I would prefer to see Schiller do the presentation along with the other regular presenters regarding each or their related sections. I've seen Cook and he isn't as friendly as the others are on stage.
I agree with the Cook part. He seems sort of arrogant. Steve had an arrogant side as well but you could tell he was excited and genuinely enthusiastic about the work they were doing. He was devoted to giving Apple fans something to be proud of. With Cook it is all about the money so any excitement he may try to express is probably just fake.
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Is it really necessary for an ADMIN to call a member "Dumbass" when editing a post? I mean, really man. That just shows you really have no business being an admin @ AI at all. I think we all here are behind Apple and Steve Jobs 100%, but that was very poor judgement, lundy... very poor. \
Is it really necessary for an ADMIN to call a member "Dumbass" when editing a post? I mean, really man. That just shows you really have no business being an admin @ AI at all. I think we all here are behind Apple and Steve Jobs 100%, but that was very poor judgement, lundy... very poor. \
I thought it was pretty funny. Guy was new, though, so it's possible he hadn't seen the original thread with that image. Though if you're linking from TMZ, you'd think you'd do a little bit of research to see that they're full of crap.
You really REALLY want this to happen on the 27th!
What is your evidence for this, other than your long held belief? Did it start with a rumor that had no more solid evidence than the new ones?
Thompson
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Steve's departure IS very real, and with good reason. You don't think he would have stepped down if he isn't terribly ill do you? What do you think it will do to the stock if Steve puts in an appearance just for appearances sake, but his appearance is worse than not appearing at all?
It's time for people to just accept that Apple is Tim Cook's company and Tim Cook's show. If the stock sinks a bit because of nervous nelly investors, then so be it. Tim Cook and Steve Jobs are 100% focused on managing the company, not coddling the stock.
Thompson
I know it's real but there hasn't been a major presentation without Steve since he stepped down. For some people it will become very real only when a major event like the release of the iPhone 5 happens sans Steve. This is part of the acceptance process.
It was a benign comment... but thank you anyway for your lecture on Apple's stock price.
I doubt it. Steve Jobs doesn't work at Apple anymore. he's still a member of the board, but that's it.
If anything, Apple would be better off if they don't feature Jobs on the Keynote at all, just to prove once and for all that the company does need Steve to churn out amazing revolutionary products. (but we already know that of course)
I expect that Tim Cook will open the presentation saying everyone at Apple wishes Steve all the best, but that's it. Other than that everything will be presented by Apple Execs such as Tim, Scott and Phil.
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While I agree with the rest of your post, Steve is still an Apple employee and he is chairman of the board not a member of the board.
I don't agree with any of Lorre's post - starting off with two major false statements, going on to a serious syntactical mistake (saying does when he means doesn't), and going on with a statement that's highly arguable: that Steve Jobs is superfluous to Apple's continuing on the amazing course it's been on.
Depending on how involved Steve's role as "visionary" is from the COB slot, whenever it winds down, Apple has two choices as to how to proceed, 1. Ask "What would Steve do?" and try to do that (which is not "leadership" or "vision") or 2. Declare "This is the new Apple and our new leadership will now do this." Both pose perils because both are courses that are not Steve's - divination or reliance on an unknown vision coming from someone who didn't build the execution team.
Even if Steve's ogoing role from the COB seat is minimal and declining, they have great momentum and likely a fairly firm 2-3 year roadmp, but after that, we'll find out what the new guys are made of. And whether it's more "Steve-like" or more "new vision" - it's gonna be a very different corp in time.
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I expect that Tim Cook will open the presentation saying everyone at Apple wishes Steve all the best, but that's it.
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I doubt Jobs will make an appearance. Cook needs to demonstrate that he can run the show all by himself.
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No he doesn't. He's already proven that.
Really? When? He's proven he can run the logistics of a huge corporation, not that he can be an cultural icon who can sell ice in the arctic, sand in the desert, shit in an outhouse. And then envision the next thing he can anticipate the world buying in droves with no focus-grouping. We need to see more and more of Cook (if there's enough to see) as time passes, but it can be a gradual crossover yet.
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I would not be surprised if Steve Jobs is done putting in public appearances. His health is simply really that bad. :-(
Thompson
I wouldn't either, but how in the hell do you know that last? He might be or might not. More time off and less pressure may be doing him some good to the point he's feeling better than before and 10-15 minutes of stage time 2-3 times a year for a year or three might not be that taxing plus be worth literally billions in revenue - plus the intangible value of a sense that the visionary is still in charge of the "vision thing" would be priceless.
