I'm of the belief that many rules and laws come into being by someone who has rationalized that they themself can safely do w/o said vice, but wishes to arbitrarily penalize others who will not be so indifferent to said vice. If something can be declared under vice, there's enforcement involved, and likely revenue-generation involved from penalty fees, etc. Often it is simply just a manner to enforce one's arbritrary moral code over others, when in fact, it is arbritrary.
For example, what if one day someone made a law that having sex with your wife is explicitly illegal unless for purposes of procreation. It is no coincidence "that somebody" fits lawfully into this new restriction (why would somebody pass a law that they knowingly would break?). Inevitably, there will even be others who agree with the new law. You can make all sorts of moral associations to support the "rightness" of this new law. Wanting sex from your wife merely out of pleasure is depraved and dirty, and thus immoral. All of a sudden a large group of people will find themself on the wrong side of the law. Naturally, they will see it as unjust, because they know they cannot make do under the new restrictions. It is a law, however, so that must mean it is moral. However, this moral distinction came completely out of the arbritrary rationalizations of this single lawmaker, when it wasn't even immoral to begin with. I'm rambling anyway, but just thought my thoughts would have something to do with this topic...
<strong>i think walking into the topic of legalizing prostituion thinking that it's a "victimless" crime is a mistake.
now you can try and argue that legality and illegality are the reasons that prostition has such negative effects on women, but i don't think that's true.
i think that it's inherently degrading and harmful to sell your body and your self respect for money.
have any of you ever known girls who were strippers or prostitutes? it's almost invariably a destructive extension of a shitty life, and it spirals down, not up.
pretty women doesn't happen in real life.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Degrading? It's degrading to men. Prostitution, for those that choose to do it, should empower women. They have something that men want. Frankly, prostitution goes on every single day. Every golddigger is nothing more than a whore. The golddigger gives sex. The rich man gives her gifts and/or money. However, since they are under the guise of dating, it isn't technically prostitution. Feh. Face it. Prostitution goes on every single day.
Also, there are plenty of strippers and prostitutes that enjoy what they do and don't spiral downward. However, if you want things that help you spiral downard to be illegal, let's bring back prohibition. Alcoholism can sure lead to a downard spiral. F**K personal responsibility! Let's make the choices FOR others because obviously they can't take the responsibility to make their own decisions. F**king fascist.
<strong>Wow, this is a much more bipolar issue than I had expected on these boards. Basically, it comes down to those who think it should be regulated and legal and those who think it's "just wrong". This has inspired me to start a thread about the chickenshit "just wrong" argument we hear so much from the right.
It comes down to this: With prostitution illegal, more women suffer, more families are broken, more disease is spread, and organized crime is further perpetuated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that it just comes down to some people are nosy busybodies and some people care about individual freedoms. I hate to break it down that way but frankly that's the cold, hard truth.
[quote]Also, there are plenty of strippers and prostitutes that enjoy what they do and don't spiral downward. However, if you want things that help you spiral downard to be illegal, let's bring back prohibition. Alcoholism can sure lead to a downard spiral. F**K personal responsibility! Let's make the choices FOR others because obviously they can't take the responsibility to make their own decisions. F**king fascist.<hr></blockquote>
it's an interesting point, but i don't think the correlation between drinking and prostitution (or stripping) exists the way you think it does. if you notice, in your post you say prostitution is comparable to alcoholism, not drinking alcohol. it's a fine line, but an important one.
you can have a few drinks with dinner, a beer or two at the game, and you don't have a problem with alcohol. you don't prostitute yourself once or twice a week and not have a problem. the two aren't really the same thing, although i'd be interested to know if you believe they are.
same with smoking pot. you can smoke up and not be addicted, and not have adverse effects on your self esteem or self image. that's not the case with whoring yourself out. if you think they're the same, ask yourself if you'd equate a friend of yours having a beer with selling her body for money.
would you feel bad for her if you saw her drinking a beer? what about if you saw her naked hanging from a pole for cash? there is a difference.
you can tell me it's because i'm a facist, that's fine, but i personally feel that you're making your arguments out of a purely speculative, theoretical background. if you had the time, and really wanted to find out why people think prostitution is wrong, get to know some folks who have or who are doing it. then come back and tell me how empowering it is.
if you had the time, and really wanted to find out why people think prostitution is wrong, get to know some folks who have or who are doing it. then come back and tell me how empowering it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well it would be a bit of an unfair analogy comparing currently active illegal prostitutes, but there are success stories out of Nevada. I actually remember a recent one (a few years ago) about a married woman that decided to be a prostitute and ultimately ran for (and I believe won) a seat in the state's government.
it's an interesting point, but i don't think the correlation between drinking and prostitution (or stripping) exists the way you think it does. if you notice, in your post you say prostitution is comparable to alcoholism, not drinking alcohol. it's a fine line, but an important one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No. I say that any abuse of any legal substance or practice can be bad. I compare prostitution to alcohol and sex addiction to alcoholism. I should have been more clear in my first post.
