I yapped about how the next major CPU from Motorola will probably be designated MPC7500 in the AppleInsider chat, but now it seems The Register is saying that too...Unfortunately for me, that probably means no such thing exists.
On the bright side, I'm sure Bodhi and KidRed can both attest that the Dual 1000 MHz Power Mac is now sloth. It's the snappiest machine I've ever used.
okay, so apple say no new cpus in the next few months.
I assume that the new cpus in the pm are not suitable for the pb. So we don't see a speed hike at mw tokyo in the pb. That still leaves plenty of room for upgrades to display, memory, motherboards, graphics, hard disk etc. etc.
There is still plenty of room for an upgrade to the pb at mw tokyo. At least im hoping there is (I put off my pb purchase because of it) :-) and the current model is just a 'little' over priced.
Actually when I look at this, does a faster cpu count as a NEW cpu. Does this statement simply mean "no G5 for the next few months" or does it mean "not even a speed bump".
As to being stuck with different computers. I have to use a pc at work. now who is worst off.
[quote]Actually when I look at this, does a faster cpu count as a NEW cpu. Does this statement simply mean "no G5 for the next few months" or does it mean "not even a speed bump".<hr></blockquote>
from MacCentral and Joswiak:
We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now...Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo.
<strong>On the bright side, I'm sure Bodhi and KidRed can both attest that the Dual 1000 MHz Power Mac is now sloth. It's the snappiest machine I've ever used.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, guess that's kinda what you'd expect from the current top-of-the-line machine, isn't it?
(Kinda like in the ultra-stupid "the fastest Mac ever" slogan - um, no really, is it... that's just soooo surprising...)
Well, guess that's kinda what you'd expect from the current top-of-the-line machine, isn't it?
(Kinda like in the ultra-stupid "the fastest Mac ever" slogan - um, no really, is it... that's just soooo surprising...)
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well it's faster than my 2001 G4 733 and a reasomable investment. The best thing is that at least they didn't make a dual 933 and a single 1 Ghz as they did in the past
The term "CPU" is often used to describe the whole box in marketing-speak. The Apple statement that no new machines will show up at MWT is pretty clear, and I really don't understand why people are even debating it. They said the same thing back in September, and it wasn't until January that they introduced new machines. "some months" in this context implies that the soonest we'll likely see new hardware is MWNY [typo repaired] (slim possibility of WWDC, I suppose).
The info from the Register is interesting in that it supports what Moto has been saying about the G4 having a lot of life left in it. Frankly with the improvements described it does. It doesn't have to be called a G5 to be fast, and if they decide to continue the 7xxx series that is fine by me. I just want it to be fast.
BTW: the 7xxx nomenclature doesn't mean it can't be 64-bit, either. The 620 was 64-bit and it was part of the 601, 603, 604 lineup. A new 64-bit chip could be called anything in the 7500..7900 range. Given the scale of the modifications already mentioned for the 7500 I wouldn't be surprised to see more execution units, multi-core or any of the other supposed G5 goodies. "Gx" is just marketing, after all.
<strong> "some months" in this context implies that the soonest we'll likely see new hardware is MWSF (slim possibility of WWDC, I suppose).</strong><hr></blockquote>
There won't be anything resembling a pro set up from apple for some time to come (maybe 18 months or more). This measn that there mayt never be any more pro systems from apple as pros will simply move over to Linux or XP. With no serious high margin sales apple is actually now in a more perilous position than they have evr been.
Its not about what anyone needs. Its about a computer that simply makes the competetion look stupid. Kids don't aspire to the imac. They aspire to the kind of technology that makes blockbuster movies and serious 3D effects - I know I teach hundreds of them.
Unfortunately apple has decided that it is more important for little jonny to do his "What I did on my holidays" project via iMovie and share his holiday pix with Grandpa Jehosephat.
Apple buys their cpu's from Motorola, and Motorola continualy proves that they're not interested in developing a desktop cpu. Apple is only culpable because it was and is their decision to buy from Motorola.
Apple is not a bad company for their decision and Motorola is not a bad company for targeting a different market than desktops.