And while I truncated your quote, I agree that Steve loves what he does almost beyond measure. I know if it were me, and I knew my days were winding down, but that at the risk of losing a few of those lower quality times for a few more peak moments, no choice at all. I'm up on that stage, at least at some point in the proceedings.
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Are you happy now...
Frankly, whether the event happens on September 27th or October 4th, I'm not expecting it to be at Yerba Buena.
When Apple schedules a Tuesday event at Yerba Buena, they typically are setting up the Friday beforehand. The last event they had there, they had live public WiFi on the Friday when I walked by.
Realistically, they need a couple of days to set up, then one day for the execs to do dry runs, plus some time for teardown. YBCA would probably need a day on each side to clean the theatre for the next occupant. Apple's company mentality would not be to rush the setup which is why they are probably setting up Thursday-Friday-Saturday before a Tuesday event, giving their event staff Sunday off, with Monday dedicated to dry runs.
Most likely, this event will be at their own town hall facility in Cupertino.
I used to think that way, but you should think business instead: when could there possibly be a better time for Jobs to step down than right before the release of the iPhone 5? He returned to Apple when the stock was worthless. He left when the company was the most valuable in the world and about to release a product that'll take it even higher. There couldn't possibly have been a better time for him to leave Apple and focus on his family and his health while basking in the glow of all that he built.
That sounds all fine and well as motivation for many people, perhaps you and perhaps me, but it just doesn't fit the image I have of Steve Jobs. I think he never basks. I think he continues working until he can no longer work, and then, perhaps even a bit longer than he should. That's just the read I get on him. Not to mention the evidence over the last several years. I agree he is focusing on his health, but I don't think it is without dire implications. Don't get me wrong. I am not a basher, and I am not a pessimist. In fact, I am long AAPL, and am a humanist that wishes only well upon Steve and his family. But I am a realist too, and I think that a large number of Apple fans, and others worldwide, are somewhat in denial about the situation.
True, Tim has proven that... but when Tim presents the iPhone 5 without Steve it'll make Steve's departure very real... and then the stock will sink 2%...
If memory serves, the stock rarely goes on the day of the Show-n-Tell. Often, there's even a dip due to profit taking. The stock shine period is now, as witnessed in the run in the last while.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
I know it's real but there hasn't been a major presentation without Steve since he stepped down.
Wait a minute. In January Steve stepped down pseudo-temporarily (indefinite leave of absence) and then he's made a few public appearances, including the ones to which you refer. But he has not been seen in public since he permanently stepped down, citing being unable to perform. Heck, most mere mortals would have quit months, if not years, ago.
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For some people it will become very real only when a major event like the release of the iPhone 5 happens sans Steve. This is part of the acceptance process.
Well, given the events that have unfolded over the years, I would say that those "some people" you mention are in serious denial. If Steve Jobs shows up at any future public Apple event, I'll come back to this thread - or even a more up-to-date one at the time - and admit I was wrong.
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It was a benign comment... but thank you anyway for your lecture on Apple's stock price.
You mentioned the stock would tank 2% for a Steve Jobs no-show, and I thought that it warranted a response. The response was relatively brief, compared to some dissertations I've seen on this board, so it hardly qualifies as a lecture.
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Are you happy now...
Sorry. I saw all of these other people really pressing the September 27th thing, and somehow, I got you mixed up with one of the others who is staunchly proposing that date.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
I agree, but it assumes that he is in steady health. How likely do you consider that scenario to be?
I agree, but it assumes that he is in steady health. How likely do you consider that scenario to be?
Thompson
Hmmmmm... above you said that people have to accept that Steve is gone as CEO. How would this help people accept Steve's resignation as CEO. Not at all. Steve is the Chair now and it's best that he stays away from the stage.
His appearance at WWDC was "One More Thing". Thank you, Steve.
I wouldn't either, but how in the hell do you know that last?
I absolutely don't know that last sentence was true. It was meant to be a carryover from the tone of the previous sentence, that being, "I wouldn't be surprised if...". I should have started the next sentence with "I fear that".
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More time off and less pressure may be doing him some good to the point he's feeling better than before...
I think that if you objectively consider the evidence, such as...
