Are you also counting AppleTV2 and the original iPhone?
No. Android devices vs. iOS devices.
There are far more iOS devices. More sales, more in use, and their numbers are increasing at a faster rate as well.
I was trying to avoid making a long long post by pointing out the inexactness of the terms being used. The poster used the term "market" without specifying if it was addressable market or current market share or even if they were talking about smartphone market share or mobile device market share. Like most Android supporters, they were probably talking only about "US sales to the channel of handests that could be referred to as smartphones," but instead they said "market."
So instead of rephrasing everything they said, pointing out the grammatical and logical errors in the sentences and then constructing the huge counter argument, I just took the statement literally and pointed out that the statement was wrong.
The shorthand is:
market leading smartphone = iPhone (by a vast, vast, vast margin)
market leading platform = iOS (by only a huge margin, not a vast one)
Those are the basic facts of the Apple vs. Google war we've all been following these last few years.
If RIM doesn't play its cards right it will end up like Palm. The problem is that there is so many devices out there that RIM is falling behind. Playbook should have been out two years ago and cost a lot of money but who cares just get it out on the market. RIM is falling behind in the mobile game.
But having the ability to play Flash is not a problem!
RIM got one thing right when they said, "Playtime is over."
RIM, PlayBook's playtime is over!
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I disagree. I think the Playbook is the most promising of iPad's competitors. Certainly technical hiccups are common for such devices, Apple included, and I don't think anyone would consider it a deal-breaker that a few devices needed to be recalled so early in a product's lifecycle.
That said, RIM should have waited a little longer to bring out a more polished product. Still, if they do get a lot of the kinks out quickly, I think the Playbook might just be one of the survivors.
I disagree. I think the Playbook is the most promising of iPad's competitors. Certainly technical hiccups are common for such devices, Apple included, and I don't think anyone would consider it a deal-breaker that a few devices needed to be recalled so early in a product's lifecycle.
That said, RIM should have waited a little longer to bring out a more polished product. Still, if they do get a lot of the kinks out quickly, I think the Playbook might just be one of the survivors.
Bad start but not necessarily game over.
It?s not about 1000 devices being recalled. If that was out of 3 million that wouldn?t be a big deal, but we know the sales are stale. How do we know this? Because it was noted that most were still sitting at Staples.
RiM should created a polished product so that they can earn mindshare out of the gate. They did what Palm and others tried to do and ended up losing everything despite having some very solid ideas.
Do you think RiM can make PlayBook 2: Electric Boogaloo desirable? I?m not so sure. Even if it trounce the iPad in every conceivable way (which isn?t possible) they now have a bad rep that will be hard to shake.
I think the big difference, is that people need phones.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
"Huang also went on to offer a more positive outlook regarding upcoming products. He noted that the initial struggles are just the first batch of Android 3.0 tablets, and improvements will be made."
"So we'd like to thank the first batch of beta testers who dropped serious coin to test our initial batch of crap!"
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
I think you are being *far* to literal, certainly to be helpful.. By your literal definition, no one needs anything but oxygen, water, legumes, a loincloth(maybe) and perhaps a bridge to live under.
Yet, I would argue that I need pants, shirts, indoor plumbing and a car. I certainly need computers. Without one, I cannot write software. My job may also dictate needing to be reached, even when away from a landline. Just because you don't need a mobile phone, doesn't mean someone else doesn't either.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
That all depends on your perception. You?re perceiving needs at a base level of technically surviving so you?ve got nutrients(food), water, oxygen, and some sort of shelter from the elements as your only needs.
But tell me what a web designed needs to do his job? A computer and access to the internet to upload/check a site. These are needs for that occupation. Now tell me what a lorry driver needs to do their job? A driver?s license is needed.
When people talk of necessities they are talking about the modern world in which they live, not some Ludditism ideal or Maslovian definition.
Local file management, file sharing, printing... to name three areas that could be improved. The two first are really one, I guess.
Don't forget the handling of multitasking in a way that allows multiple 'windows' per app. The Pre stuff looks very nice in terms of letting you have more than one new mail open at a time, including multiple browser windows (or tabs or whatever they are) in the multitasking overview. (Oh... cards! That's what they called them!) Anyway, agreed, having competition should drive things forward and there are definitely areas that have room to get better.
It?s not about 1000 devices being recalled. If that was out of 3 million that wouldn?t be a big deal, but we know the sales are stale. How do we know this? Because it was noted that most were still sitting at Staples.
RiM should created a polished product so that they can earn mindshare out of the gate. They did what Palm and others tried to do and ended up losing everything despite having some very solid ideas.
