Somehow I would respect the likes of this man's opinions and open minded opines before I would accept the rhetoric expounded by many of the whom profess to be experts on just about everything.
If you have no stake in the outcome, it makes choosing an opinion to agree with a very arbitrary and ultimately pointless affair. A large number of Apple fans naturally want to side with anyone pushing the positives but it's not a popularity content.
On June 20th you could buy a piece of software from Apple to edit together a music video, load footage from a network drive, setup a proxy edit, run the multi-cam option, work with a broadcast monitor live, get your footage colour-graded in Color or DaVinci via EDL and get the sound mixed at an audio house in Pro Tools by exporting an OMF. You could even bring a sequence from a previous project in to mix with it.
On June 21st up until now, you cannot buy such a piece of software.
No matter how people feel about the situation, that is the situation.
Regardless of the positive opinions over the Final Cut roadmap, right now there's a big problem that wasn't there before. Apple creating a workflow problem that wasn't there before can in no way be spun into a positive. The best you can do is accept that patience is required for this to be resolved and that's not a positive.
For those saying they'll jump ship and go to Premiere, that would be stupid, think of it this way...
You currently have a perfectly good BMW with 5 gears that runs great and you know how to drive it really well and will still be running for years to come.
Then*get offered a brand new (rebuilt from the ground up) BMW called BMW-X that you can buy cheap to test drive. It promises to be faster, safer, sexier more technically advanced that your BMW, but currently only has 3 of it's 5 gears available, so you can't drive it on the highway yet. *
You can keep your BMW and drive it as much as you like, but can drive the BMW-X around the streets getting to know it well before the new gears get fitted, an when they do you'll be driving the fastest and most advanced car on the highway.
So, what would be the smart thing to do?*
1. Get the BMW-X and just drive it on the side occasionally to learn all about it before the gears arrive so you're ready for when it's highway ready?
*or*
2. Say fuck that to both of them because you're a poof and go buy a Ford Fairlane (Premiere) coz it already has 5 gears but offers nothing new and drives like a bitch?
For those saying they'll jump ship and go to Premiere, that would be stupid, think of it this way...
You currently have a perfectly good BMW with 5 gears that runs great and you know how to drive it really well and will still be running for years to come.
Then*get offered a brand new (rebuilt from the ground up) BMW called BMW-X that you can buy cheap to test drive. It promises to be faster, safer, sexier more technically advanced that your BMW, but currently only has 3 of it's 5 gears available, so you can't drive it on the highway yet. *
You can keep your BMW and drive it as much as you like, but can drive the BMW-X around the streets getting to know it well before the new gears get fitted, an when they do you'll be driving the fastest and most advanced car on the highway.
So, what would be the smart thing to do?*
1. Get the BMW-X and just drive it on the side occasionally to learn all about it before the gears arrive so you're ready for when it's highway ready?
*or*
2. Say fuck that to both of them because you're a poof and go buy a Ford Fairlane (Premiere) coz it already has 5 gears but offers nothing new and drives like a bitch?
While we are just making up random analogies, lets say that you bought a BMW 5 years ago and your livelihood depends on that BMW. At minimal cost the dealer gives you some upgrades to the car but Mercedes have been releasing new models that are faster and have more features (allowing you to get more done and make more money). You write to your BMW dealer and he writes back saying that he has some awesome jaw dropping upgrades coming for you BMW and calls you one day to say it has arrived. You go over and are shown a shiny new BMW-X but it is missing a door, an engine and a wheel, has no AC (there is no door so who needs it) but he assures you that at some point in the some of the missing future will come but it's cheaper and it has an X in the name so it has too be good. He also tells you that you can keep your current BMW (it will take some workarounds to make that happen) but they will no longer service it as of that moment. What would be the smart thing to do now? Answer must be in the form of another random analogy.
