I was going to post something about waiting to hear what some people would be willing to say to excuse this intrusion (if it was true). I see we didn't have to wait long.
Sorry Joe, but corporate security searching a private residence is bullshit, no matter how much you try to butter it. If the employee did it as a part of his job, then he isn't a 'rogue' employee. If this is true, Apple is going to be paying through the ass for the invasion of this guys home. And yes, I use the word invasion intentionally.
If an Apple employee does something at night without telling Apple and without Apple's approval, how is that Apple's fault?
If a Walmart employee robs your home, is that Walmart's fault?
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Originally Posted by Tulkas
There are a lot of holes in the story, true. What would make you feel better? if someone bought the device and put picture online as proof? I seem to recall you vilifying Giz over that repeatedly and constantly.
I villify ANYONE who makes up likes and uses them to further their own political agenda.
Like you - defending a story when even you admit that it's full of holes.
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
You can't get the home number of address of a cop? That's total BS.
I just checked on the two friends who I know who are cops - both of them have listed phone numbers and addresses.
Some of the commenters here would make fabulous cult members, following in lockstep and viciously attacking anyone who speaks against your leader.
How's bout you wait for the full story to come out before pulling the violent fanboy routine, unless you have no problem putting yourselves at risk of looking like spoon-fed mouth breathers.
Oh, and the author of this article has to use terms like "Allegedly" and "reportedly," because reporting on these matters as if they were absolute fact would open them up to libel and defamation of character lawsuits from Apple's crackerjack legal militia.
Oh noes. I love Apple, but this sounds bad. I don't know what to think. If it was a group of scared employees trying to get their phone back the quickest way possible, I could understand why they did it. Without condoning it of course.
But what worries me is that an Apple security employee was involved, not just the group closest to the incident, which means some thought went into the operation and potentially higher up employees may know what was attempted.
This could be very bad. You can't pretend to be the police. Even if you are a mega-corp. That thin blue line is there to protect the haves from the have-nots, and the haves won't allow that line to be compromised.
Some of the commenters here would make fabulous cult members, following in lockstep and viciously attacking anyone who speaks against your leader.
How's bout you wait for the full story to come out before pulling the violent fanboy routine, unless you have no problem putting yourselves at risk of looking like spoon-fed mouth breathers.
Oh, and the author of this article has to use terms like "Allegedly" and "reportedly," because reporting on these matters as if they were absolute fact would open them up to libel and defamation of character lawsuits from Apple's crackerjack legal militia.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I see none of that here... we're just giving scenarios... using maybe and could have etc.
I see that it's very possible that an ex-cop could very well do as it says but I also can see a nutcase just wanting to get attention after having read about the other missing phone.
If an Apple employee does something at night without telling Apple and without Apple's approval, how is that Apple's fault?
If a Walmart employee robs your home, is that Walmart's fault?
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
True enough... if he's on your payroll then you got troubles, Lucy...
[if this story isn't bullshit then Steve and Tim will be bouncing off the walls... Colon was just hired this summer... maybe to find the phone]
I see none of that here... we're just giving scenarios... using maybe and could have etc.
I see that it's very possible that an ex-cop could very well do as it says but I also can see a nutcase just wanting to get attention after having read about the other missing phone.
Anything is possible.
One ex-cop, sure, but what about the other 5 employees? And no, not all of you are "just giving scenarios." Some of you are being disgustingly vitriolic towards posters who believe their is legitimacy to this story. Not you specifically, but there's a couple in here.
Sure, because it's entirely plausible and even likely that one of the biggest corporations on earth behaves like a Tijuana loan shark and sends its security apparatus forth with instructions to claim to be the police so as to get access to people's homes. Because they know that there's no way that could ever come back to bite them in the ass. Let me guess, because of the "arrogance"?
One ex-cop, sure, but what about the other 5 employees? And no, not all of you are "just giving scenarios." Some of you are being disgustingly vitriolic towards posters who believe their is legitimacy to this story. Not you specifically, but there's a couple in here.
I'm not sure if they are Colon's employees or Apple's employees... Colon could be contracted... but as mentioned... his problems would also be Apple's problems if this actually happened.
As long as we're being very careful in our fact-finding, did you come across some clear evidence that this man actually stole the phone, or did you mean to include "allegedly"? ...
The phone was traced by GPS to his residence.
There is the possibility of a mistake of course, so yeah, to be *polite* I should have said allegedly, but it's pretty clear that he is the guy. If it was any normal person and they had nothing to do with it, they would have either not cared at all, or been extremely outraged. This guy instead kept a completely low profile and said nothing for more than a month. Then when the story breaks, he comes back with "They impersonated police officers!"
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see that this is the guy that took the prototype. The odds of him not being the thief are very very small indeed. As is usual, it's down to the matter of proving it in court, which may be very difficult.
There is the possibility of a mistake of course, so yeah, to be *polite* I should have said allegedly, but it's pretty clear that he is the guy. If it was any normal person and they had nothing to do with it, they would have either not cared at all, or been extremely outraged. This guy instead kept a completely low profile and said nothing for more than a month. Then when the story breaks, he comes back with "They impersonated police officers!"