Do you think RiM can make PlayBook 2: Electric Boogaloo desirable? I?m not so sure. Even if it trounce the iPad in every conceivable way (which isn?t possible) they now have a bad rep that will be hard to shake.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
More power to you, but you are a one in probably 10-million person these days, no joke.
Its isn't essential like water. And perhaps that isn't QUITE the right term, but you are getting into semantics because I'm sure you understand exactly what I'm saying.
Your lifestyle, whether you want to admit it or not, is extremely rare.
That you dont own a cell phone and contribute to online discussion forums? Well, I dont even want to attempt to put a number to how rare that likely is.
Don't forget the handling of multitasking in a way that allows multiple 'windows' per app. The Pre stuff looks very nice in terms of letting you have more than one new mail open at a time, including multiple browser windows (or tabs or whatever they are) in the multitasking overview. (Oh... cards! That's what they called them!) Anyway, agreed, having competition should drive things forward and there are definitely areas that have room to get better.
Not thick. I would bet quite a bit that when most people are thinking about tablet(or even a PC) think, "I hope it multitasks well". And few, I would further wager, care if you can run a 2" video while browsing your album lists.
What people, IMO, want to do is listen to music while browsing. Then, if email chimes, go to that email, them go back to browsing, at the same spot.
That's it.
Whenever I watch people use computer, almost all of them, run apps full screen, and tend to shutdown things when they finish and restart them when I want to use them again. As long as certain tasks(printing, music, IM, etc) can be run simultaneously, most people don't are about things like cards.
I suspect that the Playbook, Touchpad and Android vendors will learn this lesson this year. Whether they learn from it is a different matter.
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Facts?
Are you also counting AppleTV2 and the original iPhone?
No. Android devices vs. iOS devices.
There are far more iOS devices. More sales, more in use, and their numbers are increasing at a faster rate as well.
I was trying to avoid making a long long post by pointing out the inexactness of the terms being used. The poster used the term "market" without specifying if it was addressable market or current market share or even if they were talking about smartphone market share or mobile device market share. Like most Android supporters, they were probably talking only about "US sales to the channel of handests that could be referred to as smartphones," but instead they said "market."
So instead of rephrasing everything they said, pointing out the grammatical and logical errors in the sentences and then constructing the huge counter argument, I just took the statement literally and pointed out that the statement was wrong.
The shorthand is:
market leading smartphone = iPhone (by a vast, vast, vast margin)
market leading platform = iOS (by only a huge margin, not a vast one)
Those are the basic facts of the Apple vs. Google war we've all been following these last few years.
I'm not an Android fan at all. Don't own one. Don't want to own one. But I don't laugh at them either.
Apologies if it came across that way. It was a simple sentence though and I think you are reading emotions in that don't exist.
But having the ability to play Flash is not a problem!
RIM got one thing right when they said, "Playtime is over."
RIM, PlayBook's playtime is over!
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I disagree. I think the Playbook is the most promising of iPad's competitors. Certainly technical hiccups are common for such devices, Apple included, and I don't think anyone would consider it a deal-breaker that a few devices needed to be recalled so early in a product's lifecycle.
That said, RIM should have waited a little longer to bring out a more polished product. Still, if they do get a lot of the kinks out quickly, I think the Playbook might just be one of the survivors.
Bad start but not necessarily game over.
I disagree. I think the Playbook is the most promising of iPad's competitors. Certainly technical hiccups are common for such devices, Apple included, and I don't think anyone would consider it a deal-breaker that a few devices needed to be recalled so early in a product's lifecycle.
That said, RIM should have waited a little longer to bring out a more polished product. Still, if they do get a lot of the kinks out quickly, I think the Playbook might just be one of the survivors.
Bad start but not necessarily game over.
It?s not about 1000 devices being recalled. If that was out of 3 million that wouldn?t be a big deal, but we know the sales are stale. How do we know this? Because it was noted that most were still sitting at Staples.
RiM should created a polished product so that they can earn mindshare out of the gate. They did what Palm and others tried to do and ended up losing everything despite having some very solid ideas.
Do you think RiM can make PlayBook 2: Electric Boogaloo desirable? I?m not so sure. Even if it trounce the iPad in every conceivable way (which isn?t possible) they now have a bad rep that will be hard to shake.
I think the big difference, is that people need phones.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
Apparently amateur hour isn't quite over yet.
RIM might want to consider terminating that particular advertising campaign until
their product works.
...The Good News is that the majority of the 1.000 units are Still In The Channel and have Not Been Sold To End Users!
Exactly, RIM says they have good news and bad news. The bad news is that none of their Playbooks work. The good news is that nobody has noticed.
