Apple have been backstabbed now from many companies.
1) MSFT hail MacOS as the only operating system they want to use. Then they use mac prototypes to clone Windows.
2) Google is in Apples boardroom. Sees iPhone prototypes and clones it.
3) Apple pays Samsung 1 billion dollar in 2005 to get Samsung NAND FLASH unit of the ground. Apple use Samsung memory and their production lines to produce the ARM processors in iOS devices. Samsung back stabs Apple and release products with many of the same components that they deliver to Apple.
4) FoxConn. In the morning they do Apple stuff. Afternoon Dell stuff and during the night pirated version of the above stuff.
I wish Apple could use some of its money and start to manufacture some of it own stuff.
Buy Nokia. It is cheap and have great factories. (one of the reason why Nokia could do insane profits with mobile phones ASP of a bit over 100 dollars)
Gz, yet another error strewn post - you're definitely keeping the average nice and high.
1) Was there ever a time that MSFT was entirely a Mac software firm? No. MS didn't get serious about Apple development until the mid 80s, when it was already making most of its money from MS-DOS. The idea that it was ever devoted to Mac OS is ludicrous.
2) Google was working on phones as far back as 2005. Apple knew this and so Schmidt recused himself from board meetings in which the iPhone was discussed. Schmidt stayed on the board until long after Android launched. If Schmidt had broken an NDA Apple could have sued him personally and caused tremendous grief for Google - they didn't, likely because they know he didn't.
3) Samsung's component business and Samsung's consumer business have little to do with each other, as people have said over and over - big conglomerates aren't run the way that Apple is run.
4) Foxconn is an incredibly highly valued partner of Apple. Tim Cook has referred to the relationship as part of the 'secret sauce' that has allowed Apple to do so well in the modern hardware environment. Apple clearly doesn't feel betrayed by Foxconn in any way shape or form.
The only problem I see is you still have 4x the pixels to push out the frame buffer even if you're rendering the 3D at half the native resolution. But if it can do that without modified silicon, it might still be 2x as fast as the original iPad.
The pixel doubling at least seems to be built into the graphics hardware already, so in 2x mode the frame buffer would still be operating as if it were driving a 1024 x 768 panel. Consider the iPad 1... If you run a graphically-intensive iPhone app on the iPad 1 and hit the "2x" button, the frame rate doesn't drop. It's doing the same thing, and also by a factor of 4. Further evidence that this is happening in hardware is that 2x mode on current iPads doesn't render fonts in the higher native resolution, but instead in pixel-doubled iPhone resolution. If the doubling were happening in software, it'd be a no-brainer to render the fonts in native resolution to make running iPhone apps on the iPad at least a little more palatable. However, with the doubling done in hardware, it would be impossible. I'm not saying I'm certain, but it seems to be pretty compelling evidence to me.
Apple have been backstabbed now from many companies.
1) MSFT hail MacOS as the only operating system they want to use. Then they use mac prototypes to clone Windows.
Woz said that Apple traded the rights to a GUI system for the rights to Microsoft's Basic.
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2) Google is in Apples boardroom. Sees iPhone prototypes and clones it.
Except that Apple neglected to kick Eric off the board for years, and they said Eric was recused when the iPhone came up for discussion.
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3) Apple pays Samsung 1 billion dollar in 2005 to get Samsung NAND FLASH unit of the ground. Apple use Samsung memory and their production lines to produce the ARM processors in iOS devices. Samsung back stabs Apple and release products with many of the same components that they deliver to Apple.
Apple probably got exclusivity for a year or two. After that, Samsung can sell to anyone. Much like how Apple paid LG to build the factory that makes the 30" monitors, got exclusivity on those panels for a year or so, then other companies can buy them.
Do you have any proof that Samsung is using Apple's chip design?
