And yes, Samsung copies Apple's outer design and gets sued. Now Apple copies BBM, TouchWiz, and Android.
The catch here is the question of whether Apple licensed these things from the folks that created it. Which they likely did. That is assuming that someone else created it. For all we know Apple created it, patented it, licensed it to those other folks and now is using it in their own tech.
Whereas, Samsung is being accused of copying a trademarked "look and feel" without asking anyone for permission.
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Any reason why Apple is holding off until Fall for this iOS-5 release.
They are giving the 3rd party developers time to prep their apps. Apple doesn't like a ton of stuff that is still back in the IOS 3 and 4 days and they are pushing everyone to revamp. Which needs time.
And call me shocked. almost 200 messages and the "still no support for Flash" whining hasn't started. I think that might be a record.
Fine. But what does that have to do with deriding new users, extolling them to read the man pages (if there ever was a deserving ring of purgatory...), trawl through forums and piece together the answer themselves because like, what are you STUPID or something?
I never understood that about the vast majority of the open source community. If you don't want to lead a newbie by the hand why can't you just ignore them? Why do you have to deride them or come up with web sites that point out how much more clever you are than them?
If that's your attitude what the hell are you doing trolling places where people are asking questions? If you think that website is funny, clearly you lack basic social skills and belong nowhere near "newbs".
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We could care less about a company increasing user accessibility
Ding Ding Ding! That's why OpenSource will never evolve beyond the realm of science fair project.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. However, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's not reasonable to get mad at people for not using your software (even if it is "clearly" superior ) or subscribing to your philosophy when you are basically holding them in utter contempt
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that would be like arguing that you should go learn to sodder wires if you want to fix your fan's electrical circuit instead of hiring the electric repair man.
How about just replacing the fan? With todays economics thats far more reasonable. Appliance/black box. It is our world, for better or worse. That's a more applicable analogy.
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I love Google, but I give them almost nothing because no company can be trusted with such information on an honesty basis, a phone # that's all they have.
So you have no bank accounts, health insurance or credit cards?
You did say "no company"
What about government? File taxes, have any vehicles registered, own any property?
How absurd do we have to be here?
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What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one.
Why? Because only the "worthy" should be allowed to use technology?
What a bunch of elitist popycock. No wonder Apple gets under über geek skin so easily and thoroughly - how dare they open the hallowed halls to the commoners!
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It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter.
Wow - if we were in the 1700's you probably would be arguing people shouldn't be able to ride horses without knowing how to shoe them.
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What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
What you want is absurd. And (thank god) irrelevant.
Hey - change your own oil? Its ridiculously easy - users should be able to be self-sufficent at a bare minimum of tasks.
And this is rational to you? Sadly it must be because we go into the rabbit hole deeper:
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If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided.
Yes! Like having the commoners fondling our technology. The horrors!
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The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them. They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS.
Neither do non-technical users. Which is why within 5 years (maybe sooner now with iOS 5 not having PC dependancies) iOS devices will displace general purpose PC's for most normal users. iOS is inherently immune to the issue you cite. And even if something like a trojan gets through, unlike on general purpose OS's Apple (and google!) can - gasp - pull the offending program.
Wow - they can undo the "lusers" from shooting themselves in the foot. Like it or not, that's far more reasonable - some people are never going to learn "basic skills" you want. Not because they are stupid or lazy, but because they have different priorities.
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If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
Your hubris is staggering. Again, thank god there is at least ONE company that is willing to call your elitist BS for what it is, ignore it and go on making technology accessible.
Anyway, let me bottom line it for you: Whether you like it or not, iOS is the future for the majority of users. Your days of control and "wants" are over. You can continue to rant and rail about worthiness and minimum skills all you want, but it won't have one whits of affect. Feel free to carry on - just be prepared for continued and increasing disappointment when reality continues to diverge from your vision.
To be fair, the opposite is also true -- there are people who mock anything that isn't made by apple, and will only own an apple product simply because it came from apple.
Far less than you and other proponents of this straw man like to intimate.
But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night!
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While this is to be expected at AI,
Yes! Who would expect Apple fans on an Apple site - the humanity!
