It's worth noting that all of this recent information seems to come from the guy who stole/appropriated the prototype, so it's not likely to be very believable. It sounds remarkably similar to the claims made by the guy that stole the other prototype which were also walked significantly back by the time it all went to court.
No, it comes from a guy that claims he never had it. He admits he was at the bar, he lets them search his home. He even lets them search his PC (you think he knows how to forensically cleanse his PC to remove any trace of the iPhone?). Anyone he was at the bar with that night could have accompanied him home and had the phone without him knowing.
It's worth noting that some of this recent info comes from a guy whose home was violated.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
If someone is going to steal an iPhone prototype, how stupid and/or unreliable is he likely to be?
probably stupid enough to have connected to his PC and too stupid to have known how to wipe all traces of it before the investigators showed up unannounced.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
It's standard procedure that Apple would hire private investigators in a case like this so that part sounds realistic to me. The investigator could have pretended to be a cop, and that would of course be wrong. It doesn't seem too likely to me though, and if he did in fact do that, he's going to be fired and Apple is likely at enough of a distance from the act to not be liable for whatever some private detective did or didn't do.
Not just wrong. It would be illegal. If they have knocked his door down and handcuffed everyone in the house at gun point, that would also be illegal. Not just wrong.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
I think it likely that the investigator merely implied they were police and that the idiot thief is just panicking and saying stuff that he believed to be true but isn't actually true. Remember that the detective/investigator is well aware of the law and where the line is in regards what he can say or do and the thief is likely not.
Possibly. But we won't know until and unless Apple explains their side. If they are going to be harassing private citizens, then had better, at they very least, be prepared to explain themselves for it.
It would not be the first time that Apple Security has accompanied police officer's in an official (unofficial?) investigation. If there was nothing Apple had to hide, there would be no reason for their Senior Investigator to pull his profile today would there?
Well, I can give you one reason...
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
What? They are reporting the story. What the victim is saying, what the SFPD are saying and what Apple is not saying. When news breaks, you report it. You have to use the pat terms to make sure you are not falsely accusing anyone and to make clear that what is being reported is only what is being said You sir need a clue.
I have a clue. You do not. My clue comes from four decades of news editing experience - separating quality news sourcing and reporting from unsubstantiated rumor mongering. Because of the proliferation of substandard reporting like this, it's no accident that the current title of the Associated Press Stylebook now reads "The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual."
Sloppy reporting and smarmy disclaimers like "allegedly" and "reportedly" used in this so-called news report are not an effective legal shield if committing libel. Nor are these "pat terms" as you call them defenses for willfully and knowingly distributing false and defamatory information.
If Apple has expolice officers working for them then I don't doubt that they would break the law. Active duty cops always break the law. Give a psychopath a gun and a badge and that is what you get. I don't know any honest cops, NONE!
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
I guess, if that dickhead also very coincidently lived on the right street and was the right age from the original story, was able to find the corporate (unlisted?) phone number for that Apple employee, I guess he would have hit the dickhead jackpot where the stars aligned to let him play a little hoax. A hoax for which, despite the intelligence such a hoax would demonstrate, the only logical outcome would be him being sued into oblivion by that Apple employee and Apple.
I guess, if that dickhead also very coincidently lived on the right street and was the right age from the original story, was able to find the corporate (unlisted?) phone number for that Apple employee, I guess he would have hit the dickhead jackpot where the stars aligned to let him play a little hoax. A hoax for which, despite the intelligence such a hoax would demonstrate, the only logical outcome would be him being sued into oblivion by that Apple employee and Apple.
Very reasonable hypothesis.
I think this was the original story and somebody fucked it up the first time.
I don't get what you mean by living on the right street etc. I'm sure the guy giving the information knows where he lives... don't you know where you live.
Where did you read that this was Colon's "corporate" number? Could it be his home number... maybe it's listed. there are a number of ways he could get that number.
Anthony Colon was a cop... guess what... cops have enemies.
[on edit: ... and since when have nutcases ever thought about the consequences of their actions]
Let's see how long it is until Apple removes his page....