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see that this is the guy that took the prototype. The odds of him not being the thief are very very small indeed. As is usual, it's down to the matter of proving it in court, which may be very difficult.
I'm waiting to see if he even goes to the police to complain... if he doesn't then it's a non-story or Apple will go after him for the hoax.
I'm sure it would be suuuuuper intimidating if you're a person who's never had a run in with the law in any way before and had a gang of guys, not just one guy, show up at your door, but you've got to try to keep your wits about you and stick by your guns in these situations. If there's no warrant, then do NOT allow any entry into my home, or the searching of anything. And if they don't place you under arrest, don't answer ANY questions.
I wouldn't answer the door. The odds of it being a door-to-door sales person, religious whack job, or randomly strange and time wasting encounter is too high--especially in San Francisco. Like answering the phone if you don't have forewarning, I don't pick it up. With all the ways we are connected, giving a heads up that you are calling or dropping by is just common courtesy.
All this REALLY, REALLY STINKS. This is not how Apple operates. If they really were going to break the law, they would have waited until the guy split, did a B&E, ransack the place, and recover the phone. For god sakes doesn't anyone watch TV? They wouldn't just show up and announce that they were from Apple. Who is that stupid if you are knowingly breaking the law to announce who they are and that they were looking for an iPhone prototype?!? Again totally fishy.
This is a perfect example of why you should never let anyone into your home without calling the police station, with the number in the phonebook, to verify the badge number and location of an officer reputing to have the authority to enter your home.
You expect the police to calmly and patiently wait at your door while you call to check on them? The police are beating people up just for taking a picture of them. You think they are going to let you make a call?
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
Only one of the employees was allegedly an Apple employee - and that hasn't been verified.
And you're just plain wrong. If a Walmart employee breaks into your house at night and robs you, there's no way in the world that Walmart would be liable.
But feel free to show a statute that says an employer is liable for its employees actions in their off work hours. [This should be humorous]
You expect the police to calmly and patiently wait at your door while you call to check on them? The police are beating people up just for taking a picture of them. You think they are going to let you make a call?
"I thought it was a gun... how was I supposed to know it was a cellphone?!"
"Okay, sure... but did you have unload 2 clips into him!!?"
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I was going to post something about waiting to hear what some people would be willing to say to excuse this intrusion (if it was true). I see we didn't have to wait long.
Sorry Joe, but corporate security searching a private residence is bullshit, no matter how much you try to butter it. If the employee did it as a part of his job, then he isn't a 'rogue' employee. If this is true, Apple is going to be paying through the ass for the invasion of this guys home. And yes, I use the word invasion intentionally.
If an Apple employee does something at night without telling Apple and without Apple's approval, how is that Apple's fault?
If a Walmart employee robs your home, is that Walmart's fault?
There are a lot of holes in the story, true. What would make you feel better? if someone bought the device and put picture online as proof? I seem to recall you vilifying Giz over that repeatedly and constantly.
I villify ANYONE who makes up likes and uses them to further their own political agenda.
Like you - defending a story when even you admit that it's full of holes.
Yes indeed, the ramifications would be quite serious. You make a good argument that this guy's story is true.
It makes him a possible nutcase.
You ever try to find the home number and or address of a cop? Go ahead and try. I'll wait. This would go beyond a hoax. This would be a vendetta. For Sergio to have the information and skills to pull this off is a lot less believable than the story itself.
You can't get the home number of address of a cop? That's total BS.
I just checked on the two friends who I know who are cops - both of them have listed phone numbers and addresses.
You can't get the home number of address of a cop? That's total BS.
I just checked on the two friends who I know who are cops - both of them have listed phone numbers and addresses.
He was hoping nobody would call him on it.
How's bout you wait for the full story to come out before pulling the violent fanboy routine, unless you have no problem putting yourselves at risk of looking like spoon-fed mouth breathers.
Oh, and the author of this article has to use terms like "Allegedly" and "reportedly," because reporting on these matters as if they were absolute fact would open them up to libel and defamation of character lawsuits from Apple's crackerjack legal militia.
But what worries me is that an Apple security employee was involved, not just the group closest to the incident, which means some thought went into the operation and potentially higher up employees may know what was attempted.
This could be very bad. You can't pretend to be the police. Even if you are a mega-corp. That thin blue line is there to protect the haves from the have-nots, and the haves won't allow that line to be compromised.
Some of the commenters here would make fabulous cult members, following in lockstep and viciously attacking anyone who speaks against your leader.
How's bout you wait for the full story to come out before pulling the violent fanboy routine, unless you have no problem putting yourselves at risk of looking like spoon-fed mouth breathers.
Oh, and the author of this article has to use terms like "Allegedly" and "reportedly," because reporting on these matters as if they were absolute fact would open them up to libel and defamation of character lawsuits from Apple's crackerjack legal militia.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I see none of that here... we're just giving scenarios... using maybe and could have etc.