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they exist on many other tech sites that I read and thread crap there as well.
No where to the extent of the haters. And if you want to dispute that - throw up some links.
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Fanboy-ism exists everywhere and it isn't something apple is immune to either.
Sure, there are fanboys everywhere. What gets me - and has since I first started using Mac's in the 80's is the Jexus's of the world who are obviously personally threatened by the mere existence of Apple. They act as if every time you purchase an Apple product God smotes a kitten, penguin and deletes a competing piece of technology from existence.
The insecurity of some people that others might prefer a model of computing that is contrary to their philosophy is simply staggering. That these same people will then try to portray Apple fans as religious zealots is hysterical and the very definition of ironic. That their totally blind to their hypocrisy, even after being openly ridiculed (with love and reason, mind you) is just sad.
I'm finally glad the PC Free idea is intact, I get get antsy having to hook up my iPhone 4 to my laptop for syncing purposes every time I have new data stored. Also, the Notification Center is a much welcome feature and is surely needed.
I'm pondering about enrolling in the developers iOS program, so I can get early access to the iOS 5 upgrade.
I'm finally glad the PC Free idea is intact, I get get antsy having to hook up my iPhone 4 to my laptop for syncing purposes every time I have new data stored. Also, the Notification Center is a much welcome feature and is surely needed.
I'm pondering about enrolling in the developers iOS program, so I can get early access to the iOS 5 upgrade.
Note Apple allow added two other features to the "PC free" option that make this work.
Even your music is now-redownloadable from their servers for all time. I bet that cost them a pretty penny to make that deal with the labels. This further positions the Mac/PC as just another device with iCloud being the hub.
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
Multi quote is optional, it's just a convenience. Not everyone replies to those properly anyway, and it's easy to make your post cumbersome. Some single replies got large. I think the "Doc" was doing fine. It's kind of a judgement call.
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
Don't think there is a rule that people must use multi-quote. Some people do, religiously and frequently. Others don't. I've been here for years and I think I've tried using multi quote only a couple of times. Makes replying a pain sometimes, anyways. Don't see the problem.
There are people here, too, who will rage about simple grammatical errors (of which there are plenty and most posters including myself have had their share)(your for you're, then for than it's for its, etc). These debates often detract from the discussion at hand. If it doesn't impede comprehension, why do we let it be, as we are all here for the communication?
Just noticed Jeff beat me to it.
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Back on topic, this thread is abut iOS 5. I am looking forward to getting my hands on it. The camera functions will be nice. Just saw over at 9to5mac that there are custom vibrations in OS5, so you can set the phone to vibrate differently for different callers. Now you won't have to take it out of your pocket to know who's calling. Cool.
Just saw over at 9to5mac that there are custom vibrations in OS5, so you can set the phone to vibrate differently for different callers. Now you won't have to take it out of your pocket to know who's calling. Cool.
Yes - I'm hoping Apple also has profile support so I can quickly switch between a few combinations of vibrations and audible alerts - it's the last thing missing that my work BlackBerry offers that I would miss. I'm amazed at all the little stuff Apple is addressing in this update - it adds up quickly!
It also proves that they are listening to their customers. This will be a stellar update indeed!
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And yes, Samsung copies Apple's outer design and gets sued. Now Apple copies BBM, TouchWiz, and Android.
The catch here is the question of whether Apple licensed these things from the folks that created it. Which they likely did. That is assuming that someone else created it. For all we know Apple created it, patented it, licensed it to those other folks and now is using it in their own tech.
Whereas, Samsung is being accused of copying a trademarked "look and feel" without asking anyone for permission.
Any reason why Apple is holding off until Fall for this iOS-5 release.
They are giving the 3rd party developers time to prep their apps. Apple doesn't like a ton of stuff that is still back in the IOS 3 and 4 days and they are pushing everyone to revamp. Which needs time.
And call me shocked. almost 200 messages and the "still no support for Flash" whining hasn't started. I think that might be a record.
Complete aside, please don't quintuple post. Just edit your existing one if no one has posted yet.