Not this iPad 2 Plus Pro Super Ultra thing again. What's the motivation for Apple? Fragment iPad 2 market? The bigger screen would have to have twice the resolution of iPad 2 to work in the Apple Way?. Does the A5 have enough graphics bandwidth to even draw that screen at the silky smooth 60fps Apple requires?
But this reeks of fanboy wishful thinking more than anything. (I'm one of them. yes, it would be cool. But it makes no business sense whatsoever ? at least the way Apple does things.)
The pixel doubling at least seems to be built into the graphics hardware already, so in 2x mode the frame buffer would still be operating as if it were driving a 1024 x 768 panel. Consider the iPad 1... If you run a graphically-intensive iPhone app on the iPad 1 and hit the "2x" button, the frame rate doesn't drop. It's doing the same thing, and also by a factor of 4. Further evidence that this is happening in hardware is that 2x mode on current iPads doesn't render fonts in the higher native resolution, but instead in pixel-doubled iPhone resolution. If the doubling were happening in software, it'd be a no-brainer to render the fonts in native resolution to make running iPhone apps on the iPad at least a little more palatable. However, with the doubling done in hardware, it would be impossible. I'm not saying I'm certain, but it seems to be pretty compelling evidence to me.
It's only around double the pixel count on the iPad as the iP-4 and an utterly different aspect ratio, 960x640 to 1024x1280, so presumably iPad 2X mode is actually rather different from retina doubling. A better example would be how the iP-4 handled software written for the 3GS.
Not this iPad 2 Plus Pro Super Ultra thing again. What's the motivation for Apple? Fragment iPad 2 market? The bigger screen would have to have twice the resolution of iPad 2 to work in the Apple Way?. Does the A5 have enough graphics bandwidth to even draw that screen at the silky smooth 60fps Apple requires?
But this reeks of fanboy wishful thinking more than anything. (I'm one of them. yes, it would be cool. But it makes no business sense whatsoever ? at least the way Apple does things.)
Apple claims the A5 has a GPU that is nine times more powerful than the A4. The problem isn't the SoC, the problem is availability of the displays. If Apple can get HiDPI 10inch displays then it has no reason not to use them.
Ha. I know this is still a rumor, but I called this a long time ago! However, everyone wanted to believe the IP5 would be out in June of this year! Apple doesn't rush new hardware onto the market until there's new software that the old hardware just can't handle properly. I bet IP5 won't be out until mid next year. iPad 3 could be an xmas launch, but we'll see.
Ha. I know this is still a rumor, but I called this a long time ago! However, everyone wanted to believe the IP5 would be out in June of this year! Apple doesn't rush new hardware onto the market until there's new software that the old hardware just can't handle properly. I bet IP5 won't be out until mid next year. iPad 3 could be an xmas launch, but we'll see.
iPhone-4 will be able to support iOS 5 just fine. Last year's MBP supports Lion just fine. Apple doesn't hold back hardware just because there's no OS that would tax it. Apple releases hardware when it's ready, they release software when it's ready. Ideally they release them together, but not always.
When you consider that the iPhone 4 is almost 15 months old the next iPhone had better not be an iPhone 4S!
It will be, because the majority of folks aren't going to pay the added costs to buy in mid contract so the audience is really the 3GS buyers.
That said they are calling it the iPhone 5
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Originally Posted by NextTechnocrati
I will go with Mango once it releases. Just got tired of this "Sept-Oct-4S-i5" thing. Apple should realize that IPhone fans have been waiting too long and may not put up with this guessing game anymore. This guessing hype is getting old and counter-productive. Give us a date or else.....
Most folks have no issue with waiting. They figure the delay is due to the eartquake or such an they just roll with it. They will be there to buy whe it happens
So you go on and walk, Apple won't notice you leaving cause they will be too busy with the hundreds of jazillions of folks that stuck around.