Amazing how retarded Apple sometimes is. Even MS isn't this dumb. Imagine if Word 2010 didn't open Word 2003 documents. Although the inability to save .dbf files is beginning to severely annoy me in Office 2010...
Yes but the edit houses didn't have a 'known path' with regards to FCP7. And jumping ship to Avid or Premiere would be a far more drastic move than sitting tight with FCP7 and working with Apple to iron out the problems.
I wonder if FCPx gains the required feature set and works as well with peripherals as FCP7, or Avid, will the editor community accept it?
Trust is gone, one can't run a profitable business enterprise on faith, Apple has been EOL quite a few pro apps since 2006, starting with Shake, it was the top compositor in the industry, used on films like "The Lord of the Rings and King Kong, as well as Harry Potter movies also in use by CBS Digital for creating new visual effects for Star Trek Remastered.
Other major productions using Shake include the 2005 adaptation of War of the Worlds, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Fantastic Four, Mission Impossible 3, Poseidon, The Incredibles, Hulk, Doctor Who, The Dark Knight and Pirates of the Caribbean 2. what took it's place NUKE, which has a lot of Shakes development team working on it.
This industry can't depend on Apple or any vendor that supplies them tools today, but maybe not tomorrow, these were perfectly good small companies that were purchased for what end?... again multi million dollar films and commercials depend upon a useful and specific tool set to meet it's needs, Apple should just come clean on it's future intensions towards this market, support it or don't, why the dictates from on high as to how the industry should work to fit it's wider profit plans.
I don't see how the relationship can continue as it has prior to the last five years, profits are still to be made here for a clever hungry developer, price wont e so reasonable as that of a large company such as Apple, but back to an exclusive smaller set of end users like studios, networks and Title Houses, thus virtually the end of small easy start ups for independents, if cost of apps go back to that of say 15 years ago (sigh)
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I suspect that within 18 months, FCPX will have enough features to satisfy most pro needs.
Except opening old FCP 7 projects
Somehow I would respect the likes of this man's opinions and open minded opines before I would accept the rhetoric expounded by many of the whom profess to be experts on just about everything.
If you have no stake in the outcome, it makes choosing an opinion to agree with a very arbitrary and ultimately pointless affair. A large number of Apple fans naturally want to side with anyone pushing the positives but it's not a popularity content.
On June 20th you could buy a piece of software from Apple to edit together a music video, load footage from a network drive, setup a proxy edit, run the multi-cam option, work with a broadcast monitor live, get your footage colour-graded in Color or DaVinci via EDL and get the sound mixed at an audio house in Pro Tools by exporting an OMF. You could even bring a sequence from a previous project in to mix with it.
On June 21st up until now, you cannot buy such a piece of software.
No matter how people feel about the situation, that is the situation.
Regardless of the positive opinions over the Final Cut roadmap, right now there's a big problem that wasn't there before. Apple creating a workflow problem that wasn't there before can in no way be spun into a positive. The best you can do is accept that patience is required for this to be resolved and that's not a positive.
You currently have a perfectly good BMW with 5 gears that runs great and you know how to drive it really well and will still be running for years to come.
Then*get offered a brand new (rebuilt from the ground up) BMW called BMW-X that you can buy cheap to test drive. It promises to be faster, safer, sexier more technically advanced that your BMW, but currently only has 3 of it's 5 gears available, so you can't drive it on the highway yet. *
You can keep your BMW and drive it as much as you like, but can drive the BMW-X around the streets getting to know it well before the new gears get fitted, an when they do you'll be driving the fastest and most advanced car on the highway.
So, what would be the smart thing to do?*
1. Get the BMW-X and just drive it on the side occasionally to learn all about it before the gears arrive so you're ready for when it's highway ready?
*or*
2. Say fuck that to both of them because you're a poof and go buy a Ford Fairlane (Premiere) coz it already has 5 gears but offers nothing new and drives like a bitch?
For those saying they'll jump ship and go to Premiere, that would be stupid, think of it this way...
