Agreed! And their is the positive effect on the environment, too. No water to bleach the cardboard for the boxes, no trees used, no toxic colored inks, no fossil fuel used to make the plastic, no manufacturing waste and no fossil fuel used to ship or go to the store to pick it up.
To insist on an optical disc is short sighted, to say the least. Good for Apple!
The only contention I can see for a counterargument is the installer offers on option to create a Restore Disc or Disk, as the case my be. This is something will be useful until Apple starts shipping Macs with Lion at which point the 8GB flash drive will become their Restore Disc.
There is an option in Recovery HD ? which is accessed by holding down Option key during boot up ? to reinstall Mac OS X Lion but I can't get it to work. I'm not sure if this is rollover code from when this setup was part of the Restore Disc or if they have plans to have the Installer files moved to an area that Recovery HD can locate.
If Steve says you don't need one, then you don't get one. To say otherwise will bring down the wrath of the AI community, as you can see from the responses.
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
Of course no one buys iMacs anymore. Everybody loves iPads. A new iMac doesn't even rate the front page of the website for one single day. It's not as sexy as a white iPhone or a cloud service.
Sounds like somebody is still getting over the decision to remove floppy drives from the 1999 iMac.
The only contention I can see for a counterargument is the installer offers on option to create a Restore Disc or Disk, as the case my be. This is something will be useful until Apple starts shipping Macs with Lion at which point the 8GB flash drive will become their Restore Disc.
There is an option in Recovery HD ? which is accessed by holding down Option key during boot up ? to reinstall Mac OS X Lion but I can't get it to work. I'm not sure if this is rollover code from when this setup was part of the Restore Disc or if they have plans to have the Installer files moved to an area that Recovery HD can locate.
Yet, I can get Cyberduck for free from Macupdate.com, but it costs $23 at the App Store. So much for lowering costs. And still no mention of a solution for corporate firewalls that block the App Store.
The only problem with your analogy here is that the Free one prompts you to Donate if at all possible. The one on the MAS does not ask you for this, as you have already "donated".
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
When iCloud is released to the general public, and when the initial novelty wears off, then I suspect we'll see a Local-iCloud Server announcement.
I've been playing around with iCloud Backup for my iP4, iPad 2, and iPad 1. The initial backup takes a bit of time -- as you'd expect. But the Delta backup takes just a few minutes.
PhotoStream works great!
All iCloud services are mot present in the beta -- but I like what I see!
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Enjoy your LC 575. It can't run OS X anyway. I know, I tried. And then I hit 12 and learned the difference between the Motorola and IBM chips and why OS X couldn't run on the LC 575.
If Steve says you don't need one, then you don't get one. To say otherwise will bring down the wrath of the AI community, as you can see from the responses.
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
Of course no one buys iMacs anymore. Everybody loves iPads. A new iMac doesn't even rate the front page of the website for one single day. It's not as sexy as a white iPhone or a cloud service.
OK!
You've performed as expected!
Groundhog day is over... You've seen your shadow... Time to crawl back into your hole!
Did anyone else watch Steve's presentation to the Cupertino City Council about the new 'mother ship', and note his comment about the auditorium?
Specifically about how they always have to come up to SF for presenations?
I guess things like WWDC keynotes will continue to be at the event venue, but suspect that we'll soon see all flat-out announcements taking place at the new facility.
Actually, they already run some show-and-tells at their current location. Of course, those are typically smaller and more intimate.
I think it would be a good idea for Apple to consider making WiFi available for Cupertino. It will no doubt be a big undertaking. But they could at least draw up what it would require, and provide the needed equipment. They could then have a separate company do the actual work. Of course it would be abig expense to them. But it would be a huge gift to the city that everyone associates Apple with. Maybe they would be given some kind of Tax relief.
Seem to remember that Google is planning on doing the same with one particular town. That was chosen for many direct-indirect reasons. They could have easily have chosen Mountain View, but they didn't. Apple could one up them there.
One other thing. Google isn't doing this just to be good guys (again). There is a business
to be made of this. There are LOTS of towns and cities out there that are paying close attention to what Google is doing. Could be some money there. All Apple would have to do would be hire another person (like the guy they had overseeing the Data Farm construction) oversee this project(s). I bet there wasn't very many Apple engineers involved in the actual construction.