But the questions remain. What the heck can Apple do? I don't know, we'll see what Mr. Jobs does. But it is getting pretty ludicrous that by the time the G5 or whatever the next generation chip Apple uses from Motorola/IBM, Intel and AMD will be pushing, if not past 3GHz. I'm also sure that Intel/AMD aren't standing still on developing faster tech like RapidI/O, Hypertransport, whatever.
If any one has the answer please send it to Mr. Jobs via email, regular mail, Fed X, UPS or pony express, soon.
I did, in fact, tell everyone on this board that my cousin works for Motorola and that he provided me with some pretty reliable information regarding the G5. It's on an earlier thread titled "My cousin works for Moto" or something like that. Look it up. The consensus from long-time readers of this board was that I was being accurate and truthful, although I obviously have no way to prove that (until next January, that is). However, the reputation of the people who stand by my reports, combined with my own reputation as an honest and straight-forward poster on this board should count for something. You can make up your own mind - quite frankly, I don't care what you think about my credibility, since I don't know you and probably never will. My credibility really only concerns me when it comes to dealing with my wife and friends.
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Well, having looked at that thread now, I can conclude this: you probably believe your cousin. Your cousin probably believes he knows. The only reason why the AI crew believes you is because people with fake info are usually optimistic. Because your info is pessimistic, it intrisically seems more believable. I'm not saying it's false. I'm not saying you're lying. I believe that you believe what you say. However, your cousin's connections with the group of people theoretically working on the "G5" are barely less tenuous than a random person off the street. So, he may indeed have access to some inside information... but you also need to remember that the G4 crew is, we have been told, not the same people as the G5 crew. The people working on the G4 may well know a lot about the future of the G4, but may know nothing at all about the G5. This does not require any kind of strange conspiracy theory... they are just different teams working on different projects. Motorola is a very, very big company, even with all the recent layoffs...
You are also making the mistake made over and over by the pessimists here: assuming that as long as the G4 has room to grow, there will be no G5. Why do you make this assumption? The G3 was nowhere near maxed out when the G4 was announced. Why should this transition be different? It is a very, very common argument that goes like this: "See, it says here the G4 still has a lot of life left in it. Therefore, there is no G5." This is not a logical conclusion. Would it have been accurate to say, in 1999 that the G3 "still has a lot of life left in it." That is would receive many tweaks and speedups over a long period of time? Of course it would have... the iBook still uses a G3 to this day; IBM just announced a 1GHz G3. It absolutely does not follow that just because the G4 team at Moto is proud of the tweaks and speedups coming down the pike, that there is no G5 team proud of their upcoming day in the sun.
In conclusion, I have seen no concrete evidence that the G5 is not coming out this year. I have seen no *concrete* evidence that it *is* coming out this year. I have, however, seen the statement by Apple that no new computers (note, perhaps he was using the terms interchangeably later, but the exact quote about "some months" used CPUs) for "some months to come" which very clearly implies that some months from now, there will be new CPUs (or computers, I suppose). In the lack of other clear evidence, and given the vast volume of somewhat-uncredible rumors, I conclude the G5 is, in fact, coming out this year. It may not be MWNY, it may be a special event in the Fall, but "some months" does not mean "Eleven months" to me, which rules out MWSF '03. Your cousin's information, while fascinating, has little bearing on the issue. And if I'm wrong, I promise I won't be suprised.
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There is absolutely no reason to believe that the G5 will appear before next year except the eternal hope that Apple will catch up in the hardware race. Frankly, as long as they don't drop off the map, anything is fine with me as long as it doesn't run Windows. The comments reported today by Motorola concerning the longevity of the G4 combined with Apple's comments yesterday only strenghten the assertion that the "killer" hardware that everyone is hoping for won't appear until next year, but that steady progress will be made throughout the year with the G4. (FWIW, all of this is exactly what I reported from my cousin last month.)