Get some balls... why don't you phone one of the major media outlets and report that Tim Cook came over to your house and tried to eat your kitten. Let's see how that works out for you.
Get some balls... why don't you phone one of the media outlets and report that Tim Cook came over to your house and tried to eat your kitten. Let's see how that works out for you.
so you honestly find it more likely that this ENTIRE story is fabricated than a corporation possibly overstepping it's boundaries?
I think this was the original story and somebody fucked it up the first time.
I don't get what you mean by living on the right street etc. I'm sure the guy giving the information knows where he lives... don't you know where you live.
Yes. And I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to two media outlets, along with my real name, in a story that will get a bunch of irrational fanboys all frothed up and accusing me of crimes. Dude is going to need a security detail now. If he gave the original story, sure he'd have all the info and it would match. If he wasn't cnet's original source, then he coincidently matches the info.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Where did you read that this was Colon's "corporate" number? Could it be his home number... maybe it's listed. there are a number of ways he could get that number.
Anthony Colon was a cop... guess what... cops have enemies.
[on edit: ... and since when have nutcases ever thought about the consequences of their actions]
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
Yes. And I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to two media outlets, along with my real name, in a story that will get a bunch of irrational fanboys all frothed up and accusing me of crimes. Dude is going to need a security detail now. If he gave the original story, sure he'd have all the info and it would match. If he wasn't cnet's original source, then he coincidently matches the info.
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
Obviously you have experience in these matters. Oddly enough, my cousin's a cop... I found her number in 411. I guess that blows your theory.
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It's worth noting that all of this recent information seems to come from the guy who stole/appropriated the prototype, so it's not likely to be very believable. It sounds remarkably similar to the claims made by the guy that stole the other prototype which were also walked significantly back by the time it all went to court.
No, it comes from a guy that claims he never had it. He admits he was at the bar, he lets them search his home. He even lets them search his PC (you think he knows how to forensically cleanse his PC to remove any trace of the iPhone?). Anyone he was at the bar with that night could have accompanied him home and had the phone without him knowing.
It's worth noting that some of this recent info comes from a guy whose home was violated.
If someone is going to steal an iPhone prototype, how stupid and/or unreliable is he likely to be?
probably stupid enough to have connected to his PC and too stupid to have known how to wipe all traces of it before the investigators showed up unannounced.
It's standard procedure that Apple would hire private investigators in a case like this so that part sounds realistic to me. The investigator could have pretended to be a cop, and that would of course be wrong. It doesn't seem too likely to me though, and if he did in fact do that, he's going to be fired and Apple is likely at enough of a distance from the act to not be liable for whatever some private detective did or didn't do.
Not just wrong. It would be illegal. If they have knocked his door down and handcuffed everyone in the house at gun point, that would also be illegal. Not just wrong.
I think it likely that the investigator merely implied they were police and that the idiot thief is just panicking and saying stuff that he believed to be true but isn't actually true. Remember that the detective/investigator is well aware of the law and where the line is in regards what he can say or do and the thief is likely not.
Possibly. But we won't know until and unless Apple explains their side. If they are going to be harassing private citizens, then had better, at they very least, be prepared to explain themselves for it.
It would not be the first time that Apple Security has accompanied police officer's in an official (unofficial?) investigation. If there was nothing Apple had to hide, there would be no reason for their Senior Investigator to pull his profile today would there?
Well, I can give you one reason...
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
Well, I can give you one reason...
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
possible. but highly unlikely.
you iPhanboys are something else.
What? They are reporting the story. What the victim is saying, what the SFPD are saying and what Apple is not saying. When news breaks, you report it. You have to use the pat terms to make sure you are not falsely accusing anyone and to make clear that what is being reported is only what is being said You sir need a clue.
I have a clue. You do not. My clue comes from four decades of news editing experience - separating quality news sourcing and reporting from unsubstantiated rumor mongering. Because of the proliferation of substandard reporting like this, it's no accident that the current title of the Associated Press Stylebook now reads "The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual."