Some Cupertino City Councilwoman tried to bully/shame Steve into providing free WiFi for the city at the recent preso for the new campus (totally out of line).
Classic Steve replied (paraphrased): "I'm a simple person -- I believe that we should pay the taxes and the City should provide the services. Now, if you want to trade off the taxes..."
How about copying Lion to a disk after it is downloaded? Is that something that can be done? I wouldn't know since i haven't used the mac app store and are unaware of any technical hurdles in the way.
Yeah truly awesome for those people who can't get a fast connection and have caps on downloads. Truly wonderful. It will leave lots of people out of snow lion since it is download only.
I mean let's take a look at the general population (US only for simplicity's sake) information to see what that number could look like:
According to census numbers:
Total US population - 285,230,516
Urban US population - 225,956,060
Rural US population - 59,274,456
so ~20% of population has obvious connection challenges. That means that roughly out approximately 75 million active Mac users only 15 million, potentially have download issues - that is assuming they have no other means of accessing a fast internet connection, and your concern assumes that there are no other means by which those downloads can be done. This would be ignoring the nearly 100,000 free to the public WiFi zone across the US, let alone access via friends' and neighbors'. Yes by all means, Apple should temper it's innovation to make sure that 100% of Mac users are fully convenienced and no one is "left behind".
Because innovation should always be shackled to whatever is best for all. And of course Apple has made absolutely NO provision for those with connection challenges...
When my HD fries, or I want to upgrade, I'll have to install SL, then download 4GB (again), to get the OS up.
Just give me the option to burn an ISO at least.
Then of course, if I have 3 macs to upgrade, that's 12GB of downloads each time. No thanks.
(I'm not interested in cloning or TM backups. I prefer clean installs.)
Some people only have 3G connections, this is ridiculous.
EDIT: Dorotea9999 I agree.
You of course would have noticed that a disc image is included in the download, so you can download once, burn and sneakernet the disc to your other machines, or *gasp* cross-load from the first machine on your own personal network.
Quote:
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
Or you could, as I have already mentioned use the 21st century technology at your fingertips and simply cross-load on your network. Seriously - this IS the 21st century, Steampunk is geek fashionable, Ludditing is not.
The auditorium reference is at 8:25, but whole presentation is worth watching (you can skip the obligatory City Council showboating that follows.)
What was funny was the very Jobs-ian hammering home of the basic concept, which was "We really want to stay in Cupertino." (along with the implied horse's head in the bed.)
Thanks. That was interesting and makes me want to get a job at Apple.
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Originally Posted by Hunabku
How about copying Lion to a disk after it is downloaded? Is that something that can be done? I wouldn't know since i haven't used the mac app store and are unaware of any technical hurdles in the way.
Sure. It's an app in your /Applications folder so copying is a breeze.
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Good Idea!
Apple should offer a DVD version for $79.99 plus shipping and handling.
I mean let's take a look at the general population (US only for simplicity's sake) information to see what that number could look like:
According to census numbers:
Total US population - 285,230,516
Urban US population - 225,956,060
Rural US population - 59,274,456
so ~20% of population has obvious connection challenges. That means that roughly out approximately 75 million active Mac users only 15 million, potentially have download issues - that is assuming they have no other means of accessing a fast internet connection, and your concern assumes that there are no other means by which those downloads can be done. This would be ignoring the nearly 100,000 free to the public WiFi zone across the US, let alone access via friends' and neighbors'. Yes by all means, Apple should temper it's innovation to make sure that 100% of Mac users are fully convenienced and no one is "left behind".
Because innovation should always be shackled to whatever is best for all. And of course Apple has made absolutely NO provision for those with connection challenges...
I thought that, after he invented the Internet, AlGore wired the US for Internet -- I saw the pictures of AlGore and Free Willie with cables over their shoulders -- Didn't our taxes pay for that?
Yeah truly awesome for those people who can't get a fast connection and have caps on downloads. Truly wonderful. It will leave lots of people out of snow lion since it is download only.
On which remote mountaintop do you live where the local tax-funded public library that you're already paying for doesn't offer super-fast free wifi?
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Agreed! And their is the positive effect on the environment, too. No water to bleach the cardboard for the boxes, no trees used, no toxic colored inks, no fossil fuel used to make the plastic, no manufacturing waste and no fossil fuel used to ship or go to the store to pick it up.
