Assuming we are talking about the next revision of Powerbooks getting the new G4 chips which supposedly run cooler, I have a question:
Will the next Powerbook revision solve the fan problem?
I have been holding out on the Powerbook since discovering (all over the web) that these things run just a little too hot. I don't want my laptop to sound like a jet engine taking off in the distance, and that's what the stage 2 fan has been compared to more than once.
Are you implying a higher screen resolution due to the new graphics chip?
What other reason would there be to put in a new graphics chip?
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Other reasons:
1. Better graphics performance for graphic design, digital video editing, etc.
2. Better game performance.
3. Better support for an external display at high resolutions.
For these reasons, I think the Titanium should have at least 32 MB vRAM. If I had a titanuium, I'd want to be able to drive an external monitor at high resolution with no problems, and to play Quake from time to time. 16 MB vRAM simply is not enough for this.
16 Mb isn't enough for gaming, but it's fine for almost anything else. I like to play Quake 3A sometimes, so I'd go for 32 MB myself. Also, 32 MB vRAM would "future-proof" a laptop, so 3 years from now it wouldn't be obsolete. Who know's what Apple's going to do with Quartz acceleration?
64 MB is probably overkill for a laptop, but if it had a real fast GPU, it might be usable. I'm not sure about that one.
I almost think they will try to push the next powerbook high end above 800Mhz just to get it above the new iMacs. Even a 867Mhz would do the trick and I think it is very possible.
I'd LOVE to see them hit 1Ghz or even 933Mhz though!
1. Better graphics performance for graphic design,</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, as long as it's 3D modelling, yes. Otherwise, not really.
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digital video editing, etc.
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Again, no benefit here, this is limited by the G4 and the memory subsystem, not the GFX card.
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2. Better game performance.
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This probably being the one area that would by far be the most affected by a new GFX chip.
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3. Better support for an external display at high resolutions.
For these reasons, I think the Titanium should have at least 32 MB vRAM. If I had a titanuium, I'd want to be able to drive an external monitor at high resolution with no problems, and to play Quake from time to time. 16 MB vRAM simply is not enough for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
In 2D mode, are there any relevant restrictions with the current 16MB? (Seriously, I don't know.)
(And I don't really think you would play Q3 in multi-monitor mode, so this doesn't really apply.)
<strong>Apparently we are not going to see an update to the PowerBook for quite a while.
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...nothing big - no new pb any time soon but just revisions. bummer. I believe the iBook (14") has the greatest potential of a new display (1280x1024).
...nothing big - no new pb any time soon but just revisions. bummer. I believe the iBook (14") has the greatest potential of a new display (1280x1024).</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 14 inch iBook seems like it doesn't fit the product matrix very well. Does anyone buy these things? If you want a big screen get the TiBook. If you want a lower cost, compact book get the iBook. The 14 inch thing just doesn't fit.
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<strong>My question is whether it's the LCD screen or is it the video card that's the problem. Or both?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's the screen. The Mobility Radeon that's in the powerbook right now supports up to 1920 x 1440 or something like that on external displays.
<strong>Good point.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you (assuming that was in reference to me...)
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Someone mentions the 26th (presumably of this month) as a possible date for a Titanium revision.
Has anyone heard anything about the 26th?
-Rupert
600-800MHz
ATI Radeon 7500 w 32mb ddr
48gb standard in high end, 60 bto
512mb standard on high end
133mhz bus
that display connector is in for a change
perhaps # of fw and usb as well
just speculation and gathering of the most likely facts on this board, plus the fact that apple is now getting pissed at nvidia as well
667, 800
ATI Radeon 7500 w 32 MB DDR
256, 512
30, 48 (60 BTO)
133 bus
possibly higher res display (1536 x 1024)
This continues Apple's recent trend of making things look like what used to be top of the line, the low end model.
733 $3499 tower --> 733 $1699 tower (despite lack of L3 cache on the quicksilver one)
dual 800 $3499 tower --> single 800 $1599 tower (despite lack of L3 cache and no. of processors)
dual 800 $3499 tower --> single 800 $1799 iMac (repeat above)
Apple seems to like to make things appear to be good deals by this method.
667 $2999 powerbook --> 667 $2199 powerbook
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What other reason would there be to put in a new graphics chip?
The current one can already drive 1920 x 1440 on an extermal display.
-Rupert
Will the next Powerbook revision solve the fan problem?
I have been holding out on the Powerbook since discovering (all over the web) that these things run just a little too hot. I don't want my laptop to sound like a jet engine taking off in the distance, and that's what the stage 2 fan has been compared to more than once.
-- PEte
Are you implying a higher screen resolution due to the new graphics chip?
What other reason would there be to put in a new graphics chip?
<hr></blockquote>
Other reasons:
1. Better graphics performance for graphic design, digital video editing, etc.
2. Better game performance.
3. Better support for an external display at high resolutions.
For these reasons, I think the Titanium should have at least 32 MB vRAM. If I had a titanuium, I'd want to be able to drive an external monitor at high resolution with no problems, and to play Quake from time to time. 16 MB vRAM simply is not enough for this.
32 MB would be nice though and would help a bit in areas.
64 MB would be sweet but unApple
64 MB is probably overkill for a laptop, but if it had a real fast GPU, it might be usable. I'm not sure about that one.
Please add more competition here so we can have a less biased look at pro laptop options.
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I'd LOVE to see them hit 1Ghz or even 933Mhz though!
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1. Better graphics performance for graphic design,</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, as long as it's 3D modelling, yes. Otherwise, not really.
[quote]<strong>
digital video editing, etc.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Again, no benefit here, this is limited by the G4 and the memory subsystem, not the GFX card.
[quote]<strong>
2. Better game performance.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
This probably being the one area that would by far be the most affected by a new GFX chip.
[quote]<strong>
3. Better support for an external display at high resolutions.
For these reasons, I think the Titanium should have at least 32 MB vRAM. If I had a titanuium, I'd want to be able to drive an external monitor at high resolution with no problems, and to play Quake from time to time. 16 MB vRAM simply is not enough for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
In 2D mode, are there any relevant restrictions with the current 16MB? (Seriously, I don't know.)
(And I don't really think you would play Q3 in multi-monitor mode, so this doesn't really apply.)
Bye,
RazzFazz
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<strong>Apparently we are not going to see an update to the PowerBook for quite a while.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
...nothing big - no new pb any time soon but just revisions. bummer. I believe the iBook (14") has the greatest potential of a new display (1280x1024).
Even if the Powerbooks got 1536 x 1024, the iBook (14") would have just as good a resolution as the Powerbook again (like now).
-Rupert
<strong>Why would the iBook's 14" display get 1280 x 1024 if the Powerbooks are still stuck at 1152 x 768.
Even if the Powerbooks got 1536 x 1024, the iBook (14") would have just as good a resolution as the Powerbook again (like now).
-Rupert</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, it would have to be 1280 x 960 (sorry, i guess i've become sort of the "ratio diety")
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...nothing big - no new pb any time soon but just revisions. bummer. I believe the iBook (14") has the greatest potential of a new display (1280x1024).</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 14 inch iBook seems like it doesn't fit the product matrix very well. Does anyone buy these things? If you want a big screen get the TiBook. If you want a lower cost, compact book get the iBook. The 14 inch thing just doesn't fit.