You currently have a perfectly good BMW with 5 gears that runs great and you know how to drive it really well and will still be running for years to come.
Then*get offered a brand new (rebuilt from the ground up) BMW called BMW-X that you can buy cheap to test drive. It promises to be faster, safer, sexier more technically advanced that your BMW, but currently only has 3 of it's 5 gears available, so you can't drive it on the highway yet. *
You can keep your BMW and drive it as much as you like, but can drive the BMW-X around the streets getting to know it well before the new gears get fitted, an when they do you'll be driving the fastest and most advanced car on the highway.
So, what would be the smart thing to do?*
1. Get the BMW-X and just drive it on the side occasionally to learn all about it before the gears arrive so you're ready for when it's highway ready?
*or*
2. Say fuck that to both of them because you're a poof and go buy a Ford Fairlane (Premiere) coz it already has 5 gears but offers nothing new and drives like a bitch?
While we are just making up random analogies, lets say that you bought a BMW 5 years ago and your livelihood depends on that BMW. At minimal cost the dealer gives you some upgrades to the car but Mercedes have been releasing new models that are faster and have more features (allowing you to get more done and make more money). You write to your BMW dealer and he writes back saying that he has some awesome jaw dropping upgrades coming for you BMW and calls you one day to say it has arrived. You go over and are shown a shiny new BMW-X but it is missing a door, an engine and a wheel, has no AC (there is no door so who needs it) but he assures you that at some point in the some of the missing future will come but it's cheaper and it has an X in the name so it has too be good. He also tells you that you can keep your current BMW (it will take some workarounds to make that happen) but they will no longer service it as of that moment. What would be the smart thing to do now? Answer must be in the form of another random analogy.
If you have "no idea" about Kona, then you have no idea what you're talking about regarding FCP.
And yes, FPC X "runs" on Lion. But it won't install on Lion.
Quit repeating "there's still FCP 7" like a retarded child. If Apple doesn't announce that it will continue to support it, it's dead.
Oh look, here's something from one of the Shake development team regarding Apple's position towards pro users:
http://digitalcomposting.wordpress.c...6/28/x-vs-pro/
Anyone looking for intelligent discussion of this issue should be somewhere like creativecow.
I guess that explains your reason for being here.
iFinal Cut '11.
Yes but the edit houses didn't have a 'known path' with regards to FCP7. And jumping ship to Avid or Premiere would be a far more drastic move than sitting tight with FCP7 and working with Apple to iron out the problems.
I wonder if FCPx gains the required feature set and works as well with peripherals as FCP7, or Avid, will the editor community accept it?
Trust is gone, one can't run a profitable business enterprise on faith, Apple has been EOL quite a few pro apps since 2006, starting with Shake, it was the top compositor in the industry, used on films like "The Lord of the Rings and King Kong, as well as Harry Potter movies also in use by CBS Digital for creating new visual effects for Star Trek Remastered.
Other major productions using Shake include the 2005 adaptation of War of the Worlds, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Fantastic Four, Mission Impossible 3, Poseidon, The Incredibles, Hulk, Doctor Who, The Dark Knight and Pirates of the Caribbean 2. what took it's place NUKE, which has a lot of Shakes development team working on it.
This industry can't depend on Apple or any vendor that supplies them tools today, but maybe not tomorrow, these were perfectly good small companies that were purchased for what end?... again multi million dollar films and commercials depend upon a useful and specific tool set to meet it's needs, Apple should just come clean on it's future intensions towards this market, support it or don't, why the dictates from on high as to how the industry should work to fit it's wider profit plans.
I don't see how the relationship can continue as it has prior to the last five years, profits are still to be made here for a clever hungry developer, price wont e so reasonable as that of a large company such as Apple, but back to an exclusive smaller set of end users like studios, networks and Title Houses, thus virtually the end of small easy start ups for independents, if cost of apps go back to that of say 15 years ago (sigh)