To insist on an optical disc is short sighted, to say the least. Good for Apple!
The only contention I can see for a counterargument is the installer offers on option to create a Restore Disc or Disk, as the case my be. This is something will be useful until Apple starts shipping Macs with Lion at which point the 8GB flash drive will become their Restore Disc.
There is an option in Recovery HD ? which is accessed by holding down Option key during boot up ? to reinstall Mac OS X Lion but I can't get it to work. I'm not sure if this is rollover code from when this setup was part of the Restore Disc or if they have plans to have the Installer files moved to an area that Recovery HD can locate.
If Steve says you don't need one, then you don't get one. To say otherwise will bring down the wrath of the AI community, as you can see from the responses.
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
Of course no one buys iMacs anymore. Everybody loves iPads. A new iMac doesn't even rate the front page of the website for one single day. It's not as sexy as a white iPhone or a cloud service.
Sounds like somebody is still getting over the decision to remove floppy drives from the 1999 iMac.
The only contention I can see for a counterargument is the installer offers on option to create a Restore Disc or Disk, as the case my be. This is something will be useful until Apple starts shipping Macs with Lion at which point the 8GB flash drive will become their Restore Disc.
There is an option in Recovery HD ? which is accessed by holding down Option key during boot up ? to reinstall Mac OS X Lion but I can't get it to work. I'm not sure if this is rollover code from when this setup was part of the Restore Disc or if they have plans to have the Installer files moved to an area that Recovery HD can locate.
Good to know, thanks!
Yet, I can get Cyberduck for free from Macupdate.com, but it costs $23 at the App Store. So much for lowering costs. And still no mention of a solution for corporate firewalls that block the App Store.
The only problem with your analogy here is that the Free one prompts you to Donate if at all possible. The one on the MAS does not ask you for this, as you have already "donated".
Burn a copy to a DVD.
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Where are the new Airport and Time Capsule?
Apparently that was a bogus rumor
Maybe just a rumor whose time is yet to come.
When iCloud is released to the general public, and when the initial novelty wears off, then I suspect we'll see a Local-iCloud Server announcement.
I've been playing around with iCloud Backup for my iP4, iPad 2, and iPad 1. The initial backup takes a bit of time -- as you'd expect. But the Delta backup takes just a few minutes.
PhotoStream works great!
All iCloud services are mot present in the beta -- but I like what I see!
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Enjoy your LC 575. It can't run OS X anyway. I know, I tried. And then I hit 12 and learned the difference between the Motorola and IBM chips and why OS X couldn't run on the LC 575.
If Steve says you don't need one, then you don't get one. To say otherwise will bring down the wrath of the AI community, as you can see from the responses.
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
Of course no one buys iMacs anymore. Everybody loves iPads. A new iMac doesn't even rate the front page of the website for one single day. It's not as sexy as a white iPhone or a cloud service.
OK!
You've performed as expected!
Groundhog day is over... You've seen your shadow... Time to crawl back into your hole!
Did anyone else watch Steve's presentation to the Cupertino City Council about the new 'mother ship', and note his comment about the auditorium?
Specifically about how they always have to come up to SF for presenations?
I guess things like WWDC keynotes will continue to be at the event venue, but suspect that we'll soon see all flat-out announcements taking place at the new facility.
Actually, they already run some show-and-tells at their current location. Of course, those are typically smaller and more intimate.
I think it would be a good idea for Apple to consider making WiFi available for Cupertino. It will no doubt be a big undertaking. But they could at least draw up what it would require, and provide the needed equipment. They could then have a separate company do the actual work. Of course it would be abig expense to them. But it would be a huge gift to the city that everyone associates Apple with. Maybe they would be given some kind of Tax relief.
Seem to remember that Google is planning on doing the same with one particular town. That was chosen for many direct-indirect reasons. They could have easily have chosen Mountain View, but they didn't. Apple could one up them there.
One other thing. Google isn't doing this just to be good guys (again). There is a business
to be made of this. There are LOTS of towns and cities out there that are paying close attention to what Google is doing. Could be some money there. All Apple would have to do would be hire another person (like the guy they had overseeing the Data Farm construction) oversee this project(s). I bet there wasn't very many Apple engineers involved in the actual construction.