I see that it's very possible that an ex-cop could very well do as it says but I also can see a nutcase just wanting to get attention after having read about the other missing phone.
Anything is possible.
If an Apple employee does something at night without telling Apple and without Apple's approval, how is that Apple's fault?
If a Walmart employee robs your home, is that Walmart's fault?
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
True enough... if he's on your payroll then you got troubles, Lucy...
[if this story isn't bullshit then Steve and Tim will be bouncing off the walls... Colon was just hired this summer... maybe to find the phone]
What the fuck are you talking about?
I see none of that here... we're just giving scenarios... using maybe and could have etc.
I see that it's very possible that an ex-cop could very well do as it says but I also can see a nutcase just wanting to get attention after having read about the other missing phone.
Anything is possible.
One ex-cop, sure, but what about the other 5 employees? And no, not all of you are "just giving scenarios." Some of you are being disgustingly vitriolic towards posters who believe their is legitimacy to this story. Not you specifically, but there's a couple in here.
possible. but highly unlikely.
you iPhanboys are something else.
Sure, because it's entirely plausible and even likely that one of the biggest corporations on earth behaves like a Tijuana loan shark and sends its security apparatus forth with instructions to claim to be the police so as to get access to people's homes. Because they know that there's no way that could ever come back to bite them in the ass. Let me guess, because of the "arrogance"?
But, you know, "fanboys", so case closed.
One ex-cop, sure, but what about the other 5 employees? And no, not all of you are "just giving scenarios." Some of you are being disgustingly vitriolic towards posters who believe their is legitimacy to this story. Not you specifically, but there's a couple in here.
I'm not sure if they are Colon's employees or Apple's employees... Colon could be contracted... but as mentioned... his problems would also be Apple's problems if this actually happened.
As long as we're being very careful in our fact-finding, did you come across some clear evidence that this man actually stole the phone, or did you mean to include "allegedly"? ...
The phone was traced by GPS to his residence.
There is the possibility of a mistake of course, so yeah, to be *polite* I should have said allegedly, but it's pretty clear that he is the guy. If it was any normal person and they had nothing to do with it, they would have either not cared at all, or been extremely outraged. This guy instead kept a completely low profile and said nothing for more than a month. Then when the story breaks, he comes back with "They impersonated police officers!"
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see that this is the guy that took the prototype. The odds of him not being the thief are very very small indeed. As is usual, it's down to the matter of proving it in court, which may be very difficult.
The phone was traced by GPS to his residence.
There is the possibility of a mistake of course, so yeah, to be *polite* I should have said allegedly, but it's pretty clear that he is the guy. If it was any normal person and they had nothing to do with it, they would have either not cared at all, or been extremely outraged. This guy instead kept a completely low profile and said nothing for more than a month. Then when the story breaks, he comes back with "They impersonated police officers!"
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but you'd have to be an idiot not to see that this is the guy that took the prototype. The odds of him not being the thief are very very small indeed. As is usual, it's down to the matter of proving it in court, which may be very difficult.
I'm waiting to see if he even goes to the police to complain... if he doesn't then it's a non-story or Apple will go after him for the hoax.
I'm sure it would be suuuuuper intimidating if you're a person who's never had a run in with the law in any way before and had a gang of guys, not just one guy, show up at your door, but you've got to try to keep your wits about you and stick by your guns in these situations. If there's no warrant, then do NOT allow any entry into my home, or the searching of anything. And if they don't place you under arrest, don't answer ANY questions.
I wouldn't answer the door. The odds of it being a door-to-door sales person, religious whack job, or randomly strange and time wasting encounter is too high--especially in San Francisco. Like answering the phone if you don't have forewarning, I don't pick it up. With all the ways we are connected, giving a heads up that you are calling or dropping by is just common courtesy.
All this REALLY, REALLY STINKS. This is not how Apple operates. If they really were going to break the law, they would have waited until the guy split, did a B&E, ransack the place, and recover the phone. For god sakes doesn't anyone watch TV?
This is a perfect example of why you should never let anyone into your home without calling the police station, with the number in the phonebook, to verify the badge number and location of an officer reputing to have the authority to enter your home.
You expect the police to calmly and patiently wait at your door while you call to check on them?
Six employees, operating illegally on their company's behalf? Yes, actually, that would be Walmart's fault, and they would be held legally liable for the actions of those employees. Look it up, or call one of those legal help lines and ask.
Only one of the employees was allegedly an Apple employee - and that hasn't been verified.
And you're just plain wrong. If a Walmart employee breaks into your house at night and robs you, there's no way in the world that Walmart would be liable.
But feel free to show a statute that says an employer is liable for its employees actions in their off work hours. [This should be humorous]
You expect the police to calmly and patiently wait at your door while you call to check on them?
"I thought it was a gun... how was I supposed to know it was a cellphone?!"
"Okay, sure... but did you have unload 2 clips into him!!?"