, it'll happen. Until the iPhone is 4G LTE, which won't happen this summer.
I think Apple will release both versions at the same time - they want to be carrier agnostic. And I think this situation is substantially different than cutting the phone price by 2/3s.
Besides, you then are faced with the same situation you have today - selling a phone half-way through its product cycle.
Apple will likely address any supply issues by adjusting launches in other countries.
Because Apple waited too long. If the 3GS would have been CDMA it would have been huge - before Android became a credible challenger. Talking with kids - 17-20 - today, its all about how Android lets you do more stuff and Apple keeps you locked down.
Funny thing - whenever I pass an Apple store, it seems there is always a throng of young people drooling over the iPhone.
I'm not saying that Apple is doomed (longterm shareholder), but the point is that the expectations that weren't met were Apple's and Verizon's, not some analyst's. The fact that Apple is smart company with lots of resources, and all of the data from it's own research, Verizon's customer data (when contracts expire, trends of when people will pay ETFs, etc), it irks me that (if the article is true) that their expectations were too high.
That should bother any shareholder at least a little, no?
I am a shareholder. I'm mildly disappointed but not really concerned. More phones will be sold as people come out of contract.
Not necessarily. The current LTE deployment is a stop-gap for LTE Advanced.
At this point HSPA+ can match and exceed Verizon's LTE deployment. That is the reason AT&T isn't too worried about LTE yet.
If AT&T's iPhone 5 has an HSPA+ radio that can achieve the maximum speed. It will be faster than LTE at this point.
Yeah but the iPhone 5 on Verizon will still be on slow as shit 3G. HSPA+ means nothing for the Verizon people who are probably 16+ months from seeing an LTE iPhone.
I was all set to get an iPhone on Verizon. I was fed up with the Bugs Google intorduced in Froyo. However, last week a ROM developer came up with a custom Gengerbread ROM ( SS 5.0 ) and it fixed all of the bugs that Google caused in the Froyo ROM's. Motorola finally released a good Sync app for the mac that seamlessly syncs my music, Playlists, Photos and videos between the droid and iTunes. It is actually a little easier to setup than iTunes's native sync...
I am kind of enjoying the old Droid again. It is smooth and has a lot of really nice features that the iPhone does not have. I really do not want to give them up. Also I would have to pay $700.00 to get an iPhone as I have a year left on my 2 year contract.
Here are the features I would miss:
1) Free Wifi & USB Tethering. I use it to connect my iPad to 3G when not in a AT&T 3G area which is quite often. I also use it to connect my laptop when necessary.
2) Voice commands. Google did a great job with voice inputs. I can sent text and email by simply telling the phone who I want to send it to and saying the message. Really cool.
3) Voice text input in ANY text field. When the keyboard pops up I simply hit the mic and say what I want typed. I rarely type a lot any more. The Voice to text in Google is excellent.
4) Google Maps. Google Maps are simply better don in Android that on the iPhone ( remember I have an iPad for comparison )
5) I like being able to actually mount the phone as a USB drive to copy a file or directory between computers. I work with high tech equipment and a hande USB drive is nice to have.
6) I also like having Flash capability in the browser. Like it or not there is still a huge part of the web that is goign to be Flash only for a long time. I like to read about Automobile news and almost all of the sites are flash based.
This may have more to do with low sales than anything. Before getting my iPhone I was a Verizon customer and frankly have found AT&T to be a far more professional organization. By a very long shot. AT&T might not have the coverage (certainly not a problem for me), but it also doesn't have all the crap associated with Verizon.
Examples of Verizons crap: Kiosks in the local malls where the reps act as if they work for a traveling carnival. In actual free standing Verizon stores whole teams if sales people with extrodinary bad attitudes which are magnified in proportion to the persons stupidity with respect to knowledge about what they are selling. Endless marketing crap being directed at you. Bills and charges that are a complete mystery.
I could go on but at this point AT&T has my respect as a business. At least locally you actually feel like a customer. Verizon simply isn't all it is cracked up to be and has the feel of a slightly sleazy business. So unless you are in a class of people that don't have a choice, jumping ship to go with Verizon doesn't make a lot of sense.
-Apple had expectations that they would be a certain number of handsets sold at launch
-expectations would be based on the current generation device and what they perceive as the market demand for it
-this article theorizes that initial sales numbers did not meet those expectations or those of Verizon either
-if the article is in fact true, then it means that what Apple thinks about itself and its products doesn't actually represent where customers are willing to put their money
from that, I'm trying to say:
-Apple should bring their A game to all product releases and stop holding back features. They'll have to work harder to win over the customer whether because of competition, or because their product cycle timelines are becoming more predictable
-Apple does have a lot of sway. But I think they should realize that they shouldn't always use their influence especially when the outcomes don't always meet their expectations. This refers to the tough line they stood on the Verizon deal for years, the current subscription policy, cost of songs on iTunes, Flash (maaaybe not =p)
I honestly think the only reason young kids may like some Android phones better is texting. I know two teenagers who love all Apple products EXCEPT the iPhone. The reason is they text a lot and prefer an actual keyboard.
