Tomahawk-I really don't see Apple ever going back to tray loading drives on portables especially. Also, unless the PowerBook gets a heck of a lot thicker it isn't going to fit. We just finally got a combo drive that would fit in there.
The iBook has a tray loading drive. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
3) has a pathetic video chipset with no VRAM (read the specs carefully) driving a very high resolution display, which is an unfortunate combination (and you thought Aqua was slow on a Mac...);
4) uses a mobile Pentium 3, which is not all that.
The Ti 667 owns that thing, even given the lower pixel count of its screen.
Mot already has your next PB update listed on its site. 7445 SOI G4's at 600 and 800 Mhz are available now. Depending on the quality of the fab the upper end could concievably stretch to 867, but don't look for it. (It did happen before when Apple canned the 667 because yeilds were all good to 733: there is room enough in production tolerances to go for a half speed increase) This proc is crying for a die shrink, and perhaps some neat IBM tech like Low-K. And that may in fact happen in the next 12-18 months, well at least the die shrink part. I still think 600 and 800 initially, and maybe soon too.
As far as HDD's go, there really isn't any need to spin drives any faster in a notebook. Just increase aerial density and the performance will get better. If there are more bits packed-in per degree of rotation you can get faster sustained performance without spinning the drive any faster. Add a bigger cache, say 8-16MB rather than the 1-2MB common today, and you'll have great performance without a loud, power-hungry rotation speed.
I talked someone at school into going with a PBG4 pretty much. He came to me asking what the fastest/best laptop he could get for $3000. He wants to do audio recording and he absolutely wants a laptop. He need his Cubase plugins though so I'm not sure what I can do for him with that. I told him I could give him Cubase 5.1 or maybe Logic for X when it is out and mentioned the fact that most artists use Macs. He said "Yeah and they all use the laptops". I pointed him to Apple's webpage and said "They're using this baby right here". Problem is I mentioned new models might be out soon so do you think I should tell him to wait until March? I don't want to have him wait for nothing. Also told him he could get the current ones cheaper too when the new models come out.
<strong>I talked someone at school into going with a PBG4 pretty much. He came to me asking what the fastest/best laptop he could get for $3000. He wants to do audio recording and he absolutely wants a laptop. He need his Cubase plugins though so I'm not sure what I can do for him with that. I told him I could give him Cubase 5.1 or maybe Logic for X when it is out and mentioned the fact that most artists use Macs. He said "Yeah and they all use the laptops". I pointed him to Apple's webpage and said "They're using this baby right here". Problem is I mentioned new models might be out soon so do you think I should tell him to wait until March? I don't want to have him wait for nothing. Also told him he could get the current ones cheaper too when the new models come out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds great, whenever he most needs it is when he should get it.
From what I hear, Logic has better Mac support than Cubase these days. You're certainly going to get the benefits of CoreAudio (or whatever it's called) faster with Logic.
This is just sooooo funny <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Seriously, ever seen any 2.5" 7200RPM drives, let alone any 100GB drive in that form factor at all? Ever wondered why not?
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
7200 RPm is unrealistic but 100GB will be reached this year. Fujitsu announced a new "breakthrough" last fall about it. I believe they will be 60, 80, 100. IBM will also likely have an 80 GB by year's end
[quote]Does anybody actually ship the Mobility 7500 yet? Or what other card would you consider less "dated"?<hr></blockquote>
yes, several do. not sure which specific ones but xlr8yourmac had a review of one against a Powerbook G4/667 maybe a month or 2 ago
7200 RPm is unrealistic but 100GB will be reached this year. Fujitsu announced a new "breakthrough" last fall about it. I believe they will be 60, 80, 100. IBM will also likely have an 80 GB by year's end
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Well, even if that's the case, I bet quite some people would like to have the PBG4 updated a little earlier than year's end...
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yes, several do. not sure which specific ones but xlr8yourmac had a review of one against a Powerbook G4/667 maybe a month or 2 ago
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just read somewhere the Inspirion 8100 can be had with a Mobility 7500 already. Still, the majority of high-end laptops still use the non-7500 version, and a huge part of the rest even uses some shared memory crap (SiS630 and stuff), so I don't really think calling the Radeon Mobility "really, really dated" is in any way justified.
Just read somewhere the Inspirion 8100 can be had with a Mobility 7500 already. Still, the majority of high-end laptops still use the non-7500 version, and a huge part of the rest even uses some shared memory crap (SiS630 and stuff), so I don't really think calling the Radeon Mobility "really, really dated" is in any way justified.