Ha. I know this is still a rumor, but I called this a long time ago! However, everyone wanted to believe the IP5 would be out in June of this year! Apple doesn't rush new hardware onto the market until there's new software that the old hardware just can't handle properly. I bet IP5 won't be out until mid next year. iPad 3 could be an xmas launch, but we'll see.
iOS 5 is supported on all iPads and all iPhones after iP3G -- the iP3GS and the iP4:
No, no. It's not AppleInsider's fault. They're just reporting everything, which is better than selectively not posting crap (even if everyone probably thinks isn't true). WE are the legitimacy filter, not AppleInsider.
They're basically the only unbiased news source left. Look at it that way.
Maybe a little more curation would be warranted.
Posting ALL crap is not better than selectively posting crap, BTW. It's still crap.
The roughly translated report also mentions an "iPhone 5" as well, with the author noting that he has "not found any information" about such hardware. The comment could be interpreted to suggest that an iPhone 4S, based off of the current iPhone 4, might be sold in addition to a proper fifth-generation iPhone.
Alternate translation: The writer hasn't found any info about the iPhone 5 hardware because the iPhone 5 is what he thinks is the 4s and he's merely bought into the rumors that there would be both.
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Originally Posted by MacDevil
If the next iPhone only turns out to be a processor and RAM upgrade, I think this would be a huge disappointment for both consumers and investors.
No, YOU would be disappointed. Because you feel that the only worthy updates are those that rewrite what it means to be a smartphone every time. 99.99% of consumers would disagree, in part because they don't buy a new phone every year. So they are coming from a 3gs not a 4 and even a 4s would be a huge improvement for them. And they will buy it even if it is just a little more ram and a slightly better camera and the high sales will make the investors very happy
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Apple has not released a new handset in well over a year
Where's the law that says they can't deviate from a strict 12 month cycle. No where. Get over it
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and I think it would signal a huge problem with their design team if the best they could come up with in that time was a minor speed bump.
To you maybe but not to the other 99.99% of folks who get that sometimes the best improvements come from better software rather than putting in a 20MP camera, an i7 processor, a 500 dpi screen, NFC and 4g that has little to no actual carrier support in most of the country much less the world and whatever other geek wanks you think simply must be in this next phone or it is a failure
alternate translation: The writer hasn't found any info about the iphone 5 hardware because the iphone 5 is what he thinks is the 4s and he's merely bought into the rumors that there would be both.
No, you would be disappointed. Because you feel that the only worthy updates are those that rewrite what it means to be a smartphone every time. 99.99% of consumers would disagree, in part because they don't buy a new phone every year. So they are coming from a 3gs not a 4 and even a 4s would be a huge improvement for them. And they will buy it even if it is just a little more ram and a slightly better camera and the high sales will make the investors very happy
where's the law that says they can't deviate from a strict 12 month cycle. No where. Get over it
to you maybe but not to the other 99.99% of folks who get that sometimes the best improvements come from better software rather than putting in a 20mp camera, an i7 processor, a 500 dpi screen, nfc and 4g that has little to no actual carrier support in most of the country much less the world and whatever other geek wanks you think simply must be in this next phone or it is a failure
Most folks have no issue with waiting. They figure the delay is due to the eartquake or such an they just roll with it. They will be there to buy whe it happens
So you go on and walk, Apple won't notice you leaving cause they will be too busy with the hundreds of jazillions of folks that stuck around.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
And we see how successful all the competitors have been in the mobile space......
Apple has a perfectly valid strategy which has proven to be quite successful. They've shown that there are plenty of customers who are NOT looking for the latest, shiniest gimmick. It is also clear that Apple is not resting on its laurels as you are alleging. "iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet"? Bull. The next version of the iPhone is certainly well into the testing stage by now and based on product development cycles, they almost certainly have prototypes of the following version. They probably even have concepts for the version after that.
But feel free to explain to us how your marketing and product development experience is such that we should listen to you telling Apple what to do.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
And we see how successful all the competitors have been in the mobile space......