<strong> pimps, triads and corrupt police officers who profit while women are afflicted with abuse, demoralization and disease, families are broken and men lose their ability to treat women with respect.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is reason enough for me that with this specific topic there is nothing to gain by making this a legal action.
With respect for all,
Fellowship
Edit, Have you seen what dominates daytime television in America? Springer, Divorce Court, Soaps that encourage the notion that "I could not help but lust" at any expense. Family, Faith, and Fortune. All about self. But when you evaluate the people on talk shows such as springer and other "shock" media the people who want what "they" want are by no means happy people.
If only society would reflect on things of lasting value. Temporary fix actions lead to destruction and have nothing to add to a quality life.
Quality life? or a life of hurt, despair and hopelessness.
Sure those on springer act as if they are empowered by their sinful ways but at home when they reflect over their lives I would be willing to bet that they are empty and hurting people who need what of all things?
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>
That is reason enough for me that with this specific topic there is nothing to gain by making this a legal action.
With respect for all,
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you not understand that those circumstances exist BECAUSE it is illegal? Of course you don't. Screw the truth. This here book of mine says that there action's a sin! BURN THE WITCH!
Do you not understand that those circumstances exist BECAUSE it is illegal? Of course you don't. Screw the truth. This here book of mine says that there action's a sin! BURN THE WITCH!</strong><hr></blockquote>
BR there is no substitute for Love.
People who grasp at anything to "try" to replace love are fools.. It can not be done..
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>
BR there is no substitute for Love.
People who grasp at anything to "try" to replace love are fools.. It can not be done..
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you want to make being a "fool" illegal? And who gets to define fool? I define fool as someone who believes in an invisible man up in the sky. Does your definition of fool take precedence over mine?
Your argument against prostitution cannot apply to its legality. Your argument would be more useful persuading people you know not to make the choice to become a prostitute. Of course, you would rather take that choice away from them. Fascist.
<strong>Degrading? It's degrading to men. Prostitution, for those that choose to do it, should empower women. They have something that men want.</strong><hr></blockquote>
See... this is just foolish. Who are you, as a man, to say what prostitution SHOULD be to women? Just foolish.
It is a universal theme that prostitution is a refuge for those who have failed or have been rejected in whatever society they inhabit. Hollywood's attempts to glamorize the profession notwithstanding.
It is very easy to make a "make prostitution legal with very heavy regulations" argument without resorting to such ludicrous assertions.
[quote]<strong>Frankly, prostitution goes on every single day. Every golddigger is nothing more than a whore. The golddigger gives sex. The rich man gives her gifts and/or money. However, since they are under the guise of dating, it isn't technically prostitution. Feh. Face it. Prostitution goes on every single day.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Right-o.
However, there is not a direct 1:1 correlation between Joanne Streetwalker and Joanne Golddigger. The social structures surrounding the two prevent any parallels from being drawn.
They are both called prostitution in theory, but in real practice they are worlds apart.
It's a popular argument, but a very flawed one.
[quote]<strong>Also, there are plenty of strippers and prostitutes that enjoy what they do and don't spiral downward.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Plenty? Strippers, perhaps, but certainly not prostitutes.
There are exceptions, but the rule is that they are very unhappy people who have either failed or been rejected who never find any kind of resolution without abandoning that profession. It is a very unhappy world.
--
The "keep prostitution illegal" argument has far more to it than "it's just wrong." I honestly believe that the only reasonable way one would make prostitution legal is to regulate it so heavily that one would literally have to go away from the urban and even sub-urban centers to engage in prostitution, and police the urban/sub-urban areas very heavily against prostitution.
Prostutition brings a hell of a lot of bad things right behind it, and it's not just because it is illegal in most places (though that is certainly a factor).