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Originally Posted by shadash
Because Apple waited too long. If the 3GS would have been CDMA it would have been huge - before Android became a credible challenger. Talking with kids - 17-20 - today, its all about how Android lets you do more stuff and Apple keeps you locked down.
That's true. For the iPhone on Verizon WiFi will be your friend.
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Originally Posted by AIaddict
Yeah but the iPhone 5 on Verizon will still be on slow as shit 3G. HSPA+ means nothing for the Verizon people who are probably 16+ months from seeing an LTE iPhone.
The next iPhone, the 5 will just be a stop-gap until the real thing - A true LTE - phone is released as the iPhone 6. Buyers who hold out for the 5 will have even more buyers remorse than the buyers of the 4 - who by then will be ready for a subsidized upgrade to the 6. In addition, the $30 Unlimited VZ Data Plan probably won't be available to those who hold out for the iPhone 5. So, they will be doubly hosed.
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Originally Posted by MacHead75
I don't need the iPhone 5. I waited long enough for the VZW iPhone. And now that I have it, I'll be getting the iPhone 6 next year. Atleast it'll take full advantage of VZW's 4G LTE network!
Yep. This is why I bought an iPhone 4. By the time my contract reaches it's end date, the 6 should be good to go, and then LTE will be in the picture.
2) Verizon has horrible terms for length of time to get new phone subsidies making getting the iPhone 4 that much of a worse proposition vs. waiting for the iPhone 5
3) AT&T doesn't suck nearly as bad as many would have you believe
4) All of the above means people are probably going to wait until their current contracts are up before moving
<sarcasm>What a complete shock that there wasn't a mass uptake of the iPhone on Verizon! </sarcasm>
However, I have no doubt there will be plenty spinning this as an Apple failure or some other such nonsense.
Really? And how is that different from trying to sell a GSM iPhone in February? By your logic shouldn't they just stop selling phones after December?
The attraction is highest at product introduction and, I believe, Apple has every intention of being carrier agnostic. No, they don't stop selling phones but I think Apple will want a unified launch in the US.
as much as I don't know you, I hope this serves as a wake up call that despite all of what you might think of yourself, you shouldn't think that you had anything of substance to say.
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You have a very short memory. Back in 2007 they cut the price of the phone by $400, and ended up having to write a very large check to please the people who had already bought the phone. Same thing will happen again. I think Apple LOVES to have a release schedule that will allow them to have 2 large spikes in demand, half a year apart, rather than one EPIC spike in demand in summer.
Watch, it'll happen. Until the iPhone is 4G LTE, which won't happen this summer.
I think Apple will release both versions at the same time - they want to be carrier agnostic. And I think this situation is substantially different than cutting the phone price by 2/3s.
Besides, you then are faced with the same situation you have today - selling a phone half-way through its product cycle.
Apple will likely address any supply issues by adjusting launches in other countries.
Because Apple waited too long. If the 3GS would have been CDMA it would have been huge - before Android became a credible challenger. Talking with kids - 17-20 - today, its all about how Android lets you do more stuff and Apple keeps you locked down.
Funny thing - whenever I pass an Apple store, it seems there is always a throng of young people drooling over the iPhone.
I'm not saying that Apple is doomed (longterm shareholder), but the point is that the expectations that weren't met were Apple's and Verizon's, not some analyst's. The fact that Apple is smart company with lots of resources, and all of the data from it's own research, Verizon's customer data (when contracts expire, trends of when people will pay ETFs, etc), it irks me that (if the article is true) that their expectations were too high.
That should bother any shareholder at least a little, no?
I am a shareholder. I'm mildly disappointed but not really concerned. More phones will be sold as people come out of contract.
Not necessarily. The current LTE deployment is a stop-gap for LTE Advanced.
At this point HSPA+ can match and exceed Verizon's LTE deployment. That is the reason AT&T isn't too worried about LTE yet.
If AT&T's iPhone 5 has an HSPA+ radio that can achieve the maximum speed. It will be faster than LTE at this point.
Yeah but the iPhone 5 on Verizon will still be on slow as shit 3G. HSPA+ means nothing for the Verizon people who are probably 16+ months from seeing an LTE iPhone.
I am kind of enjoying the old Droid again. It is smooth and has a lot of really nice features that the iPhone does not have. I really do not want to give them up. Also I would have to pay $700.00 to get an iPhone as I have a year left on my 2 year contract.
