13 in the U.S. makes a lot of sense at this point, though I refuse to believe it's not higher than that.
It's highest in Switzerland, isn't it? Upwards of 15% there, I think.
This is consumer share. Enterprise sales are included and are a fair chunk of the total. To be 13% of all computers is therefore to be >20% ( at least) of consumer devices, which is what you see.
This is consumer share. Enterprise sales are included and are a fair chunk of the total. To be 13% of all computers is therefore to be >20% ( at least) of consumer devices, which is what you see.
Literally, out in the world. Macs. Macs EVERYWHERE.
Yeah, and they had 99% of WHITE consumer desktop purchases.
If you narrow down your "market" you can come up with ever more positive numbers, but the fact is, there's no reason why you would disallow all those "unimportant" business sales that make up over half the market. I mean, how dumb!?! Those sales COUNT!
but Apple is not competing in that market in any meaningful way. And ignoring enterprise sales would be important to a game developer, for instance, who was trying to work out how much he increases his market in the US for his game. Answer: 27%
So you're rich. Big deal. I got the aforementioned LC II for three dollars.
No it is a company and we've been around for a long, long time. Also back in the early days, Macs would cost us $15K-$20K to get set up with large monitors, ram, hard drives, scanners, printers, etc. It doesn't take too many workstations to get to $100K at those prices, especially after 20+ years. The real figure is more like 5 times that much if you count the Sun Sparcs and Windows boxes. All thrown away. You use them as long as you can but since it is a business you need to have newest equipment to stay competitive... and why would I want old useless junk sitting around taking up valuable work space?
Thats a sweepingly silly - almost stupid - statement.
Well I didn't consider flipping hamburgers as a real world job. Sure that doesn't require knowledge of Windows. Seriously, what industry segment aside from graphic design would you not need to know how to work with Windows computers?
So you're rich. Big deal. I got the aforementioned LC II for three dollars.
I agree - I started with 2 SE's and 1 iiCX, using Word, Excel and Filemaker Pro in 1989 for my small manufacturing business. Kept them for years until the mid 90's before upgrading.
They did everything virtually seamlessly even then, so don't know where your comment is coming from, you're talking out of your §*se!
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change. Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
At work we can hardly get any help from Apple anymore for things like OD/AD integration. We used to be able to, but its like the whole Enterprise support team is simply gone. I look at my Xserve in the rack and wonder what I will do when it needs replacing?get a Mini server??
There is no way I'll spend money on Microsoft products right now. My Vista experience has been so bad that I just hate MS for putting it out. They stole more than one work week worth of hours from me because of needing to be on the telephone with tech support.
I don't work in the programming field so I don't really need a Microsoft product. What I do need it for is to stream videos from Starz. They aren't set up for Mac or Linux. I have a web site creation program that only works in Windows. The only other thing I use in Windows is an encryption program for PDF files. When Linux and OS X can do everything for me I'll be done with Microsoft.
I hear you. It is painful every time I have to use it.
13.5% in the US is significant, as it's 1 in 6 PCs. Up from what? 4-5% just a few years ago.
The trend is bad for Microsoft, especially in a key market.
Actually, 13.5% is between 1 in 7 and 1 in 8.
Clearly Apple is doing well. Microsoft's problem is no so much loss of share to Apple, but rather the fact that they have saturated the market and it would be very difficult for them to grow - even if they had 100% share.
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I bet that 13% share in the US would be a really interesting number to decompose. My hunch is that it is heavily concentrated among higher income consumers. In fact, among that demographic, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's share is in the ballpark of 50%.
Probably. It is known that Apple sells the majority of machines over $1,000.
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Meanwhile, Samsung was caught in ANOTHER LIE AGAIN.
I suspect the Lenovo guy is way too low. However, I think it's fair to say that Samsung sold a lot less than the 2 M they claimed.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Well I didn't consider flipping hamburgers as a real world job. Sure that doesn't require knowledge of Windows. Seriously, what industry segment aside from graphic design would you not need to know how to work with Windows computers?
Any number of jobs.
1. Many clerical jobs are using web-based apps. It doesn't matter which platform you use.
2. Scientific jobs are still highly Mac-based
3. College professors use a higher percentage of Macs than the general population
4. Executive positions. Since you're doing memos, presentations, and spreadsheets much of the time, either platform works fine.
