Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Once again you "only see part of the story". It wasn't "high margins" that "brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy" ...... it was high margins ... without having enough of a quality product line to warrant those high margins ..... that's just bad management ... something that obviously doesn't exist today, as the performance of Apple surely points out to anyone who cares to "open both eyes".
Now I'm going to ask you, oh wise one, a trick question .... if you ran a company and could choose to "lead in one category only", which would you choose .... market share or profits ..... think carefully .... ouch.
Hmmmm... Apple leads in both categories... largest smartphone manufacturer and leader in profits by a wide margin.
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
My arguments were listed in my first reply to you.
Apple is the largest smartphone maker and takes 2/3 of the industry profits. Like I said, the other smartphone makers wish they were Apple not the other way around.
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
Are you really not understanding how a product that is free to use by any manufacturer, without regard to performance quality, would hold a greater market share than a product whose quality is tightly controlled and not given freely to every Tom, Dick and Harry out there?
"Free" is always "more popular" than "not free" ..... and the *cough, quality, cough* of said product proves, once again, that "you only get what you pay for".
Once again you "only see part of the story". It wasn't "high margins" that "brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy" ...... it was high margins ... without having enough of a quality product line to warrant those high margins ..... that's just bad management ... something that obviously doesn't exist today, as the performance of Apple surely points out to anyone who cares to "open both eyes".
Yes, sure.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Seeing as how they didn't provide any methodology, I'll reserve judgment until someone presents some facts.
I think it's extremely unlikely that Android is outselling Apple nearly 3 to 1.
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Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Which is why you're filtering out the fact that Apple has been growing at double digit rates - in spite of the margins they charge. And the fact that even with attractive margins, no one else seems to be able to beat the iPad or MBA price point with a comparable device.
Are you really not understanding how a product that is free to use by any manufacturer, without regard to performance quality, would hold a greater market share than a product whose quality is tightly controlled and not given freely to every Tom, Dick and Harry out there?
"Free" is always "more popular" than "not free" ..... and the *cough, quality, cough* of said product proves, once again, that "you only get what you pay for".
Hey, don't blame me. Blame all the idiots who are not able to discern a pure gem from utter crap.
And indeed, Android is not operational. I've even heard that you cannot make a damn phone call with these phones. Really, these buyers are morrons.
BTW: Android is not free. I know that for a fact and maybe, even you know that.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
While clutching his knees to his chest and rocking back and forth in the corner he could be heard mumbling "Apple may be doing better than anyone else but they might still screw it up".
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
By making even less profit then they did before. Apple went from barely 1/2 the industry profits to early 2/3. Motorolla is losing money, how long do you suppose that is sustainable?
While clutching his knees to his chest and rocking back and forth in the corner he could be heard mumbling "Apple may be doing better than anyone else but they might still screw it up".
By making even less profit then they did before. Apple went from barely 1/2 the industry profits to early 2/3. Motorolla is losing money, how long do you suppose that is sustainable?
It would be nearly impossible for Apple and the iPhone to do any better, they sell as fast as they can be made. My argument has been obvious from the start. Apple is in the catbird seat.
The iPhone is over 50% of iOS device sales so even if you add all the iOS devices together Android would still be ahead although not by nearly as much..
The last quarter shows the iPhone being less than 50% of their unit sales.
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Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
That's not true.
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I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Yes… yes you do.
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When was the day the Apple-is-always-the-best-no-questions-asked-fans told that Android would
1) Never catch on and then (3 years ago)
2) Never catch up and then (2 years ago)
3) Never surpass Apple (1 year ago)
No reasonable people said that. The majority suggested that a modern mobile OS open to all vendors would dominate the market. What is amazing is how poorly designed Android is that all the vendors using Android as an OS can't even topple Apple's position in the market.
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IFor the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
No, no it's not. Apple's marketshare in units and profits are growing, not shrinking.
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Ever heard of tunnel vision?
Yes. See cgrisar's posts for examples.
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Well, just before they went broke, they had the largest margins and they were one of the largest PC-makers as well.
They didn't go broke. They still have the largest margins and take in 2/3 of the PC industries profits from Macs, 2/3 from the handset industry, and are probably over 90% for the tablet industry. Yet despite this they are growing their company and increasing their position even though you claim that are some how faltering. That facts don't back up anything you've stated.
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Again, don't blame me, I have an iPhone, an iMac, an iPad. Talk to the people who don't understand they bought crap.
WTF is with the people who think that saying "Apple is crap, I should know I buy all their shit" is a reasonable or sane argument?
PS: Can you name one smartphone that has sold more units than the iPhone 4.
Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
A disjointed product line with extremely poor differentiation without anything being class leading to justify a higher profit margin brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy. I guess we remember only what we want to remember.
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Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Once again you "only see part of the story". It wasn't "high margins" that "brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy" ...... it was high margins ... without having enough of a quality product line to warrant those high margins ..... that's just bad management ... something that obviously doesn't exist today, as the performance of Apple surely points out to anyone who cares to "open both eyes".
One might say that Android's story, a full year behind Apple, is even more impressive.
When was the day the Apple-is-always-the-best-no-questions-asked-fans told that Android would
1) Never catch on and then (3 years ago)
2) Never catch up and then (2 years ago)
3) Never surpass Apple (1 year ago)
And yet all over the news, business, blogs it's apple that often gets the accolades. That's got to sting.
I'm sorry, what are your arguments?
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
So how did instantly selling all your Apple stock as soon as the "Antenna-gate" story broke work out for you, again?