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Well, except your cousin claimed Apollo's were coming in March or April; it has been unequivocally stated that the 7455 *is*, in fact, Apollo, so he was getting at least marginally inaccurate info from his friends. For what it's worth, that Motorola info from yesterday is highly unreliable. It seems to be based on an outdated and subsequently replaced roadmap that claimed the 7500 would be the G5. The reference to the 7500 was later removed. At any rate, the description given there of the 7500 is very clearly a description of what *I* (being that I follow Darwin-dev) always expected the G5 to be. That is to say, everything other people thought it was, minus the part about being 64-bit. So, calling the 7500 a "G4" is the same as calling the Apollo a "G5" like people thought Apple might. What I mean by "G5" is the MPC7500.
Maybe there would have been much less argument if I'd made that clear earlier...
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I do think that people are letting mass hysteria and unfounded hype get them carried away. Again, I'm getting tired of these boards and the unreasonable posts found on them. My only interest in posting what I believe to be the truth is to perhaps persuade a few people to think rationally and calmly so that they won't get swept away with careless rumors and have their hopes deflated with every passing Apple event without the announcement they've been expecting.</strong><hr></blockquote>
OK, here you're being very... well, very something bad. I'm not sure arrogant is the right word. If people's expectations are going to be burst by reality, why do you want to burst them early? What is gained by this? The only noticeable effect of premature-bubble-bursting around here is people get angrier with Apple and Moto. However, when reality bursts these bubbles, people don't get angry... they really don't. Case in point: the new iMac, not as earth-shattering as expected, but people are very happy. Another example: the new dual 1GHz PowerMacs. They *are*, in fact, selling very well. I suggest you let reality do it's job, and stop trying to help it. If people are swept away, they are swept away, and you are likely to be less gentle than reality, no matter what your intentions are. It is also possible to be completely rational and still disagree with you. You may want to consider that, as well.
OK, here you're being very... well, very something bad. I'm not sure arrogant is the right word. If people's expectations are going to be burst by reality, why do you want to burst them early? What is gained by this? The only noticeable effect of premature-bubble-bursting around here is people get angrier with Apple and Moto. However, when reality bursts these bubbles, people don't get angry... they really don't. Case in point: the new iMac, not as earth-shattering as expected, but people are very happy. Another example: the new dual 1GHz PowerMacs. They *are*, in fact, selling very well. I suggest you let reality do it's job, and stop trying to help it. If people are swept away, they are swept away, and you are likely to be less gentle than reality, no matter what your intentions are. It is also possible to be completely rational and still disagree with you. You may want to consider that, as well.
Thanks,
Shadow Knight</strong><hr></blockquote>
Awww, Shadow... we were cool until that last paragraph. Why'd ya have to go and spoil things like that?
In an effort to be very, ... well, very something good, I will say that I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. We can just agree to disagree on what will come out when, b/c when it comes right down to it, neither one of us really knows. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
I have, however, seen the statement by Apple that no new computers (note, perhaps he was using the terms interchangeably later, but the exact quote about "some months" used CPUs) for "some months to come" which very clearly implies that some months from now, there will be new CPUs (or computers, I suppose).</strong><hr></blockquote>
It does not. Saying "no new hardware for some months" means just that, there will be no new hardware introduced in the following months. In particular, it does not say anything definite at all about the time thereafter.
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In the lack of other clear evidence, and given the vast volume of somewhat-uncredible rumors, I conclude the G5 is, in fact, coming out this year. It may not be MWNY, it may be a special event in the Fall, but "some months" does not mean "Eleven months" to me, which rules out MWSF '03.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"New CPUs" as used in the article in question doesn't even necessarily refer to the G5 at all. The way it was used by that rep, it could just as well mean speed bumps.
Awww, Shadow... we were cool until that last paragraph. Why'd ya have to go and spoil things like that?
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I apologize. Really, in the last paragraph I gave in to my desire to vent my frustration. Bursting other people's bubbles can be fun, but there are some people (not necessarily you) here who seem to have made it an obsession. I should have either kept it to myself or made a seperate post out of it.