5. If you have a single Windows-based app you must use, it can easily be done on the Mac with Parallels or another VM. It can be set up so you never have to use Windows directly - just the app.
This "you MUST use Windows" mentality hasn't been true in most jobs for years.
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So in 10 more years will they break 10%??
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change. Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
What part of "Apple wants profit, not market share" don't you understand?
I suspect the Lenovo guy is way too low. However, I think it's fair to say that Samsung sold a lot less than the 2 M they claimed.
See, the problem is that Apple can't turn around and start reporting units sent to Apple Stores and resellers as "sold" because they'll just wind up with the exact same numbers as before.
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What part of "Apple wants profit, not market share" don't you understand?
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change.
Apple's lowly percentage of units sales makes them 1/3 of the world's 'PC' profits. That's makes them the most profitable 'PC' market on the planet, and by a large margin. That sounds like losing to you?
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Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
So you're claiming they don't focus on anything but iOS, yet Macs keep being copied over and over again. The newest is the 'PC' industries UltraBooks using a milled aluminium chassis, chicklet keyboard, and other key features that were scoffed at by you and your ilk when Apple first introduced them. That sounds like losing to you?
Apple's lowly percentage of units sales makes them 1/3 of the world's 'PC' profits. That's makes them the most profitable 'PC' market on the planet, and by a large margin. That sounds like losing to you?
So you're claiming they don't focus on anything but iOS, yet Macs keep being copied over and over again. The newest is the 'PC' industries UltraBooks using a milled aluminium chassis, chicklet keyboard, and other key features that were scoffed at by you and your ilk when Apple first introduced them. That sounds like losing to you?
I am not claiming anything. Apple makes less than 1/3 of its money on the Mac. Other vendors that basically sell only computers may copy them....so what????
The fact is in Q2 2011 85million Windows PC's were sold. 6% is great, but I look at those charts and 92% is a tad better. Those number have barely moved in 10-15 years. I never said anything about profit, market share only.
I am not claiming anything. Apple makes less than 1/3 of its money on the Mac.
That means Apple makes a shit of money worth protecting and growing.
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Other vendors that basically sell only computers may copy them....so what????
That's their fault for being a one-trcik pony. You need to evolve with markets or risk becoming extinct.
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The fact is in Q2 2011 85million Windows PC's were sold.
And 6% of them were from Apple. A tremendous achievement when you consider that Apple doesn't even sell consumer 'PCs' in the price ranges most of those 85M were sold.
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6% is great, but I look at those charts and 92% is a tad better.
Again, you ignore business models and basic economic understanding. Apple will never have 92% because they sell 'PCs', not an OS to sell to 'PC' makers, hence you are comparing different markets as if they are being sold the same way. What does HP, the largest PC maker in the world have; about 22% and little profit to show for it? You honestly think that's a better situation to be in?
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Those number have barely moved in 10-15 years. I never said anything about profit, market share only.
Barely moved? Hasn't Apple tripled it's percentage of the total market, while the market has continued to grow expand thus requiring them to sell even faster than simply trying to triple their own sales. But that's beside the point, why are focusing on marketshare when Apple (and any well run company) is focusing on maximizing profits)? Why are you belittling Apple's dominant take over the 'PC' industry as if they are losers who should gracefully bow out of the game instead of trying to sell Macs?
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13 in the U.S. makes a lot of sense at this point, though I refuse to believe it's not higher than that.
It's highest in Switzerland, isn't it? Upwards of 15% there, I think.
This is consumer share. Enterprise sales are included and are a fair chunk of the total. To be 13% of all computers is therefore to be >20% ( at least) of consumer devices, which is what you see.
This is consumer share. Enterprise sales are included and are a fair chunk of the total. To be 13% of all computers is therefore to be >20% ( at least) of consumer devices, which is what you see.
Literally, out in the world. Macs. Macs EVERYWHERE.
Now the numbers make sense, thanks.
Yeah, and they had 99% of WHITE consumer desktop purchases.