Apple has a perfectly valid strategy which has proven to be quite successful. They've shown that there are plenty of customers who are NOT looking for the latest, shiniest gimmick. It is also clear that Apple is not resting on its laurels as you are alleging. "iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet"? Bull. The next version of the iPhone is certainly well into the testing stage by now and based on product development cycles, they almost certainly have prototypes of the following version. They probably even have concepts for the version after that.
But feel free to explain to us how your marketing and product development experience is such that we should listen to you telling Apple what to do.
@jragosta is right! Add to that Apple's timing and their canny ability to get the competition to play their high card... then trump it.,,, GalaxyTab, PlayBook, Xoom come to mind.
I suspect that Apple always has several new versions of all their existing products in various stages of development -- and depending on opportunity/necessity can announce/release a follow-on product at almost any time. Apple has repeatedly demonstrated that they can announce that they are going to change the world in 6 months (or less) and deliver on that promise.
Everyone else just shoots their wad by announcing early and never delivering... or worse, delivering last week's lunch.
That's why we wait on Apple...
Edit: It is also very comforting to Apple customers to know that they will get a product that will last (and be competitive) for a reasonable lifetime -- rather than become obsolete on the drive home from the store. That's because Apple concentrates on what's meaningful -- and eliminates all the cruft (bells and whistles).
I suspect that Apple always has several new versions of all their existing products in various stages of development
I would be shocked if they didn't. Doubly so given how much Jobs has talked about looking to the future.
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-- and depending on opportunity/necessity can announce/release a follow-on product at almost any time.
It's probably more realistic to say that they go by their own schedule. I don't know how effective it would be for them to expedite their schedule, bringing their deadline forward a few months, too many things need to come together in a way that needs to be planned months in advance. I don't think they'd sit on several million units of inventory for months to get the ability to announce at a moment's notice.
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Apple have been backstabbed now from many companies.
1) MSFT hail MacOS as the only operating system they want to use. Then they use mac prototypes to clone Windows.
2) Google is in Apples boardroom. Sees iPhone prototypes and clones it.
3) Apple pays Samsung 1 billion dollar in 2005 to get Samsung NAND FLASH unit of the ground. Apple use Samsung memory and their production lines to produce the ARM processors in iOS devices. Samsung back stabs Apple and release products with many of the same components that they deliver to Apple.
4) FoxConn. In the morning they do Apple stuff. Afternoon Dell stuff and during the night pirated version of the above stuff.
I wish Apple could use some of its money and start to manufacture some of it own stuff.
Buy Nokia. It is cheap and have great factories. (one of the reason why Nokia could do insane profits with mobile phones ASP of a bit over 100 dollars)
Gz, yet another error strewn post - you're definitely keeping the average nice and high.
1) Was there ever a time that MSFT was entirely a Mac software firm? No. MS didn't get serious about Apple development until the mid 80s, when it was already making most of its money from MS-DOS. The idea that it was ever devoted to Mac OS is ludicrous.
2) Google was working on phones as far back as 2005. Apple knew this and so Schmidt recused himself from board meetings in which the iPhone was discussed. Schmidt stayed on the board until long after Android launched. If Schmidt had broken an NDA Apple could have sued him personally and caused tremendous grief for Google - they didn't, likely because they know he didn't.
3) Samsung's component business and Samsung's consumer business have little to do with each other, as people have said over and over - big conglomerates aren't run the way that Apple is run.
4) Foxconn is an incredibly highly valued partner of Apple. Tim Cook has referred to the relationship as part of the 'secret sauce' that has allowed Apple to do so well in the modern hardware environment. Apple clearly doesn't feel betrayed by Foxconn in any way shape or form.
The only problem I see is you still have 4x the pixels to push out the frame buffer even if you're rendering the 3D at half the native resolution. But if it can do that without modified silicon, it might still be 2x as fast as the original iPad.