Legalization and heavy regulation could be good, the argument is strong, but there is no need so childishly pigeon-hole the counter-point, which is also strong.
It's obviously we are not going to see eye to eye here. You tell me that I'm not right making certain assumptions and then you turn around and make sweeping generalizations. Way to go. Ever thought that perhaps those sweeping generalizations you make only apply BECAUSE prostitution is currently illegal? Jesus-Allah-Buddha forbid that being the case. I honestly don't see the harm in a man walking into an office building, going to a room in a third floor, and getting his winky wanked. Sure, keep street soliciting illegal. They won't have to anymore when they can legally set up shop.
It concerns me. I like to see both sides of these types of issues (this, drug legalization, etc.), but I simply can't divorce myself from deep-seated, strongly-held opinions and beliefs that it's not the way to go and that is, indeed, "just wrong" and not good for anyone. That's just how I, Joe Schmo, feels and thinks about it.
BUT, I'm not in position to make or enforce laws, nor am I the type who's going to go out and protest and get in someone's face or otherwise try and stop or disrupt people from doing what they want.
So think REALLY hard (and read the second paragraph again if you must) before you start flinging labels and accusations my way.
I think Fellowship has a good heart and is a good person. However, he has difficulty accepting views other than those which he adheres to.
Fellowship, you should thank God that you live in a place where your beliefs are accepted, and where you have your own freedom to worship and to follow what you yourself think is the right thing to do.
Shouldn't you allow such an environment for those people who do not choose to follow your path? By taking that freedom away from them, you are no better than the govenrments of nations who forbid the organized worship of Jesus Christ simply because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I stand with how Jesus would see this. I do not know but I am willing to believe that Jesus would not actually vote to legalize this issue. I think he would be one to support those who find themselves in this boat. Jesus came to set us free.
That is freedom.
It is not what the laws of the land say is "ok" it is what will truly set us free that matters.
<strong>You tell me that I'm not right making certain assumptions and then you turn around and make sweeping generalizations.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I've learned about the subject from psychologists who have studied this type of thing for years. This isn't information gleaned from Leaving Las Vegas or anything.
Studies have shown definitively that those who enter into prostution suffered sexual abuse in their youth, almost without deviation.
The very structure of the prostitute/client relationship in modern society perpetuates the unpleasant cycle of torn-down self-esteem and self-repression. Perhaps a case can be made to change modern society back to very ancient and more pagan times, but it would be just as easy to go and ask to Pacific Ocean to be more lively, and even if that transition could be made it would certainly not be preferable because the attitudes that allowed for such promiscuity brought many other very negative examples of animalistic human behavior.
Find a study saying that prostitution isn't an inherently bad thing for those involved and I'll give you a buffalo nickel.
(Should that be a factor in legislation is a rightful point of argument.)
[quote]<strong>Ever thought that perhaps those sweeping generalizations you make only apply BECAUSE prostitution is currently illegal?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I did, and I even mentioned it in my post (once again having to re-post to account for your unwillingness/inability to see things the first time): ...and it's not just because it is illegal in most places (though that is certainly a factor).
[quote]<strong>I honestly don't see the harm in a man walking into an office building, going to a room in a third floor, and getting his winky wanked.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that happened in a vaccuum, sure, no problem. The societal structure presents many different problems with that.
[quote]<strong>Your responses honestly are mind-boggling.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not emotional enough, eh? I can see how that would be troubling.
--
tonton:
[quote]<strong>In many societies, including the US, *women* have indeed been historically rejected in such a way. This is why so many women would resort to this method of self empowerment.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is simply amazing spin-semantics. Completely without merit or logic, of course.
Please, tonton, please please please tell me how, in real practice, prostitution leads to self-empowerment. Please please please.
Every learned human in the psychological world seems to disagree with you here, you must have some ground-breaking stuff.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>
I stand with how Jesus would see this. I do not know but I am willing to believe that Jesus would not actually vote to legalize this issue. I think he would be one to support those who find themselves in this boat. Jesus came to set us free.
That is freedom.
It is not what the laws of the land say is "ok" it is what will truly set us free that matters.
God Bless
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Could you please stop evangelizing...especially in my threads? I'm not saying you shouldn't have a right to do so but I'm not the one who makes the rules here and frankly it detracts from the topic at hand.
Could you please stop evangelizing...especially in my threads? I'm not saying you shouldn't have a right to do so but I'm not the one who makes the rules here and frankly it detracts from the topic at hand.