Sloppy reporting and smarmy disclaimers like "allegedly" and "reportedly" used in this so-called news report are not an effective legal shield if committing libel. Nor are these "pat terms" as you call them defenses for willfully and knowingly distributing false and defamatory information.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14202082/S...-and-Criminals
I wouldn't let anybody into my apartment to mess through all of my belongings, just because they showed up at the door.
And one of the investigators supposedly offered $300 for the return of the phone? Pathetic.
Well, I can give you one reason...
Let's say that some dickhead wanted a little attention so he made up a story about Apple people searching his house etc. etc.... and then it was later discovered that this dickhead had accidentally discovered the LinkedIn profile of one Anthony Colon which eventually led to the lie he told to whoever.
Now... if I was Apple I'd want that LinkedIn profile to be pulled* so as to not attract any more assholes.
* ... and the profile is still there as a cached image.
I guess, if that dickhead also very coincidently lived on the right street and was the right age from the original story, was able to find the corporate (unlisted?) phone number for that Apple employee, I guess he would have hit the dickhead jackpot where the stars aligned to let him play a little hoax. A hoax for which, despite the intelligence such a hoax would demonstrate, the only logical outcome would be him being sued into oblivion by that Apple employee and Apple.
Very reasonable hypothesis.
I guess, if that dickhead also very coincidently lived on the right street and was the right age from the original story, was able to find the corporate (unlisted?) phone number for that Apple employee, I guess he would have hit the dickhead jackpot where the stars aligned to let him play a little hoax. A hoax for which, despite the intelligence such a hoax would demonstrate, the only logical outcome would be him being sued into oblivion by that Apple employee and Apple.
Very reasonable hypothesis.
I think this was the original story and somebody fucked it up the first time.
I don't get what you mean by living on the right street etc. I'm sure the guy giving the information knows where he lives... don't you know where you live.
Where did you read that this was Colon's "corporate" number? Could it be his home number... maybe it's listed. there are a number of ways he could get that number.
Anthony Colon was a cop... guess what... cops have enemies.
[on edit: ... and since when have nutcases ever thought about the consequences of their actions]
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
So if each of us complained about a different Apple employee they'd erase all public info for everyone who works at the company?
I think the real reason is less complicated and far less beholden to other people's whims...
Yes... they would erase info if those employees were acting illegally or if people were creating false stories about them.
Okay, let's give it a go:
Tim Cook eats kittens!
Let's see how long it is until Apple removes his page....
Get some balls... why don't you phone one of the major media outlets and report that Tim Cook came over to your house and tried to eat your kitten. Let's see how that works out for you.
Okay, let's give it a go:
Tim Cook eats kittens!
Let's see how long it is until Apple removes his page....
Jeff Williams likes to play 7 minutes in heaven with middle schoolers.
Next.
Get some balls... why don't you phone one of the media outlets and report that Tim Cook came over to your house and tried to eat your kitten. Let's see how that works out for you.
so you honestly find it more likely that this ENTIRE story is fabricated than a corporation possibly overstepping it's boundaries?
I think this was the original story and somebody fucked it up the first time.
I don't get what you mean by living on the right street etc. I'm sure the guy giving the information knows where he lives... don't you know where you live.
Yes. And I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to two media outlets, along with my real name, in a story that will get a bunch of irrational fanboys all frothed up and accusing me of crimes. Dude is going to need a security detail now. If he gave the original story, sure he'd have all the info and it would match. If he wasn't cnet's original source, then he coincidently matches the info.
Where did you read that this was Colon's "corporate" number? Could it be his home number... maybe it's listed. there are a number of ways he could get that number.
Anthony Colon was a cop... guess what... cops have enemies.
[on edit: ... and since when have nutcases ever thought about the consequences of their actions]
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
Yes. And I sure as hell wouldn't be giving it to two media outlets, along with my real name, in a story that will get a bunch of irrational fanboys all frothed up and accusing me of crimes. Dude is going to need a security detail now. If he gave the original story, sure he'd have all the info and it would match. If he wasn't cnet's original source, then he coincidently matches the info.
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
Obviously you have experience in these matters. Oddly enough, my cousin's a cop... I found her number in 411. I guess that blows your theory.