The pixel doubling at least seems to be built into the graphics hardware already, so in 2x mode the frame buffer would still be operating as if it were driving a 1024 x 768 panel. Consider the iPad 1... If you run a graphically-intensive iPhone app on the iPad 1 and hit the "2x" button, the frame rate doesn't drop. It's doing the same thing, and also by a factor of 4. Further evidence that this is happening in hardware is that 2x mode on current iPads doesn't render fonts in the higher native resolution, but instead in pixel-doubled iPhone resolution. If the doubling were happening in software, it'd be a no-brainer to render the fonts in native resolution to make running iPhone apps on the iPad at least a little more palatable. However, with the doubling done in hardware, it would be impossible. I'm not saying I'm certain, but it seems to be pretty compelling evidence to me.
Wouldn't extinguish Pentile conflagration with penile evacuation.
lol
Apple have been backstabbed now from many companies.
1) MSFT hail MacOS as the only operating system they want to use. Then they use mac prototypes to clone Windows.
Woz said that Apple traded the rights to a GUI system for the rights to Microsoft's Basic.
2) Google is in Apples boardroom. Sees iPhone prototypes and clones it.
Except that Apple neglected to kick Eric off the board for years, and they said Eric was recused when the iPhone came up for discussion.
3) Apple pays Samsung 1 billion dollar in 2005 to get Samsung NAND FLASH unit of the ground. Apple use Samsung memory and their production lines to produce the ARM processors in iOS devices. Samsung back stabs Apple and release products with many of the same components that they deliver to Apple.
Apple probably got exclusivity for a year or two. After that, Samsung can sell to anyone. Much like how Apple paid LG to build the factory that makes the 30" monitors, got exclusivity on those panels for a year or so, then other companies can buy them.
Do you have any proof that Samsung is using Apple's chip design?
But this reeks of fanboy wishful thinking more than anything. (I'm one of them. yes, it would be cool. But it makes no business sense whatsoever ? at least the way Apple does things.)
The pixel doubling at least seems to be built into the graphics hardware already, so in 2x mode the frame buffer would still be operating as if it were driving a 1024 x 768 panel. Consider the iPad 1... If you run a graphically-intensive iPhone app on the iPad 1 and hit the "2x" button, the frame rate doesn't drop. It's doing the same thing, and also by a factor of 4. Further evidence that this is happening in hardware is that 2x mode on current iPads doesn't render fonts in the higher native resolution, but instead in pixel-doubled iPhone resolution. If the doubling were happening in software, it'd be a no-brainer to render the fonts in native resolution to make running iPhone apps on the iPad at least a little more palatable. However, with the doubling done in hardware, it would be impossible. I'm not saying I'm certain, but it seems to be pretty compelling evidence to me.
It's only around double the pixel count on the iPad as the iP-4 and an utterly different aspect ratio, 960x640 to 1024x1280, so presumably iPad 2X mode is actually rather different from retina doubling. A better example would be how the iP-4 handled software written for the 3GS.
Not this iPad 2 Plus Pro Super Ultra thing again. What's the motivation for Apple? Fragment iPad 2 market? The bigger screen would have to have twice the resolution of iPad 2 to work in the Apple Way?. Does the A5 have enough graphics bandwidth to even draw that screen at the silky smooth 60fps Apple requires?
But this reeks of fanboy wishful thinking more than anything. (I'm one of them. yes, it would be cool. But it makes no business sense whatsoever ? at least the way Apple does things.)
Apple claims the A5 has a GPU that is nine times more powerful than the A4. The problem isn't the SoC, the problem is availability of the displays. If Apple can get HiDPI 10inch displays then it has no reason not to use them.
Ha. I know this is still a rumor, but I called this a long time ago! However, everyone wanted to believe the IP5 would be out in June of this year! Apple doesn't rush new hardware onto the market until there's new software that the old hardware just can't handle properly. I bet IP5 won't be out until mid next year. iPad 3 could be an xmas launch, but we'll see.
iPhone-4 will be able to support iOS 5 just fine. Last year's MBP supports Lion just fine. Apple doesn't hold back hardware just because there's no OS that would tax it. Apple releases hardware when it's ready, they release software when it's ready. Ideally they release them together, but not always.
