One might say that Android's story, a full year behind Apple, is even more impressive.
When was the day the Apple-is-always-the-best-no-questions-asked-fans told that Android would
1) Never catch on and then (3 years ago)
2) Never catch up and then (2 years ago)
3) Never surpass Apple (1 year ago)
Only how an Android fandroid would remember things. Most sites assumed Apple would never ever end up with majority market share and some integrated platform would end up with a larger profit share. But the products would be a race to the bottom with little to no profit.
Even now, I want to know where all these supposed Android handsets are. They are not represented in app downloads. They are not represented in web traffic. They are not represented in use in WiFi nets. There is an amazing amount of "non-use" of all these Android handsets.
A disjointed product line with extremely poor differentiation without anything being class leading to justify a higher profit margin brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy. I guess we remember only what we want to remember.
How do you call a situation when you're in debt, no reserves in capital and burning cash?
Hey, fine by me. If you want me to say they never went broke, here you have it: They never "went broke".
Again, I'm perfectly OK with it. I made my point, whilst you, euh, well you didn't.
They were so broke the couldn't buy NeXT. Oh wait, the opposite of that.
Being near bankruptcy and being broke are not the same thing. You think they are the she thing but you also think that all flavors of Android are the same thing so it's not like you are good at sweating the details.
The last quarter shows the iPhone being less than 50% of their unit sales.
That's not true.
Yes? yes you do.
No reasonable people said that. The majority suggested that a modern mobile OS open to all vendors would dominate the market. What is amazing is how poorly designed Android is that all the vendors using Android as an OS can't even topple Apple's position in the market.
No, no it's not. Apple's marketshare in units and profits are growing, not shrinking.
Yes. See cgrisar's posts for examples.
They didn't go broke. They still have the largest margins and take in 2/3 of the PC industries profits from Macs, 2/3 from the handset industry, and are probably over 90% for the tablet industry. Yet despite this they are growing their company and increasing their position even though you claim that are some how faltering. That facts don't back up anything you've stated.
WTF is with the people who think that saying "Apple is crap, I should know I buy all their shit" is a reasonable or sane argument?
PS: Can you name one smartphone that has sold more units than the iPhone 4.
I'm sorry, did you actually mean anything or is it just you saying black when I'm saying white and vica-versa?
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
"... never able to sell a single box"???
Ever hear of out lying? You sem to have that one down.
Only how an Android fandroid would remember things. Most sites assumed Apple would never ever end up with majority market share and some integrated platform would end up with a larger profit share. But the products would be a race to the bottom with little to no profit.
Even now, I want to know where all these supposed Android handsets are. They are not represented in app downloads. They are not represented in web traffic. They are not represented in use in WiFi nets. There is an amazing amount of "non-use" of all these Android handsets.
So they could keep up the current losses for several quarters. Trouble is, once you go in the red, the carriers descend on you like a pack of rabid hounds from the gates of hades. To get favorable marketing placement, you have to give more and more concessions. This drives you further into the red.
In fact, Next was a hugely profitable company thanks to it's high margins warranted by a superior quality of the products they made.
Or three? More lies or extreme hyperbola? The NeXT cubes and pizza boxes were huge success stories mostly due to very high prices. But if they only sold 3, I had 300% of all their production at one point in time.
Darn that NeXT Dimension was a sweet box at the time.
Or three? More lies or extreme hyperbola? The NeXT cubes and pizza boxes were huge success stories mostly due to very high prices. But if they only sold 3, I had 300% of all their production at one point in time.
Darn that NeXT Dimension was a sweet box at the time.
Oh snap.
Again, Next was a hugely profitable company thanks to the high margins warranted by the high quality of its products.
Perhaps they are but I don't think so. All I know is FB is one of the few sites that shows parity on access between iOS and Android and even then, there are more iPhones accessing FB accounts than Android. iOS will rocket ahead once FB makes the iPad app public.
I would expect much higher Android web usage statistics than what is out there (Android accounts for about 65%-75% less traffic compared to iOS on most major analytic sites) than what is being reported. Is it a result of use patterns? Demographics? Poor analysts figures? User Agent spoofing?
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They never went broke .... but nice try.
How do you call a situation when you're in debt, no reserves in capital and burning cash?
Hey, fine by me. If you want me to say they never went broke, here you have it: They never "went broke".
Again, I'm perfectly OK with it. I made my point, whilst you, euh, well you didn't.
One might say that Android's story, a full year behind Apple, is even more impressive.
When was the day the Apple-is-always-the-best-no-questions-asked-fans told that Android would
1) Never catch on and then (3 years ago)
2) Never catch up and then (2 years ago)
3) Never surpass Apple (1 year ago)
Only how an Android fandroid would remember things. Most sites assumed Apple would never ever end up with majority market share and some integrated platform would end up with a larger profit share. But the products would be a race to the bottom with little to no profit.
Even now, I want to know where all these supposed Android handsets are. They are not represented in app downloads. They are not represented in web traffic. They are not represented in use in WiFi nets. There is an amazing amount of "non-use" of all these Android handsets.
How is this not true?
How do you call a situation when you're in debt, no reserves in capital and burning cash?
Hey, fine by me. If you want me to say they never went broke, here you have it: They never "went broke".
Again, I'm perfectly OK with it. I made my point, whilst you, euh, well you didn't.
Is there anyone here who thinks cgrisar made a point? Maybe someone else can explain it to me. Go slow, I'm no rocket surgeon.