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In an effort to be very, ... well, very something good, I will say that I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. We can just agree to disagree on what will come out when, b/c when it comes right down to it, neither one of us really knows. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Indeed, which was really my point all along... who can say who will be disappointed and who will be pleased? We'll just have to wait and find out. Pessimism does have one thing to recommend it: you might be pleasantly suprised! Of course, a *true* pessimist always finds something to be disappointed in... that Reg report, for instance, sounded like good news to me, but other people just dragged it with them into the dumpster... Really, the best thing is to not have expectations, positive or negative. That's tough to pull off, though, unless you're the Buddha or something
When Apple said "no new CPU's", they were actually saying that no new CPU's would be produced in the computer industry at large. Apparently because of the slow economy, the tech sector as a whole has decided to take a three month unpaid vacation to recoup their losses. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Anyway, I was at the CompUSA yesturday and I could not believe the difference in the amount of Apple displays that were available. They had only one 17" model and that was it. I am thinking maybe new Displays at Tokyo, thats not a CPU is it? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I was one who was swept up in the hysteria preceding MWSF'02. What with the Reg and others making its claims about G5s and Apple with all its hype, I thought the G5 was a lock. Ah, well - it's all part of the fun.
After MWSF, however, I got a bit more thoughtful about things and based on numerous factors (which I won't elaborate at the moment) concluded we would not see a G5 before MWNY, possibly not before MWSF'03. For Apple's sake, I hope it is sooner than MWSF, but they've got a lot of irons in the fire right now and may not be settled down enough to handle a new CPU architecture before then.
In any event, I see nothing in this Apple statement that precludes G5s from MWNY (which is all the sooner I was expecting them anyway). I'm not predicting it, just stating from a purely logical dissection of the statement, a G5 at MWNY is possible. This statement simply reaffirms the status quo - PMs will use G4s for "some months" (a nice, bland, weaselly PR time-frame), and the G4 will continue to be used in Apple computers for several years - stuff we already knew. So what's the big deal from everybody?
For me, the next cue as to the G5's appearance will be a new DDR MoBo. If we get one with the G4, I think it will be awhile before we see the G5. If Apple sticks with SDR through Summer, I would expect that the new MoBo will debut at MWNY with a G5 on it. Applenut had a nice thread earlier about DDR and the G4. If Moto/Apple invest the time and effort to make the G4 DDR compatible, it will signal (to me, anyway) that they're planning on using G4s for quite awhile yet in the PMs (of course, it could also mean that they want to go DDR in the PB and iMac, so it may be irrelevant - isn't crystal ball gazing fun? ).
Anyway, for me this whole discussion amounts to a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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First a lickable Aqua, now breaded toys. Apple is making me hungry...
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Thus their new slogan: Apple, bread for excellence.
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Thus their new slogan: Apple, bread for excellence.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or maybe
"Apple: Food for Thought"
On the bright side, I'm sure Bodhi and KidRed can both attest that the Dual 1000 MHz Power Mac is now sloth. It's the snappiest machine I've ever used.
I assume that the new cpus in the pm are not suitable for the pb. So we don't see a speed hike at mw tokyo in the pb. That still leaves plenty of room for upgrades to display, memory, motherboards, graphics, hard disk etc. etc.
There is still plenty of room for an upgrade to the pb at mw tokyo. At least im hoping there is (I put off my pb purchase because of it) :-) and the current model is just a 'little' over priced.
Actually when I look at this, does a faster cpu count as a NEW cpu. Does this statement simply mean "no G5 for the next few months" or does it mean "not even a speed bump".
As to being stuck with different computers. I have to use a pc at work. now who is worst off.
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Anyway, I know to the hour when the TiBook is getting a CPU/GPU bump.....
Precisely one hour after I finally buy the old one.
from MacCentral and Joswiak:
We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now...Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo.
No means NO--at MWTokyo
<strong>On the bright side, I'm sure Bodhi and KidRed can both attest that the Dual 1000 MHz Power Mac is now sloth. It's the snappiest machine I've ever used.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, guess that's kinda what you'd expect from the current top-of-the-line machine, isn't it?