If you narrow down your "market" you can come up with ever more positive numbers, but the fact is, there's no reason why you would disallow all those "unimportant" business sales that make up over half the market. I mean, how dumb!?! Those sales COUNT!
but Apple is not competing in that market in any meaningful way. And ignoring enterprise sales would be important to a game developer, for instance, who was trying to work out how much he increases his market in the US for his game. Answer: 27%
So you're rich. Big deal. I got the aforementioned LC II for three dollars.
No it is a company and we've been around for a long, long time. Also back in the early days, Macs would cost us $15K-$20K to get set up with large monitors, ram, hard drives, scanners, printers, etc. It doesn't take too many workstations to get to $100K at those prices, especially after 20+ years. The real figure is more like 5 times that much if you count the Sun Sparcs and Windows boxes. All thrown away. You use them as long as you can but since it is a business you need to have newest equipment to stay competitive... and why would I want old useless junk sitting around taking up valuable work space?
Thats a sweepingly silly - almost stupid - statement.
Well I didn't consider flipping hamburgers as a real world job. Sure that doesn't require knowledge of Windows. Seriously, what industry segment aside from graphic design would you not need to know how to work with Windows computers?
Are you being intentionally dense?
So you're rich. Big deal. I got the aforementioned LC II for three dollars.
I agree - I started with 2 SE's and 1 iiCX, using Word, Excel and Filemaker Pro in 1989 for my small manufacturing business. Kept them for years until the mid 90's before upgrading.
They did everything virtually seamlessly even then, so don't know where your comment is coming from, you're talking out of your §*se!
From the PC Mag article you linked to:
TRue or Not it wouldnt be the first time Samsung LIED.
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change. Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
At work we can hardly get any help from Apple anymore for things like OD/AD integration. We used to be able to, but its like the whole Enterprise support team is simply gone. I look at my Xserve in the rack and wonder what I will do when it needs replacing?get a Mini server??
There is no way I'll spend money on Microsoft products right now. My Vista experience has been so bad that I just hate MS for putting it out. They stole more than one work week worth of hours from me because of needing to be on the telephone with tech support.
I don't work in the programming field so I don't really need a Microsoft product. What I do need it for is to stream videos from Starz. They aren't set up for Mac or Linux. I have a web site creation program that only works in Windows. The only other thing I use in Windows is an encryption program for PDF files. When Linux and OS X can do everything for me I'll be done with Microsoft.
I hear you. It is painful every time I have to use it.
Meanwhile, Samsung was caught in ANOTHER LIE AGAIN.
Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales 20K, not 2 Million
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392422,00.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ung-galaxy-tab
Well they got the '2' right
Well they got the '2' right
Maybe they are counting in the refrigerators they sold which basically have the Galaxy tab built into the door.
13.5% in the US is significant, as it's 1 in 6 PCs. Up from what? 4-5% just a few years ago.
The trend is bad for Microsoft, especially in a key market.
Actually, 13.5% is between 1 in 7 and 1 in 8.
Clearly Apple is doing well. Microsoft's problem is no so much loss of share to Apple, but rather the fact that they have saturated the market and it would be very difficult for them to grow - even if they had 100% share.
I bet that 13% share in the US would be a really interesting number to decompose. My hunch is that it is heavily concentrated among higher income consumers. In fact, among that demographic, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's share is in the ballpark of 50%.
Probably. It is known that Apple sells the majority of machines over $1,000.
Meanwhile, Samsung was caught in ANOTHER LIE AGAIN.
Samsung Galaxy Tab Sales 20K, not 2 Million
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392422,00.asp
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ung-galaxy-tab
I suspect the Lenovo guy is way too low. However, I think it's fair to say that Samsung sold a lot less than the 2 M they claimed.
Well I didn't consider flipping hamburgers as a real world job. Sure that doesn't require knowledge of Windows. Seriously, what industry segment aside from graphic design would you not need to know how to work with Windows computers?
Any number of jobs.
1. Many clerical jobs are using web-based apps. It doesn't matter which platform you use.
2. Scientific jobs are still highly Mac-based
3. College professors use a higher percentage of Macs than the general population
4. Executive positions. Since you're doing memos, presentations, and spreadsheets much of the time, either platform works fine.
5. If you have a single Windows-based app you must use, it can easily be done on the Mac with Parallels or another VM. It can be set up so you never have to use Windows directly - just the app.