When you consider that the iPhone 4 is almost 15 months old the next iPhone had better not be an iPhone 4S!
It will be, because the majority of folks aren't going to pay the added costs to buy in mid contract so the audience is really the 3GS buyers.
That said they are calling it the iPhone 5
I will go with Mango once it releases. Just got tired of this "Sept-Oct-4S-i5" thing. Apple should realize that IPhone fans have been waiting too long and may not put up with this guessing game anymore. This guessing hype is getting old and counter-productive. Give us a date or else.....
Most folks have no issue with waiting. They figure the delay is due to the eartquake or such an they just roll with it. They will be there to buy whe it happens
So you go on and walk, Apple won't notice you leaving cause they will be too busy with the hundreds of jazillions of folks that stuck around.
By the by, how's that $25.00 a share treating ya
Ha. I know this is still a rumor, but I called this a long time ago! However, everyone wanted to believe the IP5 would be out in June of this year! Apple doesn't rush new hardware onto the market until there's new software that the old hardware just can't handle properly. I bet IP5 won't be out until mid next year. iPad 3 could be an xmas launch, but we'll see.
iOS 5 is supported on all iPads and all iPhones after iP3G -- the iP3GS and the iP4:
iOS 5 beta 5 Downloads
iPad 2 (Wi-Fi)
iPad 2 Wi-Fi + 3G (GSM)
iPad 2 Wi-Fi + 3G (CDMA)
iPad (Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi + 3G)
iPhone 4 (GSM)
iPhone 4 (CDMA)
iPhone 3GS
iPod touch (4th generation)
iPod touch (3rd generation)
No, no. It's not AppleInsider's fault. They're just reporting everything, which is better than selectively not posting crap (even if everyone probably thinks isn't true). WE are the legitimacy filter, not AppleInsider.
They're basically the only unbiased news source left. Look at it that way.
Maybe a little more curation would be warranted.
Posting ALL crap is not better than selectively posting crap, BTW. It's still crap.
Maybe a little more curation would be warranted.
Posting ALL crap is not better than selectively posting crap, BTW. It's still crap.
Ahh, but sometimes you can find patterns in the crap, like an image of Jesus in a cow pat.
The roughly translated report also mentions an "iPhone 5" as well, with the author noting that he has "not found any information" about such hardware. The comment could be interpreted to suggest that an iPhone 4S, based off of the current iPhone 4, might be sold in addition to a proper fifth-generation iPhone.
Alternate translation: The writer hasn't found any info about the iPhone 5 hardware because the iPhone 5 is what he thinks is the 4s and he's merely bought into the rumors that there would be both.
If the next iPhone only turns out to be a processor and RAM upgrade, I think this would be a huge disappointment for both consumers and investors.
No, YOU would be disappointed. Because you feel that the only worthy updates are those that rewrite what it means to be a smartphone every time. 99.99% of consumers would disagree, in part because they don't buy a new phone every year. So they are coming from a 3gs not a 4 and even a 4s would be a huge improvement for them. And they will buy it even if it is just a little more ram and a slightly better camera and the high sales will make the investors very happy
Apple has not released a new handset in well over a year
Where's the law that says they can't deviate from a strict 12 month cycle. No where. Get over it
and I think it would signal a huge problem with their design team if the best they could come up with in that time was a minor speed bump.
To you maybe but not to the other 99.99% of folks who get that sometimes the best improvements come from better software rather than putting in a 20MP camera, an i7 processor, a 500 dpi screen, NFC and 4g that has little to no actual carrier support in most of the country much less the world and whatever other geek wanks you think simply must be in this next phone or it is a failure
so plan b then?
alternate translation: The writer hasn't found any info about the iphone 5 hardware because the iphone 5 is what he thinks is the 4s and he's merely bought into the rumors that there would be both.