(Kinda like in the ultra-stupid "the fastest Mac ever" slogan - um, no really, is it... that's just soooo surprising...)
Bye,
RazzFazz
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Well, guess that's kinda what you'd expect from the current top-of-the-line machine, isn't it?
(Kinda like in the ultra-stupid "the fastest Mac ever" slogan - um, no really, is it... that's just soooo surprising...)
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well it's faster than my 2001 G4 733 and a reasomable investment. The best thing is that at least they didn't make a dual 933 and a single 1 Ghz as they did in the past
The info from the Register is interesting in that it supports what Moto has been saying about the G4 having a lot of life left in it. Frankly with the improvements described it does. It doesn't have to be called a G5 to be fast, and if they decide to continue the 7xxx series that is fine by me. I just want it to be fast.
BTW: the 7xxx nomenclature doesn't mean it can't be 64-bit, either. The 620 was 64-bit and it was part of the 601, 603, 604 lineup. A new 64-bit chip could be called anything in the 7500..7900 range. Given the scale of the modifications already mentioned for the 7500 I wouldn't be surprised to see more execution units, multi-core or any of the other supposed G5 goodies. "Gx" is just marketing, after all.
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<strong> "some months" in this context implies that the soonest we'll likely see new hardware is MWSF (slim possibility of WWDC, I suppose).</strong><hr></blockquote>
MWSF?! Or MWNY?
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MWSF?! Or MWNY?
Woops, typo -- MWNY. Thanks.
Its not about what anyone needs. Its about a computer that simply makes the competetion look stupid. Kids don't aspire to the imac. They aspire to the kind of technology that makes blockbuster movies and serious 3D effects - I know I teach hundreds of them.
Unfortunately apple has decided that it is more important for little jonny to do his "What I did on my holidays" project via iMovie and share his holiday pix with Grandpa Jehosephat.
This sucks.
Apple is not a bad company for their decision and Motorola is not a bad company for targeting a different market than desktops.
But the questions remain. What the heck can Apple do? I don't know, we'll see what Mr. Jobs does. But it is getting pretty ludicrous that by the time the G5 or whatever the next generation chip Apple uses from Motorola/IBM, Intel and AMD will be pushing, if not past 3GHz. I'm also sure that Intel/AMD aren't standing still on developing faster tech like RapidI/O, Hypertransport, whatever.
If any one has the answer please send it to Mr. Jobs via email, regular mail, Fed X, UPS or pony express, soon.
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I did, in fact, tell everyone on this board that my cousin works for Motorola and that he provided me with some pretty reliable information regarding the G5. It's on an earlier thread titled "My cousin works for Moto" or something like that. Look it up. The consensus from long-time readers of this board was that I was being accurate and truthful, although I obviously have no way to prove that (until next January, that is). However, the reputation of the people who stand by my reports, combined with my own reputation as an honest and straight-forward poster on this board should count for something. You can make up your own mind - quite frankly, I don't care what you think about my credibility, since I don't know you and probably never will. My credibility really only concerns me when it comes to dealing with my wife and friends.
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Well, having looked at that thread now, I can conclude this: you probably believe your cousin. Your cousin probably believes he knows. The only reason why the AI crew believes you is because people with fake info are usually optimistic. Because your info is pessimistic, it intrisically seems more believable. I'm not saying it's false. I'm not saying you're lying. I believe that you believe what you say. However, your cousin's connections with the group of people theoretically working on the "G5" are barely less tenuous than a random person off the street. So, he may indeed have access to some inside information... but you also need to remember that the G4 crew is, we have been told, not the same people as the G5 crew. The people working on the G4 may well know a lot about the future of the G4, but may know nothing at all about the G5. This does not require any kind of strange conspiracy theory... they are just different teams working on different projects. Motorola is a very, very big company, even with all the recent layoffs...