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBM 60GB is available today so apple could easily bump the books to 30, 48, 60BTO
price permitting of course
the radeon mobility certainly is not outdated but the powerbook is a "leader" or at least suppose to be in the notebook market. plus its pin compatible so an upgrade to a radeon 7500 would seem very likely and a welcome addition in a month or 2
Now that nvidia has released it's new GPUs, which would be better for a new powerbook, the geforce4 go or the mobility radeon 7500? Both seem like extremely impressive GPUs with advanced power management capabilities (and I guess I'd be happy if either one showed up in a powerbook at Tokyo)
Except that 1600 x 1024 is (a) the wrong aspect ratio (the Ti screen is 3 x 2, not 16 x 10) and (b) the same resolution as the 22 inch cinema display, which means that a 1600 x 1024 TiBook when either be prohibitively expensive or mark the coming of a new Cinema Display.
But, anyhow, 5 more weeks till MacWorld Tokyo (checks bank statement...)
<strong>i see a revision with 733 mhz and 867 mhz appolo G4 for the same prize. Perhaps there will be also larger HD , and all the mobo will be based upon the 133 mhz bus.
A harder question is : what will be the next chip for the I book , G4 (every mac will be G4) or sahara chips from IBM ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
they're not using the apollo now, and the old towers weren't either- so why would they clock apollos at the old increments? i say there will be an 800, and maybe a 7xx on the low side of 700
<strong>Why would 1600x1024 make it too expensive?
1152-by-768 is 15:10, so 1600x1024 would be 15.6:10... so it'll be somewhere between 1600x1024 and 1080.
Are you one of those 4/3 of people who can't do fractions? </strong><hr></blockquote>
I was going by the fact that Apple's own site refers to the Cinema Display as 16 x 10. Believe, I can do fractions (at least well enough to get into college). If 1600 x 1024 is $2499 in a 22 inch monitor, it logically flows that it might be fairly expensive in a laptop. Plus, I think any horizontal resolution of greater than 1400 would be counterproductive (things would be too small). The resolutional equivalent of the 12 inch iBook's dpi would be something like 1335 x 890 (and yes, the pythagorean theorem does have applications outside of high school!) Anyhow, just my opinion on things. Take it or leave it.
I was kidding man.. read my post again.. 4/3's of people.. get it... he he.
I see your point but I think the physical size of the screen has more to do with the price. the 12" ibook has a very high pixel density and yet it's in the best value for your money laptop you can buy (IMHO).
If you have a high enough pixel densisty the anti-aliasing of reducing the resolution will be reduced.
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The iBook has a tray loading drive. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Better graphics card I would think is the most likelly as the one in the TiBook is really, really dated.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Does anybody actually ship the Mobility 7500 yet? Or what other card would you consider less "dated"?
Bye,
RazzFazz
The HP:
1) is butt ugly;
2) is bulkier and heavier;
3) has a pathetic video chipset with no VRAM (read the specs carefully) driving a very high resolution display, which is an unfortunate combination (and you thought Aqua was slow on a Mac...);
4) uses a mobile Pentium 3, which is not all that.
The Ti 667 owns that thing, even given the lower pixel count of its screen.
Mot already has your next PB update listed on its site. 7445 SOI G4's at 600 and 800 Mhz are available now. Depending on the quality of the fab the upper end could concievably stretch to 867, but don't look for it. (It did happen before when Apple canned the 667 because yeilds were all good to 733: there is room enough in production tolerances to go for a half speed increase) This proc is crying for a die shrink, and perhaps some neat IBM tech like Low-K. And that may in fact happen in the next 12-18 months, well at least the die shrink part. I still think 600 and 800 initially, and maybe soon too.
As far as HDD's go, there really isn't any need to spin drives any faster in a notebook. Just increase aerial density and the performance will get better. If there are more bits packed-in per degree of rotation you can get faster sustained performance without spinning the drive any faster. Add a bigger cache, say 8-16MB rather than the 1-2MB common today, and you'll have great performance without a loud, power-hungry rotation speed.
