Or, here's a solution for all those who would pay a premium for a disc -- spend $1.00 on a short coffee at one of the 4,000 Starbucks locations across America and use the free wifi. Or spend 49 cents on an ice cream cone at one of the 14,000 McDonald's locations across the country and use the wifi there.
I noticed that they only compared Mac App Store to physical retail stores. They did not mention anything about downloading software directly from the manufacturer.
Schiller, "In the last 6 months the Mac App Store has become the number one PC software channel for buying software. That's incredible."
Or, here's a solution for all those who would pay a premium for a disc -- spend $1.00 on a short coffee at one of the 4,000 Starbucks locations across America and use the free wifi. Or spend 49 cents on an ice cream cone at one of the 14,000 McDonald's locations across the country and use the wifi there.
If you won't pony up 49 cents, then enjoy your Altair.
I've been all around northeast Indiana. If you can't find a McDonald's, then you're blind.
Or go to an Apple Store where you might have picked it up anyway or tried to test it and DL it from there. I usually get about 16Mb/s so the 3.4GB file be done in under 30 minutes. With their content it seems to be faster. I think they may have a local server cache just for that contingency.
Google "Snow Leopard internet sharing" and you'll see the top searches Google suggests are "not working, greyed out, fails, problems, issues, etc." Some people have wasted days and even weeks trying unsuccessfully to get it to work, and have posted such on the Apple Support forums.
"There is no such thing as Free Public WiFi" is most likely a jab at Windows security... There was a virus going around on XP machines that created a network called "Free Public WiFi", any XP machine that connected to it would get the virus too.
Impressive wireless and wired network though. Having that many computers all chatting away on similar frequencies and not completely collapsing when everyone clicked "Download Lion Developer Preview" is quite an achievement. Shame Apple didn't use their own Airport hardware though, would have been a good thing to show off.
Apple has nice consumer equipment, but it cannot match a enterprise Cisco network.
Aggregated alarm notifications
Automated browser redirect
Simplified setup and configuration
Quick and advanced searches
Location tracking of client, Wi-Fi, and rogue devices
Inventory reports
Secure administrative access
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Originally Posted by noexpectations
As a Network Engineer for over 15 years, these are standard views and reports from a major Wifi Vendor (not Apple). Apple did not create this. They are simply just another WiFi Vendor customer (like many thousands of other corporate customers).
Cisco is the vendor
Here are the components that make up the network Apple made.
1) The fact that you'd download it 3x instead of once tells us you decided to react before thinking.
2) Then burn it to a DVD. This has been detailed since the first beta was released. Hell, it's the same routine of copying the previous DVD installs to a HDD's partition or USB flash drive that I've been using for years.
3) Time Machine isn't installing the OS, it's for your data and settings, and it's very handy. Even if you don't want your Library preferences copied to a new system having your data files restored and backed up with ease shouldn't make you too afraid.
4) Maybe I expect too much from posters on an Apple-based tech forum, but I do assume you understand how to use Disk Utility to create an bootable disc from a disk image.
5. could he not set up a DL before he goes to sleep ???
6/And sinceApple has changed the game i feel i mst inform the big damn babies here if you DOWNLOAD anything from app store <<even items 2 yrs ago >>> i counts on any of your machines and if you lose it App store gives it back to you ..
BOOTABLE DISC ?? would not the hardware test disc work just as well ??
I'm so over optical media for software distribution. It just means it's out of date the moment the DVD is pressed. I installed Snow Leopard using a bootable USB memory stick...and I've never looked back.
The benefit of having the DVD media is that it is bootable, and provides standalone installation. If Apple distributed full retail copies of Lion on a read-only USB flash drive, that would probably satisfy most of the DVD crowd.
As for DVDs being out of date, perhaps Apple should take a look at Microsoft's "slipstreaming" technique, where you can apply the latest updates to a Windows install disk, thereby creating an up-to-date installation disk.
The questions I have about App Store-only distribution of Lion:
Will the file you download from the Mac App Store allow you to create a standalone USB or Firewire boot disk that you can run the Lion installer from, without having to first install previous versions of Mac OS?
And would it provide all the options typically available from the bootable DVD installer, such as "Archive and Install" and "Erase and Install"?