A disjointed product line with extremely poor differentiation without anything being class leading to justify a higher profit margin brought Apple to the brink of bankruptcy. I guess we remember only what we want to remember.
Exactly
How do you call a situation when you're in debt, no reserves in capital and burning cash?
Hey, fine by me. If you want me to say they never went broke, here you have it: They never "went broke".
Again, I'm perfectly OK with it. I made my point, whilst you, euh, well you didn't.
They were so broke the couldn't buy NeXT. Oh wait, the opposite of that.
Being near bankruptcy and being broke are not the same thing. You think they are the she thing but you also think that all flavors of Android are the same thing so it's not like you are good at sweating the details.
I'm sorry, what are your arguments?
Do you really believe no-one is concerned about this figures at Apple?
For the first time, Android is eating up Apple's market share.
And Android keeps loosing profit and sales share hand over fist to Apple. Only a novice looks at a single value as a measurement of success.
The last quarter shows the iPhone being less than 50% of their unit sales.
That's not true.
Yes? yes you do.
No reasonable people said that. The majority suggested that a modern mobile OS open to all vendors would dominate the market. What is amazing is how poorly designed Android is that all the vendors using Android as an OS can't even topple Apple's position in the market.
No, no it's not. Apple's marketshare in units and profits are growing, not shrinking.
Yes. See cgrisar's posts for examples.
They didn't go broke. They still have the largest margins and take in 2/3 of the PC industries profits from Macs, 2/3 from the handset industry, and are probably over 90% for the tablet industry. Yet despite this they are growing their company and increasing their position even though you claim that are some how faltering. That facts don't back up anything you've stated.
WTF is with the people who think that saying "Apple is crap, I should know I buy all their shit" is a reasonable or sane argument?
PS: Can you name one smartphone that has sold more units than the iPhone 4.
I'm sorry, did you actually mean anything or is it just you saying black when I'm saying white and vica-versa?
Yes, sure.
A bit like Next who warranted that quality but was never able to sell a single box because of it's price point. And surely, let's just forget about the fact that customers could easily switch between manufacturers thanks to an open system (though not necessarily as good as the closed system).
Ever heard of tunnel vision?
"... never able to sell a single box"???
Ever hear of out lying? You sem to have that one down.
Only how an Android fandroid would remember things. Most sites assumed Apple would never ever end up with majority market share and some integrated platform would end up with a larger profit share. But the products would be a race to the bottom with little to no profit.
Even now, I want to know where all these supposed Android handsets are. They are not represented in app downloads. They are not represented in web traffic. They are not represented in use in WiFi nets. There is an amazing amount of "non-use" of all these Android handsets.
How is this not true?
Hey they are all piled up in the racks.
No-one buys them! Who'd buy crap anyway?
And Android keeps loosing profit and sales share hand over fist to Apple. Only a novice looks at a single value as a measurement of success.
"Sales share" is "market share" or it is another thing?
"... never able to sell a single box"???
Ever hear of out lying? You sem to have that one down.
OK, OK They sold a box or two, maybe three.
In fact, Next was a hugely profitable company thanks to it's high margins warranted by a superior quality of the products they made.
I don't know! Do you?
So they could keep up the current losses for several quarters. Trouble is, once you go in the red, the carriers descend on you like a pack of rabid hounds from the gates of hades. To get favorable marketing placement, you have to give more and more concessions. This drives you further into the red.
OK, OK They sold a box or two, maybe three.
In fact, Next was a hugely profitable company thanks to it's high margins warranted by a superior quality of the products they made.
Or three? More lies or extreme hyperbola? The NeXT cubes and pizza boxes were huge success stories mostly due to very high prices. But if they only sold 3, I had 300% of all their production at one point in time.
Darn that NeXT Dimension was a sweet box at the time.
Oh snap.
I'm sorry, did you actually mean anything or is it just you saying black when I'm saying white and vica-versa?
If you have a point that hasn't been disproven already I'd like to hear it.
And Android keeps loosing profit and sales share hand over fist to Apple. Only a novice looks at a single value as a measurement of success.
Was Android ever meant to be profitable?
Were iTunes Store and the App Store (TM) ever meant to be profitable?
I'm sorry, did you actually mean anything or is it just you saying black when I'm saying white and vica-versa?
That's your in-depth defense of your position? And here I thought you may actually try to concoct a decent argument for once.
Or three? More lies or extreme hyperbola? The NeXT cubes and pizza boxes were huge success stories mostly due to very high prices. But if they only sold 3, I had 300% of all their production at one point in time.
Darn that NeXT Dimension was a sweet box at the time.
Oh snap.
Again, Next was a hugely profitable company thanks to the high margins warranted by the high quality of its products.
Hey they are all piled up in the racks.
No-one buys them! Who'd buy crap anyway?
Perhaps they are but I don't think so. All I know is FB is one of the few sites that shows parity on access between iOS and Android and even then, there are more iPhones accessing FB accounts than Android. iOS will rocket ahead once FB makes the iPad app public.
I would expect much higher Android web usage statistics than what is out there (Android accounts for about 65%-75% less traffic compared to iOS on most major analytic sites) than what is being reported. Is it a result of use patterns? Demographics? Poor analysts figures? User Agent spoofing?
That's your in-depth defense of your position? And here I thought you may actually try to concoct a decent argument for once.
He doesn't have any position
Was Android ever meant to be profitable?
Were iTunes Store and the App Store (TM) ever meant to be profitable?
If android was never intended to be profitable the handset makers that use it sure got screwed.