Many people here said that prostitution is not so bad, but who here will be happy if someone called him "son of a bitch".
Perhaps in Asia some women , can improve their live, to prostitute them at one time of their life. But in Europe it's not the same story : it's a really sad story.
How many people here are ready to boy-cott products made by children in poor countries ?
How many are ready to boy-cott prostitution, who enslave women at the profit of some criminals ?
Comments
For example, what if one day someone made a law that having sex with your wife is explicitly illegal unless for purposes of procreation. It is no coincidence "that somebody" fits lawfully into this new restriction (why would somebody pass a law that they knowingly would break?). Inevitably, there will even be others who agree with the new law. You can make all sorts of moral associations to support the "rightness" of this new law. Wanting sex from your wife merely out of pleasure is depraved and dirty, and thus immoral. All of a sudden a large group of people will find themself on the wrong side of the law. Naturally, they will see it as unjust, because they know they cannot make do under the new restrictions. It is a law, however, so that must mean it is moral. However, this moral distinction came completely out of the arbritrary rationalizations of this single lawmaker, when it wasn't even immoral to begin with. I'm rambling anyway, but just thought my thoughts would have something to do with this topic...
[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Randycat99 ]</p>
<strong>i think walking into the topic of legalizing prostituion thinking that it's a "victimless" crime is a mistake.
now you can try and argue that legality and illegality are the reasons that prostition has such negative effects on women, but i don't think that's true.
i think that it's inherently degrading and harmful to sell your body and your self respect for money.
have any of you ever known girls who were strippers or prostitutes? it's almost invariably a destructive extension of a shitty life, and it spirals down, not up.
pretty women doesn't happen in real life.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Degrading? It's degrading to men. Prostitution, for those that choose to do it, should empower women. They have something that men want. Frankly, prostitution goes on every single day. Every golddigger is nothing more than a whore. The golddigger gives sex. The rich man gives her gifts and/or money. However, since they are under the guise of dating, it isn't technically prostitution. Feh. Face it. Prostitution goes on every single day.
Also, there are plenty of strippers and prostitutes that enjoy what they do and don't spiral downward. However, if you want things that help you spiral downard to be illegal, let's bring back prohibition. Alcoholism can sure lead to a downard spiral. F**K personal responsibility! Let's make the choices FOR others because obviously they can't take the responsibility to make their own decisions. F**king fascist.
<strong>Wow, this is a much more bipolar issue than I had expected on these boards. Basically, it comes down to those who think it should be regulated and legal and those who think it's "just wrong". This has inspired me to start a thread about the chickenshit "just wrong" argument we hear so much from the right.
It comes down to this: With prostitution illegal, more women suffer, more families are broken, more disease is spread, and organized crime is further perpetuated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that it just comes down to some people are nosy busybodies and some people care about individual freedoms. I hate to break it down that way but frankly that's the cold, hard truth.
it's an interesting point, but i don't think the correlation between drinking and prostitution (or stripping) exists the way you think it does. if you notice, in your post you say prostitution is comparable to alcoholism, not drinking alcohol. it's a fine line, but an important one.
you can have a few drinks with dinner, a beer or two at the game, and you don't have a problem with alcohol. you don't prostitute yourself once or twice a week and not have a problem. the two aren't really the same thing, although i'd be interested to know if you believe they are.
same with smoking pot. you can smoke up and not be addicted, and not have adverse effects on your self esteem or self image. that's not the case with whoring yourself out. if you think they're the same, ask yourself if you'd equate a friend of yours having a beer with selling her body for money.
would you feel bad for her if you saw her drinking a beer? what about if you saw her naked hanging from a pole for cash? there is a difference.
you can tell me it's because i'm a facist, that's fine, but i personally feel that you're making your arguments out of a purely speculative, theoretical background. if you had the time, and really wanted to find out why people think prostitution is wrong, get to know some folks who have or who are doing it. then come back and tell me how empowering it is.
<strong>
if you had the time, and really wanted to find out why people think prostitution is wrong, get to know some folks who have or who are doing it. then come back and tell me how empowering it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well it would be a bit of an unfair analogy comparing currently active illegal prostitutes, but there are success stories out of Nevada. I actually remember a recent one (a few years ago) about a married woman that decided to be a prostitute and ultimately ran for (and I believe won) a seat in the state's government.