What about companies that have not yet upgraded their older Intel Macs to Snow Leopard due to issues such as compatibility with older software. Would there be a way for them to upgrade those Macs directly to Lion without having to first upgrade to 10.5, then 10.6?
Can IT departments copy the Lion installer and run it on a Snow Leopard Mac that is not signed in to the App Store?
How does Mac App Store authorization affect companies that use disk images for setting up dozens or hundreds of Macs? Does every Mac in the company need to be signed in to a Mac App Store account with credit card info?
Why? It makes no sense. Might as well just download it. It will take less time than a disc, anyway.
Not everyone has bandwidth time to waste on downloading > 4GB of data over the net, and no that won't take less time than slot loading a disc and installing it.
This has been stated ad naeusem for months now. It takes less than 5 minutes to create a bootable backup of Lion. If you want to this to be a DVD and not a HDD or NAND, then add a couple more minutes for your optical burner and even more for it to check the burn. It's not a big fucking deal.
If you are still using Leopard 2 years after Snow Leopard shipped you're unlikely to be wanting to get the latest OS right when it comes out. No company should have to work around so many niggling requests by a few fringe users.
PS: Anyone who wants Lion on a DVD can send me $129 plus S&H. All proceeds will be donated to The Halfwit House on your behalf.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Not everyone has bandwidth time to waste on downloading > 4GB of data over the net, and no that won't take less time than slot loading a disc and installing it.
It would likely take less time and effort from the time that you'd order them online, with one being DLed and the other shipped.
The presentation of displays highlights the efforts of Apple's network engineers, who have also installed over a thousand wired Ethernet jacks in the building to enable developers in attendance to set up a very fast connection suitable for downloading the 4GB new build of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, as well as new developer builds of iOS 5 and Xcode, Apple's integrated development environment for its desktop and mobile platforms.
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They wired a building for Ethernet, and that's news? Is this 1985?
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
It will be like 99% of all Windows's PCs that ship - a recovery partition that it's your responsibility to back up.
I expect they will provide a facility to do so - but I wouldn't expect it to be optical. You can see where Apple is going with the MacBook Air - I expect you will be able to back it up to a flash drive. Since you can get a 2GB flash drive for 25 slurpees I doubt that will be a hardship for anyone. No harder than picking up a couple of blank DVDs.
Agreed! And there is the positive effect on the environment, too. No water to bleach the cardboard for the boxes, no trees used, no toxic colored inks, no fossil fuel used to make the plastic, no manufacturing waste and no fossil fuel used to ship or go to the store to pick it up.
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you
Are you for real? PC users haven't gotten DVD media in years and MS raised the price of Windows!
Apple cut it by $100 and your whining you don't get a DVD that the vast majority of people use once, maybe twice? Yup, that's the kind of convenience that the expense and waist of materials is entirely justified for. Bravo!
But... but... but... Britons on the internet (see Slashdot, Fark, et.al.) have been crowing for years that their internet is faster, cheaper, and more ubiquitous than in the United States. Do you mean that your country is really as backwards as the actual statistics indicate?
They wired a building for Ethernet, and that's news? Is this 1985?
This may come as a shock to some (who seem to have ignorance for the laws of physics but I digress) - wired is faster than wireless and has significantly more capacity which is important when you are, say, tossing around 4GB installations of OS's and Development platforms.
That's the difference between Apple and smart a$$ forum posters - Apple = Professionals. Forum posters - well, you get the idea...
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Be more specific, so I can prove you wrong.
Or, here's a solution for all those who would pay a premium for a disc -- spend $1.00 on a short coffee at one of the 4,000 Starbucks locations across America and use the free wifi. Or spend 49 cents on an ice cream cone at one of the 14,000 McDonald's locations across the country and use the wifi there.
And sit there for how long?
I noticed that they only compared Mac App Store to physical retail stores. They did not mention anything about downloading software directly from the manufacturer.
Schiller, "In the last 6 months the Mac App Store has become the number one PC software channel for buying software. That's incredible."
Source: WWDC 2011 keynote video, 16m:50s
Be more specific, so I can prove you wrong.
Or, here's a solution for all those who would pay a premium for a disc -- spend $1.00 on a short coffee at one of the 4,000 Starbucks locations across America and use the free wifi. Or spend 49 cents on an ice cream cone at one of the 14,000 McDonald's locations across the country and use the wifi there.