No, we hate dependency.
Fine. But what does that have to do with deriding new users, extolling them to read the man pages (if there ever was a deserving ring of purgatory...), trawl through forums and piece together the answer themselves because like, what are you STUPID or something?
I never understood that about the vast majority of the open source community. If you don't want to lead a newbie by the hand why can't you just ignore them? Why do you have to deride them or come up with web sites that point out how much more clever you are than them?
If that's your attitude what the hell are you doing trolling places where people are asking questions? If you think that website is funny, clearly you lack basic social skills and belong nowhere near "newbs".
We could care less about a company increasing user accessibility
Ding Ding Ding! That's why OpenSource will never evolve beyond the realm of science fair project.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. However, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's not reasonable to get mad at people for not using your software (even if it is "clearly" superior
that would be like arguing that you should go learn to sodder wires if you want to fix your fan's electrical circuit instead of hiring the electric repair man.
How about just replacing the fan? With todays economics thats far more reasonable. Appliance/black box. It is our world, for better or worse. That's a more applicable analogy.
I love Google, but I give them almost nothing because no company can be trusted with such information on an honesty basis, a phone # that's all they have.
So you have no bank accounts, health insurance or credit cards?
You did say "no company"
What about government? File taxes, have any vehicles registered, own any property?
How absurd do we have to be here?
What we DO care about is the learning curve. There HAS to be one.
Why? Because only the "worthy" should be allowed to use technology?
What a bunch of elitist popycock. No wonder Apple gets under über geek skin so easily and thoroughly - how dare they open the hallowed halls to the commoners!
It doesn't have to be as hard as certain Linux distros, but if you simplify everything TOO much then the user becomes helpless to any problem that they were never expecting to encounter.
Wow - if we were in the 1700's you probably would be arguing people shouldn't be able to ride horses without knowing how to shoe them.
What we want is self-sufficiency if even at the bare minimum of tasks.
What you want is absurd. And (thank god) irrelevant.
Hey - change your own oil? Its ridiculously easy - users should be able to be self-sufficent at a bare minimum of tasks.
And this is rational to you? Sadly it must be because we go into the rabbit hole deeper:
If it becomes too simple minded of a task then we get situations that could easily be avoided.
Yes! Like having the commoners fondling our technology. The horrors!
The little scareware incident with MACguard was the perfect example. You could visit loads of forums that would have told you to not install it, and to get rid of it to just uninstall it like an app. The average user was not taught this, so they freaked out, and hoped that someone would save them. They were helpless trying to get to every source of info as possible. We don't like THIS.
Neither do non-technical users. Which is why within 5 years (maybe sooner now with iOS 5 not having PC dependancies) iOS devices will displace general purpose PC's for most normal users. iOS is inherently immune to the issue you cite. And even if something like a trojan gets through, unlike on general purpose OS's Apple (and google!) can - gasp - pull the offending program.
Wow - they can undo the "lusers" from shooting themselves in the foot. Like it or not, that's far more reasonable - some people are never going to learn "basic skills" you want. Not because they are stupid or lazy, but because they have different priorities.
If you need the difficulty to go down a notch then fine, but there has to be a point where we have to say, "it's simple enough, get up and learn or go do something else."
Your hubris is staggering. Again, thank god there is at least ONE company that is willing to call your elitist BS for what it is, ignore it and go on making technology accessible.
Anyway, let me bottom line it for you: Whether you like it or not, iOS is the future for the majority of users. Your days of control and "wants" are over. You can continue to rant and rail about worthiness and minimum skills all you want, but it won't have one whits of affect. Feel free to carry on - just be prepared for continued and increasing disappointment when reality continues to diverge from your vision.
How many people do you know that buy a mac specifically for the command line? Because I don't know any.
All the security specialists I know. But since Mac OS X has a GUI it must not be a real OS with such training wheels, right?
Gawd, I'm back in the 80's all over again
Computer holy wars
To be fair, the opposite is also true -- there are people who mock anything that isn't made by apple, and will only own an apple product simply because it came from apple.
Far less than you and other proponents of this straw man like to intimate.