This "you MUST use Windows" mentality hasn't been true in most jobs for years.
So in 10 more years will they break 10%??
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change. Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
What part of "Apple wants profit, not market share" don't you understand?
I suspect the Lenovo guy is way too low. However, I think it's fair to say that Samsung sold a lot less than the 2 M they claimed.
See, the problem is that Apple can't turn around and start reporting units sent to Apple Stores and resellers as "sold" because they'll just wind up with the exact same numbers as before.
What part of "Apple wants profit, not market share" don't you understand?
'Profit', 'comma', and 'not', it seems.
Apple lost the computer market share a LONG time ago, it is never going to change.
Apple's lowly percentage of units sales makes them 1/3 of the world's 'PC' profits. That's makes them the most profitable 'PC' market on the planet, and by a large margin. That sounds like losing to you?
Hence the intense focus on anything iOS.
So you're claiming they don't focus on anything but iOS, yet Macs keep being copied over and over again. The newest is the 'PC' industries UltraBooks using a milled aluminium chassis, chicklet keyboard, and other key features that were scoffed at by you and your ilk when Apple first introduced them. That sounds like losing to you?
Apple's lowly percentage of units sales makes them 1/3 of the world's 'PC' profits. That's makes them the most profitable 'PC' market on the planet, and by a large margin. That sounds like losing to you?
So you're claiming they don't focus on anything but iOS, yet Macs keep being copied over and over again. The newest is the 'PC' industries UltraBooks using a milled aluminium chassis, chicklet keyboard, and other key features that were scoffed at by you and your ilk when Apple first introduced them. That sounds like losing to you?
I am not claiming anything. Apple makes less than 1/3 of its money on the Mac. Other vendors that basically sell only computers may copy them....so what????
The fact is in Q2 2011 85million Windows PC's were sold. 6% is great, but I look at those charts and 92% is a tad better. Those number have barely moved in 10-15 years. I never said anything about profit, market share only.
Wow. Guess who has that exact model of computer sitting in his bedroom right now?
Small world, innit?
I never switch from windows either. My first mac was also the LC. Prior to that Sinclair Spectrum 48/128, Atari ST, and Texas Instruments TI994A.
I am not claiming anything. Apple makes less than 1/3 of its money on the Mac.
That means Apple makes a shit of money worth protecting and growing.
Other vendors that basically sell only computers may copy them....so what????
That's their fault for being a one-trcik pony. You need to evolve with markets or risk becoming extinct.
The fact is in Q2 2011 85million Windows PC's were sold.
And 6% of them were from Apple. A tremendous achievement when you consider that Apple doesn't even sell consumer 'PCs' in the price ranges most of those 85M were sold.
6% is great, but I look at those charts and 92% is a tad better.
Again, you ignore business models and basic economic understanding. Apple will never have 92% because they sell 'PCs', not an OS to sell to 'PC' makers, hence you are comparing different markets as if they are being sold the same way. What does HP, the largest PC maker in the world have; about 22% and little profit to show for it? You honestly think that's a better situation to be in?
Those number have barely moved in 10-15 years. I never said anything about profit, market share only.
Barely moved? Hasn't Apple tripled it's percentage of the total market, while the market has continued to grow expand thus requiring them to sell even faster than simply trying to triple their own sales. But that's beside the point, why are focusing on marketshare when Apple (and any well run company) is focusing on maximizing profits)? Why are you belittling Apple's dominant take over the 'PC' industry as if they are losers who should gracefully bow out of the game instead of trying to sell Macs?
Well I didn't consider flipping hamburgers as a real world job. Sure that doesn't require knowledge of Windows.
Glad to know that you think that hamburger flippers can be Mac consumers. :roll eyes:
Seriously, what industry segment aside from graphic design would you not need to know how to work with Windows computers?
Leaving aside that silly example of your stupidity above:
1) Academia
2) Advertising and promotion
3) Senior execs of major corporations
4) Media
5) Entertainment (incl. TV, movies, radio....)
6) Millions of normal smart, well-off people in their day-to-day lives
7) Schools
8) Public libraries
.......
Do you want me to go on?
More to the point, what pathetic non-Apple industry do you work in?