If you won't pony up 49 cents, then enjoy your Altair.
I've been all around northeast Indiana. If you can't find a McDonald's, then you're blind.
Or go to an Apple Store where you might have picked it up anyway or tried to test it and DL it from there. I usually get about 16Mb/s so the 3.4GB file be done in under 30 minutes. With their content it seems to be faster. I think they may have a local server cache just for that contingency.
how so? im using it now...
Google "Snow Leopard internet sharing" and you'll see the top searches Google suggests are "not working, greyed out, fails, problems, issues, etc." Some people have wasted days and even weeks trying unsuccessfully to get it to work, and have posted such on the Apple Support forums.
"There is no such thing as Free Public WiFi" is most likely a jab at Windows security... There was a virus going around on XP machines that created a network called "Free Public WiFi", any XP machine that connected to it would get the virus too.
Impressive wireless and wired network though. Having that many computers all chatting away on similar frequencies and not completely collapsing when everyone clicked "Download Lion Developer Preview" is quite an achievement. Shame Apple didn't use their own Airport hardware though, would have been a good thing to show off.
Apple has nice consumer equipment, but it cannot match a enterprise Cisco network.
Aggregated alarm notifications
Automated browser redirect
Simplified setup and configuration
Quick and advanced searches
Location tracking of client, Wi-Fi, and rogue devices
Inventory reports
Secure administrative access
As a Network Engineer for over 15 years, these are standard views and reports from a major Wifi Vendor (not Apple). Apple did not create this. They are simply just another WiFi Vendor customer (like many thousands of other corporate customers).
Cisco is the vendor
Here are the components that make up the network Apple made.
Access Point
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10981/index.html
Wireless Controller
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps10315/index.html
Wireless Control System (WCS)
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6305/index.html
Wireless Control System Navigator
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps7305/index.html
Anyone know what the networking equipment was/is for WWDC? I can guarantee it's not a bunch of APX routers. Maybe Cisco, Juniper, or perhaps Aruba?
Cisco
1) The fact that you'd download it 3x instead of once tells us you decided to react before thinking.
2) Then burn it to a DVD. This has been detailed since the first beta was released. Hell, it's the same routine of copying the previous DVD installs to a HDD's partition or USB flash drive that I've been using for years.
3) Time Machine isn't installing the OS, it's for your data and settings, and it's very handy. Even if you don't want your Library preferences copied to a new system having your data files restored and backed up with ease shouldn't make you too afraid.
4) Maybe I expect too much from posters on an Apple-based tech forum, but I do assume you understand how to use Disk Utility to create an bootable disc from a disk image.
5. could he not set up a DL before he goes to sleep ???
6/And sinceApple has changed the game i feel i mst inform the big damn babies here if you DOWNLOAD anything from app store <<even items 2 yrs ago >>> i counts on any of your machines and if you lose it App store gives it back to you ..
BOOTABLE DISC ?? would not the hardware test disc work just as well ??
just saying
its hot in nyc 100 degrees in the shade
90
Schiller, "In the last 6 months the Mac App Store has become the number one PC software channel for buying software. That's incredible."
Source: WWDC 2011 keynote video, 16m:50s
it took 34 days
I'm so over optical media for software distribution. It just means it's out of date the moment the DVD is pressed. I installed Snow Leopard using a bootable USB memory stick...and I've never looked back.
The benefit of having the DVD media is that it is bootable, and provides standalone installation. If Apple distributed full retail copies of Lion on a read-only USB flash drive, that would probably satisfy most of the DVD crowd.
As for DVDs being out of date, perhaps Apple should take a look at Microsoft's "slipstreaming" technique, where you can apply the latest updates to a Windows install disk, thereby creating an up-to-date installation disk.
The questions I have about App Store-only distribution of Lion:
Will the file you download from the Mac App Store allow you to create a standalone USB or Firewire boot disk that you can run the Lion installer from, without having to first install previous versions of Mac OS?
And would it provide all the options typically available from the bootable DVD installer, such as "Archive and Install" and "Erase and Install"?
What about companies that have not yet upgraded their older Intel Macs to Snow Leopard due to issues such as compatibility with older software. Would there be a way for them to upgrade those Macs directly to Lion without having to first upgrade to 10.5, then 10.6?