You are also making the mistake made over and over by the pessimists here: assuming that as long as the G4 has room to grow, there will be no G5. Why do you make this assumption? The G3 was nowhere near maxed out when the G4 was announced. Why should this transition be different? It is a very, very common argument that goes like this: "See, it says here the G4 still has a lot of life left in it. Therefore, there is no G5." This is not a logical conclusion. Would it have been accurate to say, in 1999 that the G3 "still has a lot of life left in it." That is would receive many tweaks and speedups over a long period of time? Of course it would have... the iBook still uses a G3 to this day; IBM just announced a 1GHz G3. It absolutely does not follow that just because the G4 team at Moto is proud of the tweaks and speedups coming down the pike, that there is no G5 team proud of their upcoming day in the sun.
In conclusion, I have seen no concrete evidence that the G5 is not coming out this year. I have seen no *concrete* evidence that it *is* coming out this year. I have, however, seen the statement by Apple that no new computers (note, perhaps he was using the terms interchangeably later, but the exact quote about "some months" used CPUs) for "some months to come" which very clearly implies that some months from now, there will be new CPUs (or computers, I suppose). In the lack of other clear evidence, and given the vast volume of somewhat-uncredible rumors, I conclude the G5 is, in fact, coming out this year. It may not be MWNY, it may be a special event in the Fall, but "some months" does not mean "Eleven months" to me, which rules out MWSF '03. Your cousin's information, while fascinating, has little bearing on the issue. And if I'm wrong, I promise I won't be suprised.
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There is absolutely no reason to believe that the G5 will appear before next year except the eternal hope that Apple will catch up in the hardware race. Frankly, as long as they don't drop off the map, anything is fine with me as long as it doesn't run Windows. The comments reported today by Motorola concerning the longevity of the G4 combined with Apple's comments yesterday only strenghten the assertion that the "killer" hardware that everyone is hoping for won't appear until next year, but that steady progress will be made throughout the year with the G4. (FWIW, all of this is exactly what I reported from my cousin last month.)
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Well, except your cousin claimed Apollo's were coming in March or April; it has been unequivocally stated that the 7455 *is*, in fact, Apollo, so he was getting at least marginally inaccurate info from his friends. For what it's worth, that Motorola info from yesterday is highly unreliable. It seems to be based on an outdated and subsequently replaced roadmap that claimed the 7500 would be the G5. The reference to the 7500 was later removed. At any rate, the description given there of the 7500 is very clearly a description of what *I* (being that I follow Darwin-dev) always expected the G5 to be. That is to say, everything other people thought it was, minus the part about being 64-bit. So, calling the 7500 a "G4" is the same as calling the Apollo a "G5" like people thought Apple might. What I mean by "G5" is the MPC7500.
Maybe there would have been much less argument if I'd made that clear earlier...
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I do think that people are letting mass hysteria and unfounded hype get them carried away. Again, I'm getting tired of these boards and the unreasonable posts found on them. My only interest in posting what I believe to be the truth is to perhaps persuade a few people to think rationally and calmly so that they won't get swept away with careless rumors and have their hopes deflated with every passing Apple event without the announcement they've been expecting.</strong><hr></blockquote>
OK, here you're being very... well, very something bad. I'm not sure arrogant is the right word. If people's expectations are going to be burst by reality, why do you want to burst them early? What is gained by this? The only noticeable effect of premature-bubble-bursting around here is people get angrier with Apple and Moto. However, when reality bursts these bubbles, people don't get angry... they really don't. Case in point: the new iMac, not as earth-shattering as expected, but people are very happy. Another example: the new dual 1GHz PowerMacs. They *are*, in fact, selling very well. I suggest you let reality do it's job, and stop trying to help it. If people are swept away, they are swept away, and you are likely to be less gentle than reality, no matter what your intentions are. It is also possible to be completely rational and still disagree with you. You may want to consider that, as well.
Thanks,
Shadow Knight
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OK, here you're being very... well, very something bad. I'm not sure arrogant is the right word. If people's expectations are going to be burst by reality, why do you want to burst them early? What is gained by this? The only noticeable effect of premature-bubble-bursting around here is people get angrier with Apple and Moto. However, when reality bursts these bubbles, people don't get angry... they really don't. Case in point: the new iMac, not as earth-shattering as expected, but people are very happy. Another example: the new dual 1GHz PowerMacs. They *are*, in fact, selling very well. I suggest you let reality do it's job, and stop trying to help it. If people are swept away, they are swept away, and you are likely to be less gentle than reality, no matter what your intentions are. It is also possible to be completely rational and still disagree with you. You may want to consider that, as well.