Here are the features I would miss:
1) Free Wifi & USB Tethering. I use it to connect my iPad to 3G when not in a AT&T 3G area which is quite often. I also use it to connect my laptop when necessary.
2) Voice commands. Google did a great job with voice inputs. I can sent text and email by simply telling the phone who I want to send it to and saying the message. Really cool.
3) Voice text input in ANY text field. When the keyboard pops up I simply hit the mic and say what I want typed. I rarely type a lot any more. The Voice to text in Google is excellent.
4) Google Maps. Google Maps are simply better don in Android that on the iPhone ( remember I have an iPad for comparison )
5) I like being able to actually mount the phone as a USB drive to copy a file or directory between computers. I work with high tech equipment and a hande USB drive is nice to have.
6) I also like having Flash capability in the browser. Like it or not there is still a huge part of the web that is goign to be Flash only for a long time. I like to read about Automobile news and almost all of the sites are flash based.
Besides, you then are faced with the same situation you have today - selling a phone half-way through its product cycle.
Really? And how is that different from trying to sell a GSM iPhone in February? By your logic shouldn't they just stop selling phones after December?
Examples of Verizons crap: Kiosks in the local malls where the reps act as if they work for a traveling carnival. In actual free standing Verizon stores whole teams if sales people with extrodinary bad attitudes which are magnified in proportion to the persons stupidity with respect to knowledge about what they are selling. Endless marketing crap being directed at you. Bills and charges that are a complete mystery.
I could go on but at this point AT&T has my respect as a business. At least locally you actually feel like a customer. Verizon simply isn't all it is cracked up to be and has the feel of a slightly sleazy business. So unless you are in a class of people that don't have a choice, jumping ship to go with Verizon doesn't make a lot of sense.
well then let me elaborate:
-Apple had expectations that they would be a certain number of handsets sold at launch
-expectations would be based on the current generation device and what they perceive as the market demand for it
-this article theorizes that initial sales numbers did not meet those expectations or those of Verizon either
-if the article is in fact true, then it means that what Apple thinks about itself and its products doesn't actually represent where customers are willing to put their money
from that, I'm trying to say:
-Apple should bring their A game to all product releases and stop holding back features. They'll have to work harder to win over the customer whether because of competition, or because their product cycle timelines are becoming more predictable
-Apple does have a lot of sway. But I think they should realize that they shouldn't always use their influence especially when the outcomes don't always meet their expectations. This refers to the tough line they stood on the Verizon deal for years, the current subscription policy, cost of songs on iTunes, Flash (maaaybe not =p)
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Because Apple waited too long. If the 3GS would have been CDMA it would have been huge - before Android became a credible challenger. Talking with kids - 17-20 - today, its all about how Android lets you do more stuff and Apple keeps you locked down.
Yeah but the iPhone 5 on Verizon will still be on slow as shit 3G. HSPA+ means nothing for the Verizon people who are probably 16+ months from seeing an LTE iPhone.
The next iPhone, the 5 will just be a stop-gap until the real thing - A true LTE - phone is released as the iPhone 6. Buyers who hold out for the 5 will have even more buyers remorse than the buyers of the 4 - who by then will be ready for a subsidized upgrade to the 6. In addition, the $30 Unlimited VZ Data Plan probably won't be available to those who hold out for the iPhone 5. So, they will be doubly hosed.
I don't need the iPhone 5. I waited long enough for the VZW iPhone. And now that I have it, I'll be getting the iPhone 6 next year. Atleast it'll take full advantage of VZW's 4G LTE network!
Yep. This is why I bought an iPhone 4. By the time my contract reaches it's end date, the 6 should be good to go, and then LTE will be in the picture.
Perhaps the Verizon Iphone4 wasn't a blowout, however it certainly was a winner according to the COO of Verizon.
2) Verizon has horrible terms for length of time to get new phone subsidies making getting the iPhone 4 that much of a worse proposition vs. waiting for the iPhone 5
3) AT&T doesn't suck nearly as bad as many would have you believe
4) All of the above means people are probably going to wait until their current contracts are up before moving
<sarcasm>What a complete shock that there wasn't a mass uptake of the iPhone on Verizon! </sarcasm>
However, I have no doubt there will be plenty spinning this as an Apple failure or some other such nonsense.
Really? And how is that different from trying to sell a GSM iPhone in February? By your logic shouldn't they just stop selling phones after December?
The attraction is highest at product introduction and, I believe, Apple has every intention of being carrier agnostic. No, they don't stop selling phones but I think Apple will want a unified launch in the US.
as much as I don't know you, I hope this serves as a wake up call that despite all of what you might think of yourself, you shouldn't think that you had anything of substance to say.
Yeah. Apple is Doomed.?
Beleaguered...
iOS has more fragmentation than ever.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."