Talk about making lemonade from lemons...
comScore noted it last month: Apple iOS Platform Outreaches Android by 59 Percent in U.S. When Accounting for Mobile Phones, Tablets and Other Connected Media Devices
Wow. . . Fewer than 40 million iOS devices?? I thought it was well over 120 million??
That doesn't make any sense at all.
"So we'd like to thank the first batch of beta testers who dropped serious coin to test our initial batch of crap!"
I just don't laugh at the competition.
That's because you're a curmudgeon.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
I think you are being *far* to literal, certainly to be helpful.. By your literal definition, no one needs anything but oxygen, water, legumes, a loincloth(maybe) and perhaps a bridge to live under.
Yet, I would argue that I need pants, shirts, indoor plumbing and a car. I certainly need computers. Without one, I cannot write software. My job may also dictate needing to be reached, even when away from a landline. Just because you don't need a mobile phone, doesn't mean someone else doesn't either.
Just a reality check.
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
That all depends on your perception. You?re perceiving needs at a base level of technically surviving so you?ve got nutrients(food), water, oxygen, and some sort of shelter from the elements as your only needs.
But tell me what a web designed needs to do his job? A computer and access to the internet to upload/check a site. These are needs for that occupation. Now tell me what a lorry driver needs to do their job? A driver?s license is needed.
When people talk of necessities they are talking about the modern world in which they live, not some Ludditism ideal or Maslovian definition.
Local file management, file sharing, printing... to name three areas that could be improved. The two first are really one, I guess.
Don't forget the handling of multitasking in a way that allows multiple 'windows' per app. The Pre stuff looks very nice in terms of letting you have more than one new mail open at a time, including multiple browser windows (or tabs or whatever they are) in the multitasking overview. (Oh... cards! That's what they called them!) Anyway, agreed, having competition should drive things forward and there are definitely areas that have room to get better.
Wow. . . Fewer than 40 million iOS devices?? I thought it was well over 120 million??
That doesn't make any sense at all.
Didn?t we already have a lengthy discussion about total unit sales v. installed base?
It?s not about 1000 devices being recalled. If that was out of 3 million that wouldn?t be a big deal, but we know the sales are stale. How do we know this? Because it was noted that most were still sitting at Staples.
RiM should created a polished product so that they can earn mindshare out of the gate. They did what Palm and others tried to do and ended up losing everything despite having some very solid ideas.
Do you think RiM can make PlayBook 2: Electric Boogaloo desirable? I?m not so sure. Even if it trounce the iPad in every conceivable way (which isn?t possible) they now have a bad rep that will be hard to shake.
Mmmm...
Where can I get one of those Electric Boogaloos?
RIM might want to consider terminating that particular advertising campaign until
their product works.
Mmmmm....
Where can I get one of these PlayPens?
Now tell me what a lorry driver needs to do their job? A driver’s license is needed.
Lorry?
Fascinating. I've recently crossed the half century mark and still manage to operate as a fully functioning member of society without a mobile phone and I still manage to meet friends, go on holiday, catch trains, visit my family, go to shows and cook my own food! Nobody needs a mobile phone. The words need and essential have become so debased as shown by the "Essentials" range introduced by Waitrose (a UK supermarket) which includes, in December such essentials as "strawberries, cherries, sweetcorn, baby avocado ... and on and on".
Mobile phones are want items. I just think it helps to have a little reality check from time to time.
More power to you, but you are a one in probably 10-million person these days, no joke.
Its isn't essential like water. And perhaps that isn't QUITE the right term, but you are getting into semantics because I'm sure you understand exactly what I'm saying.
Your lifestyle, whether you want to admit it or not, is extremely rare.
That you dont own a cell phone and contribute to online discussion forums? Well, I dont even want to attempt to put a number to how rare that likely is.
Don't forget the handling of multitasking in a way that allows multiple 'windows' per app. The Pre stuff looks very nice in terms of letting you have more than one new mail open at a time, including multiple browser windows (or tabs or whatever they are) in the multitasking overview. (Oh... cards! That's what they called them!) Anyway, agreed, having competition should drive things forward and there are definitely areas that have room to get better.
Not thick. I would bet quite a bit that when most people are thinking about tablet(or even a PC) think, "I hope it multitasks well". And few, I would further wager, care if you can run a 2" video while browsing your album lists.
What people, IMO, want to do is listen to music while browsing. Then, if email chimes, go to that email, them go back to browsing, at the same spot.
That's it.
Whenever I watch people use computer, almost all of them, run apps full screen, and tend to shutdown things when they finish and restart them when I want to use them again. As long as certain tasks(printing, music, IM, etc) can be run simultaneously, most people don't are about things like cards.
I suspect that the Playbook, Touchpad and Android vendors will learn this lesson this year. Whether they learn from it is a different matter.