<strong>
it's an interesting point, but i don't think the correlation between drinking and prostitution (or stripping) exists the way you think it does. if you notice, in your post you say prostitution is comparable to alcoholism, not drinking alcohol. it's a fine line, but an important one.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No. I say that any abuse of any legal substance or practice can be bad. I compare prostitution to alcohol and sex addiction to alcoholism. I should have been more clear in my first post.
<strong> pimps, triads and corrupt police officers who profit while women are afflicted with abuse, demoralization and disease, families are broken and men lose their ability to treat women with respect.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is reason enough for me that with this specific topic there is nothing to gain by making this a legal action.
With respect for all,
Fellowship
Edit, Have you seen what dominates daytime television in America? Springer, Divorce Court, Soaps that encourage the notion that "I could not help but lust" at any expense. Family, Faith, and Fortune. All about self. But when you evaluate the people on talk shows such as springer and other "shock" media the people who want what "they" want are by no means happy people.
If only society would reflect on things of lasting value. Temporary fix actions lead to destruction and have nothing to add to a quality life.
Quality life? or a life of hurt, despair and hopelessness.
Sure those on springer act as if they are empowered by their sinful ways but at home when they reflect over their lives I would be willing to bet that they are empty and hurting people who need what of all things?
Love.
Fellowship
[ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</p>
<strong>
That is reason enough for me that with this specific topic there is nothing to gain by making this a legal action.
With respect for all,
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you not understand that those circumstances exist BECAUSE it is illegal? Of course you don't. Screw the truth. This here book of mine says that there action's a sin! BURN THE WITCH!
<strong>
Do you not understand that those circumstances exist BECAUSE it is illegal? Of course you don't. Screw the truth. This here book of mine says that there action's a sin! BURN THE WITCH!</strong><hr></blockquote>
BR there is no substitute for Love.
People who grasp at anything to "try" to replace love are fools.. It can not be done..
Fellowship
<strong>
BR there is no substitute for Love.
People who grasp at anything to "try" to replace love are fools.. It can not be done..
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you want to make being a "fool" illegal? And who gets to define fool? I define fool as someone who believes in an invisible man up in the sky. Does your definition of fool take precedence over mine?
Your argument against prostitution cannot apply to its legality. Your argument would be more useful persuading people you know not to make the choice to become a prostitute. Of course, you would rather take that choice away from them. Fascist.
<strong>Degrading? It's degrading to men. Prostitution, for those that choose to do it, should empower women. They have something that men want.</strong><hr></blockquote>
See... this is just foolish. Who are you, as a man, to say what prostitution SHOULD be to women? Just foolish.
It is a universal theme that prostitution is a refuge for those who have failed or have been rejected in whatever society they inhabit. Hollywood's attempts to glamorize the profession notwithstanding.
It is very easy to make a "make prostitution legal with very heavy regulations" argument without resorting to such ludicrous assertions.
[quote]<strong>Frankly, prostitution goes on every single day. Every golddigger is nothing more than a whore. The golddigger gives sex. The rich man gives her gifts and/or money. However, since they are under the guise of dating, it isn't technically prostitution. Feh. Face it. Prostitution goes on every single day.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Right-o.
However, there is not a direct 1:1 correlation between Joanne Streetwalker and Joanne Golddigger. The social structures surrounding the two prevent any parallels from being drawn.
They are both called prostitution in theory, but in real practice they are worlds apart.
It's a popular argument, but a very flawed one.
[quote]<strong>Also, there are plenty of strippers and prostitutes that enjoy what they do and don't spiral downward.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Plenty? Strippers, perhaps, but certainly not prostitutes.
There are exceptions, but the rule is that they are very unhappy people who have either failed or been rejected who never find any kind of resolution without abandoning that profession. It is a very unhappy world.
--
The "keep prostitution illegal" argument has far more to it than "it's just wrong." I honestly believe that the only reasonable way one would make prostitution legal is to regulate it so heavily that one would literally have to go away from the urban and even sub-urban centers to engage in prostitution, and police the urban/sub-urban areas very heavily against prostitution.
Prostutition brings a hell of a lot of bad things right behind it, and it's not just because it is illegal in most places (though that is certainly a factor).
Legalization and heavy regulation could be good, the argument is strong, but there is no need so childishly pigeon-hole the counter-point, which is also strong.