Can IT departments copy the Lion installer and run it on a Snow Leopard Mac that is not signed in to the App Store?
How does Mac App Store authorization affect companies that use disk images for setting up dozens or hundreds of Macs? Does every Mac in the company need to be signed in to a Mac App Store account with credit card info?
Why? It makes no sense. Might as well just download it. It will take less time than a disc, anyway.
Not everyone has bandwidth time to waste on downloading > 4GB of data over the net, and no that won't take less time than slot loading a disc and installing it.
When iCloud is released to the general public, and when the initial novelty wears off, then I suspect we'll see a Local-iCloud Server announcement.
For enterprise and SMB adoption, a local iCloud server has to happen.
If you are still using Leopard 2 years after Snow Leopard shipped you're unlikely to be wanting to get the latest OS right when it comes out. No company should have to work around so many niggling requests by a few fringe users.
PS: Anyone who wants Lion on a DVD can send me $129 plus S&H. All proceeds will be donated to The Halfwit House on your behalf.
Not everyone has bandwidth time to waste on downloading > 4GB of data over the net, and no that won't take less time than slot loading a disc and installing it.
It would likely take less time and effort from the time that you'd order them online, with one being DLed and the other shipped.
).
The presentation of displays highlights the efforts of Apple's network engineers, who have also installed over a thousand wired Ethernet jacks in the building to enable developers in attendance to set up a very fast connection suitable for downloading the 4GB new build of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, as well as new developer builds of iOS 5 and Xcode, Apple's integrated development environment for its desktop and mobile platforms.
.
They wired a building for Ethernet, and that's news? Is this 1985?
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you (please provide your bandwidth and USB drive. If you want to burn a disc, please buy an external DVD drive for your Macbook Air).
OR
You could just offer a DVD version Apple. "it just works".
Not on a MBA it doesn't!
(I'm not interested in cloning or TM backups. I prefer clean installs.)
This has to be one of the most ludicrous things I have read in theses forums in a LONG time.
So if you prefer clean installs, how many times do you boot up before you consider your install dirty and start over again?
I suspect you are dismissing TM or cloning since it negates your "objection" about download only - nice attempt but pretty lame.
I think they should give you a choice of optical media for a fee. I wonder if you buy a new iMac truck after lion is out if it will come with any restore disc or repair tools?
It will be like 99% of all Windows's PCs that ship - a recovery partition that it's your responsibility to back up.
I expect they will provide a facility to do so - but I wouldn't expect it to be optical. You can see where Apple is going with the MacBook Air - I expect you will be able to back it up to a flash drive. Since you can get a 2GB flash drive for 25 slurpees I doubt that will be a hardship for anyone. No harder than picking up a couple of blank DVDs.
Of course no one buys iMacs anymore.
Agreed! And there is the positive effect on the environment, too. No water to bleach the cardboard for the boxes, no trees used, no toxic colored inks, no fossil fuel used to make the plastic, no manufacturing waste and no fossil fuel used to ship or go to the store to pick it up.
Electrons are easier to recycle too!
Perhaps there should be an asterisk on the $29.99* cost.
*does not include DVD. That cost is now passed to you
Are you for real? PC users haven't gotten DVD media in years and MS raised the price of Windows!
Apple cut it by $100 and your whining you don't get a DVD that the vast majority of people use once, maybe twice? Yup, that's the kind of convenience that the expense and waist of materials is entirely justified for. Bravo!
Northeast Indiana.
They don't have McDonalds in Indiana? Fascinating!
Carry on!
indeed
But... but... but... Britons on the internet (see Slashdot, Fark, et.al.) have been crowing for years that their internet is faster, cheaper, and more ubiquitous than in the United States. Do you mean that your country is really as backwards as the actual statistics indicate?
I lol'd!
They wired a building for Ethernet, and that's news? Is this 1985?
This may come as a shock to some (who seem to have ignorance for the laws of physics but I digress) - wired is faster than wireless and has significantly more capacity which is important when you are, say, tossing around 4GB installations of OS's and Development platforms.
That's the difference between Apple and smart a$$ forum posters - Apple = Professionals. Forum posters - well, you get the idea...