Thanks,
Shadow Knight</strong><hr></blockquote>
Awww, Shadow... we were cool until that last paragraph.
In an effort to be very, ... well, very something good, I will say that I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. We can just agree to disagree on what will come out when, b/c when it comes right down to it, neither one of us really knows. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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I have, however, seen the statement by Apple that no new computers (note, perhaps he was using the terms interchangeably later, but the exact quote about "some months" used CPUs) for "some months to come" which very clearly implies that some months from now, there will be new CPUs (or computers, I suppose).</strong><hr></blockquote>
It does not. Saying "no new hardware for some months" means just that, there will be no new hardware introduced in the following months. In particular, it does not say anything definite at all about the time thereafter.
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In the lack of other clear evidence, and given the vast volume of somewhat-uncredible rumors, I conclude the G5 is, in fact, coming out this year. It may not be MWNY, it may be a special event in the Fall, but "some months" does not mean "Eleven months" to me, which rules out MWSF '03.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"New CPUs" as used in the article in question doesn't even necessarily refer to the G5 at all. The way it was used by that rep, it could just as well mean speed bumps.
Bye,
RazzFazz
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Awww, Shadow... we were cool until that last paragraph.
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I apologize. Really, in the last paragraph I gave in to my desire to vent my frustration. Bursting other people's bubbles can be fun, but there are some people (not necessarily you) here who seem to have made it an obsession. I should have either kept it to myself or made a seperate post out of it.
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In an effort to be very, ... well, very something good, I will say that I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. We can just agree to disagree on what will come out when, b/c when it comes right down to it, neither one of us really knows. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Indeed, which was really my point all along... who can say who will be disappointed and who will be pleased? We'll just have to wait and find out. Pessimism does have one thing to recommend it: you might be pleasantly suprised! Of course, a *true* pessimist always finds something to be disappointed in... that Reg report, for instance, sounded like good news to me, but other people just dragged it with them into the dumpster... Really, the best thing is to not have expectations, positive or negative. That's tough to pull off, though, unless you're the Buddha or something
later,
Shadow Knight
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Anyway, I was at the CompUSA yesturday and I could not believe the difference in the amount of Apple displays that were available. They had only one 17" model and that was it. I am thinking maybe new Displays at Tokyo, thats not a CPU is it? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
After MWSF, however, I got a bit more thoughtful about things and based on numerous factors (which I won't elaborate at the moment) concluded we would not see a G5 before MWNY, possibly not before MWSF'03. For Apple's sake, I hope it is sooner than MWSF, but they've got a lot of irons in the fire right now and may not be settled down enough to handle a new CPU architecture before then.
In any event, I see nothing in this Apple statement that precludes G5s from MWNY (which is all the sooner I was expecting them anyway). I'm not predicting it, just stating from a purely logical dissection of the statement, a G5 at MWNY is possible. This statement simply reaffirms the status quo - PMs will use G4s for "some months" (a nice, bland, weaselly PR time-frame), and the G4 will continue to be used in Apple computers for several years - stuff we already knew. So what's the big deal from everybody?
For me, the next cue as to the G5's appearance will be a new DDR MoBo. If we get one with the G4, I think it will be awhile before we see the G5. If Apple sticks with SDR through Summer, I would expect that the new MoBo will debut at MWNY with a G5 on it. Applenut had a nice thread earlier about DDR and the G4. If Moto/Apple invest the time and effort to make the G4 DDR compatible, it will signal (to me, anyway) that they're planning on using G4s for quite awhile yet in the PMs (of course, it could also mean that they want to go DDR in the PB and iMac, so it may be irrelevant - isn't crystal ball gazing fun?
Anyway, for me this whole discussion amounts to a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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