No, you would be disappointed. Because you feel that the only worthy updates are those that rewrite what it means to be a smartphone every time. 99.99% of consumers would disagree, in part because they don't buy a new phone every year. So they are coming from a 3gs not a 4 and even a 4s would be a huge improvement for them. And they will buy it even if it is just a little more ram and a slightly better camera and the high sales will make the investors very happy
where's the law that says they can't deviate from a strict 12 month cycle. No where. Get over it
to you maybe but not to the other 99.99% of folks who get that sometimes the best improvements come from better software rather than putting in a 20mp camera, an i7 processor, a 500 dpi screen, nfc and 4g that has little to no actual carrier support in most of the country much less the world and whatever other geek wanks you think simply must be in this next phone or it is a failure
+++qft
Most folks have no issue with waiting. They figure the delay is due to the eartquake or such an they just roll with it. They will be there to buy whe it happens
So you go on and walk, Apple won't notice you leaving cause they will be too busy with the hundreds of jazillions of folks that stuck around.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
And we see how successful all the competitors have been in the mobile space......
Apple has a perfectly valid strategy which has proven to be quite successful. They've shown that there are plenty of customers who are NOT looking for the latest, shiniest gimmick. It is also clear that Apple is not resting on its laurels as you are alleging. "iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet"? Bull. The next version of the iPhone is certainly well into the testing stage by now and based on product development cycles, they almost certainly have prototypes of the following version. They probably even have concepts for the version after that.
But feel free to explain to us how your marketing and product development experience is such that we should listen to you telling Apple what to do.
That's what you think. You don't give an inch of opportunity to the competition. Mango folks at Microsoft are licking their chops at this opportunity and this is a huge opening for them to sneak in while iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet. I am a huge fan of Apple. But when Apple starts to think that the fans can wait forever, that's when I feel their arrogance. Consumers in general (excluding hardcore fanboys like myself) can be swayed easily more so when they see the newer and shinier (and cheaper!) alternative devices in the market.
And we see how successful all the competitors have been in the mobile space......
Apple has a perfectly valid strategy which has proven to be quite successful. They've shown that there are plenty of customers who are NOT looking for the latest, shiniest gimmick. It is also clear that Apple is not resting on its laurels as you are alleging. "iPhone 5 is not even in the oven yet"? Bull. The next version of the iPhone is certainly well into the testing stage by now and based on product development cycles, they almost certainly have prototypes of the following version. They probably even have concepts for the version after that.
But feel free to explain to us how your marketing and product development experience is such that we should listen to you telling Apple what to do.
@jragosta is right! Add to that Apple's timing and their canny ability to get the competition to play their high card... then trump it.,,, GalaxyTab, PlayBook, Xoom come to mind.
I suspect that Apple always has several new versions of all their existing products in various stages of development -- and depending on opportunity/necessity can announce/release a follow-on product at almost any time. Apple has repeatedly demonstrated that they can announce that they are going to change the world in 6 months (or less) and deliver on that promise.
Everyone else just shoots their wad by announcing early and never delivering... or worse, delivering last week's lunch.
That's why we wait on Apple...
Edit: It is also very comforting to Apple customers to know that they will get a product that will last (and be competitive) for a reasonable lifetime -- rather than become obsolete on the drive home from the store. That's because Apple concentrates on what's meaningful -- and eliminates all the cruft (bells and whistles).
I suspect that Apple always has several new versions of all their existing products in various stages of development
I would be shocked if they didn't. Doubly so given how much Jobs has talked about looking to the future.
-- and depending on opportunity/necessity can announce/release a follow-on product at almost any time.
It's probably more realistic to say that they go by their own schedule. I don't know how effective it would be for them to expedite their schedule, bringing their deadline forward a few months, too many things need to come together in a way that needs to be planned months in advance. I don't think they'd sit on several million units of inventory for months to get the ability to announce at a moment's notice.