<strong>I talked someone at school into going with a PBG4 pretty much. He came to me asking what the fastest/best laptop he could get for $3000. He wants to do audio recording and he absolutely wants a laptop. He need his Cubase plugins though so I'm not sure what I can do for him with that. I told him I could give him Cubase 5.1 or maybe Logic for X when it is out and mentioned the fact that most artists use Macs. He said "Yeah and they all use the laptops". I pointed him to Apple's webpage and said "They're using this baby right here". Problem is I mentioned new models might be out soon so do you think I should tell him to wait until March? I don't want to have him wait for nothing. Also told him he could get the current ones cheaper too when the new models come out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds great, whenever he most needs it is when he should get it.
Then again, I did hear it on the internet.....
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ROFLPIMP!
This is just sooooo funny <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Seriously, ever seen any 2.5" 7200RPM drives, let alone any 100GB drive in that form factor at all? Ever wondered why not?
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
7200 RPm is unrealistic but 100GB will be reached this year. Fujitsu announced a new "breakthrough" last fall about it. I believe they will be 60, 80, 100. IBM will also likely have an 80 GB by year's end
[quote]Does anybody actually ship the Mobility 7500 yet? Or what other card would you consider less "dated"?<hr></blockquote>
yes, several do. not sure which specific ones but xlr8yourmac had a review of one against a Powerbook G4/667 maybe a month or 2 ago
<strong>
7200 RPm is unrealistic but 100GB will be reached this year. Fujitsu announced a new "breakthrough" last fall about it. I believe they will be 60, 80, 100. IBM will also likely have an 80 GB by year's end
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, even if that's the case, I bet quite some people would like to have the PBG4 updated a little earlier than year's end...
[quote]<strong>
yes, several do. not sure which specific ones but xlr8yourmac had a review of one against a Powerbook G4/667 maybe a month or 2 ago
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just read somewhere the Inspirion 8100 can be had with a Mobility 7500 already. Still, the majority of high-end laptops still use the non-7500 version, and a huge part of the rest even uses some shared memory crap (SiS630 and stuff), so I don't really think calling the Radeon Mobility "really, really dated" is in any way justified.
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>
Just read somewhere the Inspirion 8100 can be had with a Mobility 7500 already. Still, the majority of high-end laptops still use the non-7500 version, and a huge part of the rest even uses some shared memory crap (SiS630 and stuff), so I don't really think calling the Radeon Mobility "really, really dated" is in any way justified.
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBM 60GB is available today so apple could easily bump the books to 30, 48, 60BTO
price permitting of course
the radeon mobility certainly is not outdated but the powerbook is a "leader" or at least suppose to be in the notebook market. plus its pin compatible so an upgrade to a radeon 7500 would seem very likely and a welcome addition in a month or 2
Apple get's my money when they offer me:
1600x1024 res
And one of the 2 vid cards you mentioned.
But, anyhow, 5 more weeks till MacWorld Tokyo (checks bank statement...)
<strong>i see a revision with 733 mhz and 867 mhz appolo G4 for the same prize. Perhaps there will be also larger HD , and all the mobo will be based upon the 133 mhz bus.
A harder question is : what will be the next chip for the I book , G4 (every mac will be G4) or sahara chips from IBM ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
they're not using the apollo now, and the old towers weren't either- so why would they clock apollos at the old increments? i say there will be an 800, and maybe a 7xx on the low side of 700
- Pook
* only honored for first screen resolution increase.
1152-by-768 is 15:10, so 1600x1024 would be 15.6:10... so it'll be somewhere between 1600x1024 and 1080.
Are you one of those 4/3 of people who can't do fractions?
<strong>Why would 1600x1024 make it too expensive?
1152-by-768 is 15:10, so 1600x1024 would be 15.6:10... so it'll be somewhere between 1600x1024 and 1080.
Are you one of those 4/3 of people who can't do fractions? </strong><hr></blockquote>
I was going by the fact that Apple's own site refers to the Cinema Display as 16 x 10. Believe, I can do fractions (at least well enough to get into college). If 1600 x 1024 is $2499 in a 22 inch monitor, it logically flows that it might be fairly expensive in a laptop. Plus, I think any horizontal resolution of greater than 1400 would be counterproductive (things would be too small). The resolutional equivalent of the 12 inch iBook's dpi would be something like 1335 x 890 (and yes, the pythagorean theorem does have applications outside of high school!) Anyhow, just my opinion on things. Take it or leave it.
I was kidding man.. read my post again.. 4/3's of people.. get it... he he.
I see your point but I think the physical size of the screen has more to do with the price. the 12" ibook has a very high pixel density and yet it's in the best value for your money laptop you can buy (IMHO).
If you have a high enough pixel densisty the anti-aliasing of reducing the resolution will be reduced.