Some Cupertino City Councilwoman tried to bully/shame Steve into providing free WiFi for the city at the recent preso for the new campus (totally out of line).
Classic Steve replied (paraphrased): "I'm a simple person -- I believe that we should pay the taxes and the City should provide the services. Now, if you want to trade off the taxes..."
Yeah truly awesome for those people who can't get a fast connection and have caps on downloads. Truly wonderful. It will leave lots of people out of snow lion since it is download only.
I mean let's take a look at the general population (US only for simplicity's sake) information to see what that number could look like:
According to census numbers:
Total US population - 285,230,516
Urban US population - 225,956,060
Rural US population - 59,274,456
so ~20% of population has obvious connection challenges. That means that roughly out approximately 75 million active Mac users only 15 million, potentially have download issues - that is assuming they have no other means of accessing a fast internet connection, and your concern assumes that there are no other means by which those downloads can be done. This would be ignoring the nearly 100,000 free to the public WiFi zone across the US, let alone access via friends' and neighbors'. Yes by all means, Apple should temper it's innovation to make sure that 100% of Mac users are fully convenienced and no one is "left behind".
Because innovation should always be shackled to whatever is best for all. And of course Apple has made absolutely NO provision for those with connection challenges...
When my HD fries, or I want to upgrade, I'll have to install SL, then download 4GB (again), to get the OS up.
Just give me the option to burn an ISO at least.
Then of course, if I have 3 macs to upgrade, that's 12GB of downloads each time. No thanks.
(I'm not interested in cloning or TM backups. I prefer clean installs.)
Some people only have 3G connections, this is ridiculous.
EDIT: Dorotea9999 I agree.
You of course would have noticed that a disc image is included in the download, so you can download once, burn and sneakernet the disc to your other machines, or *gasp* cross-load from the first machine on your own personal network.
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
Or you could, as I have already mentioned use the 21st century technology at your fingertips and simply cross-load on your network. Seriously - this IS the 21st century, Steampunk is geek fashionable, Ludditing is not.
Choices - they just work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5...layer_embedded
The auditorium reference is at 8:25, but whole presentation is worth watching (you can skip the obligatory City Council showboating that follows.)
What was funny was the very Jobs-ian hammering home of the basic concept, which was "We really want to stay in Cupertino." (along with the implied horse's head in the bed.)
Thanks. That was interesting and makes me want to get a job at Apple.
How about copying Lion to a disk after it is downloaded? Is that something that can be done? I wouldn't know since i haven't used the mac app store and are unaware of any technical hurdles in the way.
Sure. It's an app in your /Applications folder so copying is a breeze.
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Good Idea!
Apple should offer a DVD version for $79.99 plus shipping and handling.
The Lion installer is an application.
Install Lion onto a USB stick, external HDD or something like that at put the installer application on that.
Boot from the stick and run the installer when you need to intall on a blank disc.
Embracing 21st century technology!!!!!
I mean let's take a look at the general population (US only for simplicity's sake) information to see what that number could look like:
According to census numbers:
Total US population - 285,230,516
Urban US population - 225,956,060
Rural US population - 59,274,456
so ~20% of population has obvious connection challenges. That means that roughly out approximately 75 million active Mac users only 15 million, potentially have download issues - that is assuming they have no other means of accessing a fast internet connection, and your concern assumes that there are no other means by which those downloads can be done. This would be ignoring the nearly 100,000 free to the public WiFi zone across the US, let alone access via friends' and neighbors'. Yes by all means, Apple should temper it's innovation to make sure that 100% of Mac users are fully convenienced and no one is "left behind".
Because innovation should always be shackled to whatever is best for all. And of course Apple has made absolutely NO provision for those with connection challenges...
I thought that, after he invented the Internet, AlGore wired the US for Internet -- I saw the pictures of AlGore and Free Willie with cables over their shoulders -- Didn't our taxes pay for that?
Edit: Couldn't resist:
Yeah truly awesome for those people who can't get a fast connection and have caps on downloads. Truly wonderful. It will leave lots of people out of snow lion since it is download only.
On which remote mountaintop do you live where the local tax-funded public library that you're already paying for doesn't offer super-fast free wifi?