But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night!
While this is to be expected at AI,
Yes! Who would expect Apple fans on an Apple site - the humanity!
they exist on many other tech sites that I read and thread crap there as well.
No where to the extent of the haters. And if you want to dispute that - throw up some links.
Fanboy-ism exists everywhere and it isn't something apple is immune to either.
Sure, there are fanboys everywhere. What gets me - and has since I first started using Mac's in the 80's is the Jexus's of the world who are obviously personally threatened by the mere existence of Apple. They act as if every time you purchase an Apple product God smotes a kitten, penguin and deletes a competing piece of technology from existence.
The insecurity of some people that others might prefer a model of computing that is contrary to their philosophy is simply staggering. That these same people will then try to portray Apple fans as religious zealots is hysterical and the very definition of ironic. That their totally blind to their hypocrisy, even after being openly ridiculed (with love and reason, mind you) is just sad.
Oh well...
And call me shocked. almost 200 messages and the "still no support for Flash" whining hasn't started. I think that might be a record.
LOL - even the flashtards have given up, I think.
Finally.
LOL - even the flashtards have given up, I think.
Finally.
AGAIN, you're quintuple posting. Irony in that you wasted one on a single emoticon response to my first comment about it.
There's an edit button in the bottom right of your posts and a multi-quote button in the bottom right of everyone else's.
AGAIN, you're quintuple posting.
You mean responding individually? Your getting pedantic about posting style? Good luck with that...
And people thought grammar whores were bad?
AGAIN
Quintuple...
you're quintuple posting.
...posting...
Irony in that you wasted one on a single emoticon response to my first comment about it.
...is posting...
There's an edit button in the bottom right of your posts
...five times in response to one post...
and a multi-quote button in the bottom right of everyone else's.
...and not five postings in response to 5 different posts.
I'm pondering about enrolling in the developers iOS program, so I can get early access to the iOS 5 upgrade.
You mean responding individually? Your getting pedantic about posting style? Good luck with that...
And people thought grammar whores were bad?
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
I'm finally glad the PC Free idea is intact, I get get antsy having to hook up my iPhone 4 to my laptop for syncing purposes every time I have new data stored. Also, the Notification Center is a much welcome feature and is surely needed.
I'm pondering about enrolling in the developers iOS program, so I can get early access to the iOS 5 upgrade.
Note Apple allow added two other features to the "PC free" option that make this work.
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
Multi quote is optional, it's just a convenience. Not everyone replies to those properly anyway, and it's easy to make your post cumbersome. Some single replies got large. I think the "Doc" was doing fine. It's kind of a judgement call.
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
Don't think there is a rule that people must use multi-quote. Some people do, religiously and frequently. Others don't. I've been here for years and I think I've tried using multi quote only a couple of times. Makes replying a pain sometimes, anyways. Don't see the problem.
There are people here, too, who will rage about simple grammatical errors (of which there are plenty and most posters including myself have had their share)(your for you're, then for than it's for its, etc). These debates often detract from the discussion at hand. If it doesn't impede comprehension, why do we let it be, as we are all here for the communication?
Just noticed Jeff beat me to it.
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Back on topic, this thread is abut iOS 5. I am looking forward to getting my hands on it. The camera functions will be nice. Just saw over at 9to5mac that there are custom vibrations in OS5, so you can set the phone to vibrate differently for different callers. Now you won't have to take it out of your pocket to know who's calling. Cool.
Just saw over at 9to5mac that there are custom vibrations in OS5, so you can set the phone to vibrate differently for different callers. Now you won't have to take it out of your pocket to know who's calling. Cool.
Yes - I'm hoping Apple also has profile support so I can quickly switch between a few combinations of vibrations and audible alerts - it's the last thing missing that my work BlackBerry offers that I would miss. I'm amazed at all the little stuff Apple is addressing in this update - it adds up quickly!
It also proves that they are listening to their customers. This will be a stellar update indeed!
The multi-quote button exists for that reason. I don't make the rules or the forum code; it's there for a reason.
If it bothers you that much, have at me with the ignore list. Otherwise don't hold your breath...