<strong>However, he has difficulty accepting views other than those which he adheres to.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And judging by your angry threads of late, the irony in you saying that about him is so thick I'm finding it difficult to move around.
Your responses honestly are mind-boggling.
BUT, I'm not in position to make or enforce laws, nor am I the type who's going to go out and protest and get in someone's face or otherwise try and stop or disrupt people from doing what they want.
So think REALLY hard (and read the second paragraph again if you must) before you start flinging labels and accusations my way.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>BR is right, though harsh.
I think Fellowship has a good heart and is a good person. However, he has difficulty accepting views other than those which he adheres to.
Fellowship, you should thank God that you live in a place where your beliefs are accepted, and where you have your own freedom to worship and to follow what you yourself think is the right thing to do.
Shouldn't you allow such an environment for those people who do not choose to follow your path? By taking that freedom away from them, you are no better than the govenrments of nations who forbid the organized worship of Jesus Christ simply because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I stand with how Jesus would see this. I do not know but I am willing to believe that Jesus would not actually vote to legalize this issue. I think he would be one to support those who find themselves in this boat. Jesus came to set us free.
That is freedom.
It is not what the laws of the land say is "ok" it is what will truly set us free that matters.
God Bless
Fellowship
<strong>You tell me that I'm not right making certain assumptions and then you turn around and make sweeping generalizations.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I've learned about the subject from psychologists who have studied this type of thing for years. This isn't information gleaned from Leaving Las Vegas or anything.
Studies have shown definitively that those who enter into prostution suffered sexual abuse in their youth, almost without deviation.
The very structure of the prostitute/client relationship in modern society perpetuates the unpleasant cycle of torn-down self-esteem and self-repression. Perhaps a case can be made to change modern society back to very ancient and more pagan times, but it would be just as easy to go and ask to Pacific Ocean to be more lively, and even if that transition could be made it would certainly not be preferable because the attitudes that allowed for such promiscuity brought many other very negative examples of animalistic human behavior.
Find a study saying that prostitution isn't an inherently bad thing for those involved and I'll give you a buffalo nickel.
(Should that be a factor in legislation is a rightful point of argument.)
[quote]<strong>Ever thought that perhaps those sweeping generalizations you make only apply BECAUSE prostitution is currently illegal?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I did, and I even mentioned it in my post (once again having to re-post to account for your unwillingness/inability to see things the first time): ...and it's not just because it is illegal in most places (though that is certainly a factor).
[quote]<strong>I honestly don't see the harm in a man walking into an office building, going to a room in a third floor, and getting his winky wanked.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If that happened in a vaccuum, sure, no problem. The societal structure presents many different problems with that.
[quote]<strong>Your responses honestly are mind-boggling.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not emotional enough, eh? I can see how that would be troubling.
--
tonton:
[quote]<strong>In many societies, including the US, *women* have indeed been historically rejected in such a way. This is why so many women would resort to this method of self empowerment.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is simply amazing spin-semantics. Completely without merit or logic, of course.
Please, tonton, please please please tell me how, in real practice, prostitution leads to self-empowerment. Please please please.
Every learned human in the psychological world seems to disagree with you here, you must have some ground-breaking stuff.
<strong>
I stand with how Jesus would see this. I do not know but I am willing to believe that Jesus would not actually vote to legalize this issue. I think he would be one to support those who find themselves in this boat. Jesus came to set us free.
That is freedom.
It is not what the laws of the land say is "ok" it is what will truly set us free that matters.
God Bless
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Could you please stop evangelizing...especially in my threads? I'm not saying you shouldn't have a right to do so but I'm not the one who makes the rules here and frankly it detracts from the topic at hand.
[ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
Not emotional enough?<hr></blockquote>
Oh for crying out loud groverat. Now you're being totally ridiculous.
<strong>
Could you please stop evangelizing...especially in my threads? I'm not saying you shouldn't have a right to do so but I'm not the one who makes the rules here and frankly it detracts from the topic at hand.
[ 01-22-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Br I can use you by name or anyone else in the world like President Bush or you name it but you want to tell me I can not use the Name Jesus?
I will use the name when I choose.
Fellowship
Perhaps in Asia some women , can improve their live, to prostitute them at one time of their life. But in Europe it's not the same story : it's a really sad story.
How many people here are ready to boy-cott products made by children in poor countries ?
How many are ready to boy-cott prostitution, who enslave women at the profit of some criminals ?