Now I'm going to ask you, oh wise one, a trick question .... if you ran a company and could choose to "lead in one category only", which would you choose .... market share or profits ..... think carefully .... ouch.
Hmmmm... Apple leads in both categories... largest smartphone manufacturer and leader in profits by a wide margin.
Next question...
I'm sorry, what are your arguments?
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
My arguments were listed in my first reply to you.
Apple is the largest smartphone maker and takes 2/3 of the industry profits. Like I said, the other smartphone makers wish they were Apple not the other way around.
So how did instantly selling all your Apple stock as soon as the "Antenna-gate" story broke work out for you, again?
He/she (cgrisar) actually believes he/she sounds intelligent.
My ignore list is getting longer...
I'm sorry, what are your arguments?
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
Are you really not understanding how a product that is free to use by any manufacturer, without regard to performance quality, would hold a greater market share than a product whose quality is tightly controlled and not given freely to every Tom, Dick and Harry out there?
"Free" is always "more popular" than "not free" ..... and the *cough, quality, cough* of said product proves, once again, that "you only get what you pay for".
Once again you "only see part of the story". It wasn't "high margins" that "brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy" ...... it was high margins ... without having enough of a quality product line to warrant those high margins ..... that's just bad management ... something that obviously doesn't exist today, as the performance of Apple surely points out to anyone who cares to "open both eyes".
Yes, sure.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
Yes, sure.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
Well I'm positive you have.
A full 30% behind? Ouch!
Seeing as how they didn't provide any methodology, I'll reserve judgment until someone presents some facts.
I think it's extremely unlikely that Android is outselling Apple nearly 3 to 1.
Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Which is why you're filtering out the fact that Apple has been growing at double digit rates - in spite of the margins they charge. And the fact that even with attractive margins, no one else seems to be able to beat the iPad or MBA price point with a comparable device.
Are you really not understanding how a product that is free to use by any manufacturer, without regard to performance quality, would hold a greater market share than a product whose quality is tightly controlled and not given freely to every Tom, Dick and Harry out there?
"Free" is always "more popular" than "not free" ..... and the *cough, quality, cough* of said product proves, once again, that "you only get what you pay for".
Hey, don't blame me. Blame all the idiots who are not able to discern a pure gem from utter crap.
And indeed, Android is not operational. I've even heard that you cannot make a damn phone call with these phones. Really, these buyers are morrons.
BTW: Android is not free. I know that for a fact and maybe, even you know that.
Yes, sure.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
While clutching his knees to his chest and rocking back and forth in the corner he could be heard mumbling "Apple may be doing better than anyone else but they might still screw it up".
Hmmmm... Apple leads in both categories... largest smartphone manufacturer and leader in profits by a wide margin.
Next question...
Well, just before they went broke, they had the largest margins and they were one of the largest PC-makers as well.
Will we see another ballgame?
Or will history repeat itself?
Again, don't blame me, I have an iPhone, an iMac, an iPad. Talk to the people who don't understand they bought crap.
I'm sorry, what are your arguments?
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
By making even less profit then they did before. Apple went from barely 1/2 the industry profits to early 2/3. Motorolla is losing money, how long do you suppose that is sustainable?
While clutching his knees to his chest and rocking back and forth in the corner he could be heard mumbling "Apple may be doing better than anyone else but they might still screw it up".
I guess that must be another argument
By making even less profit then they did before. Apple went from barely 1/2 the industry profits to early 2/3. Motorolla is losing money, how long do you suppose that is sustainable?
I don't know! Do you?
I guess that must be another argument
It would be nearly impossible for Apple and the iPhone to do any better, they sell as fast as they can be made. My argument has been obvious from the start. Apple is in the catbird seat.
Well, just before they went broke, they had the largest margins and they were one of the largest PC-makers as well.
They never went broke .... but nice try.
The iPhone is over 50% of iOS device sales so even if you add all the iOS devices together Android would still be ahead although not by nearly as much..
The last quarter shows the iPhone being less than 50% of their unit sales.
Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
That's not true.
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
Yes… yes you do.
When was the day the Apple-is-always-the-best-no-questions-asked-fans told that Android would
1) Never catch on and then (3 years ago)
2) Never catch up and then (2 years ago)
3) Never surpass Apple (1 year ago)
No reasonable people said that. The majority suggested that a modern mobile OS open to all vendors would dominate the market. What is amazing is how poorly designed Android is that all the vendors using Android as an OS can't even topple Apple's position in the market.
IFor the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
No, no it's not. Apple's marketshare in units and profits are growing, not shrinking.
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
Yes. See cgrisar's posts for examples.
Well, just before they went broke, they had the largest margins and they were one of the largest PC-makers as well.
They didn't go broke. They still have the largest margins and take in 2/3 of the PC industries profits from Macs, 2/3 from the handset industry, and are probably over 90% for the tablet industry. Yet despite this they are growing their company and increasing their position even though you claim that are some how faltering. That facts don't back up anything you've stated.
Again, don't blame me, I have an iPhone, an iMac, an iPad. Talk to the people who don't understand they bought crap.
WTF is with the people who think that saying "Apple is crap, I should know I buy all their shit" is a reasonable or sane argument?
PS: Can you name one smartphone that has sold more units than the iPhone 4.
Well, high margins brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy, not?
I guess it's true,,, we filter out what we don't want to see.
A disjointed product line with extremely poor differentiation without anything being class leading to justify a higher profit margin brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy. I guess we remember only what we want to remember.