? the original bout with cancer (yes, I realize it was the rarer - less aggressive -kind)
? the Whipple procedure it necessitated (which itself carries risk of permanent problems)
? the liver transplant
? the massive weight loss
? an indefinite leave-of-absence, and
? finally a permanent step down
... the likelihood that more time off will do the trick is not strong. I'm hopeful, but let's be realistic.
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...and 10-15 minutes of stage time 2-3 times a year for a year or three might not be that taxing plus be worth literally billions in revenue - plus the intangible value of a sense that the visionary is still in charge of the "vision thing" would be priceless.
Sure, it would be priceless. From your lips to God's ears, I hope, because AAPL is the primary position in my IRA. But mostly, I wish it for the sake of Steve first, his family and loved ones second, and the world (and all of the cool things he has yet to bring it) third.
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And while I truncated your quote, I agree that Steve loves what he does almost beyond measure. I know if it were me, and I knew my days were winding down, but that at the risk of losing a few of those lower quality times for a few more peak moments, no choice at all. I'm up on that stage, at least at some point in the proceedings.
... even if you look like those stupid Photoshopped pictures and had to be wheeled onstage or held up for it? Steve doesn't enjoy being in the limelight just for the sake of it, adulation and/or stock price be damned. He is a private person, but he shines onstage whenever there is something else "insanely great" to put the spotlight on. To be brought onstage for the purposes you mention just doesn't sound like his MO.
Hmmmmm... above you said that people have to accept that Steve is gone as CEO. How would this help people accept Steve's resignation as CEO.
Take my response in context and with what I have been saying in my other posts. I agreed that it would be cool under the assumption that Steve is in steady health. My earlier replies to you (and every one else on this thread so far) is that all evidence points to a strong likelihood that Steve is NOT in steady health. Perhaps I should not have ended with a rhetorical question. But I figured that by now you know my belief regarding Steve's health and the likelihood of a healthy Steve ever appearing again.
Let me take another crack at the earlier response to the other poster by turning it around...
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The coolest scenario:
Tim Cook and gang do the show-n-tell.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
Well it's not likely that Jobs is in steady health, so your scenario, as cool as it might be, seems like a pipe dream. If Jobs were in steady health, I think it's fairly clear that he wouldn't have stepped down to begin with. So I think that the ultimate coolest scenario would be that he does regain his health and makes his presence felt as an Apple visionary for a very very long time. I just don't see it happening.
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Not at all. Steve is the Chair now and it's best that he stays away from the stage.
His appearance at WWDC was "One More Thing". Thank you, Steve.
It would be a better message to send if it was a team presentation rather than an all Tim Cook show. Since all the last few were team presentations, I would expect more of that.
Yeah, I didn't really mean to imply that it should be a one-man show. Even Jobs in the last few years have been emphasizing the involvement of other Apple execs.
I absolutely don't know that last sentence was true. It was meant to be a carryover from the tone of the previous sentence, that being, "I wouldn't be surprised if...". I should have started the next sentence with "I fear that".
I think that if you objectively consider the evidence, such as...
• the original bout with cancer (yes, I realize it was the rarer - less aggressive -kind)
• the Whipple procedure it necessitated (which itself carries risk of permanent problems)
• the liver transplant
• the massive weight loss
• an indefinite leave-of-absence, and
• finally a permanent step down
... the likelihood that more time off will do the trick is not strong. I'm hopeful, but let's be realistic.
I saw an interview with an oncologist who stated that there's a fairly wide range of prognoses given what's been released, and that even given what's publically known, he might not be exactly at death's door, nor in a state of continual decline. So that's all I have to go on. (Except for second-hand reports of the occasional sighting by my friend's daughter who lives in his hood and has kids about the same age, and nothing up to date from her.)
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... even if you look like those stupid Photoshopped pictures and had to be wheeled onstage or held up for it?
Of course not. If he can't be Steve, no way. But if he can pull it together.......
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Steve doesn't enjoy being in the limelight just for the sake of it, adulation and/or stock price be damned. He is a private person, but he shines onstage whenever there is something else "insanely great" to put the spotlight on. To be brought onstage for the purposes you mention just doesn't sound like his MO.
I'm a performing artist myself - and it's not about the adulation to me (it may have been when I started, but long past that now) - rather the sharing of something worth sharing which will hopefully bring some joy, warmth and insight into the world. And whether it's poetry in words for 50 or 100 people (or 2) - or poetry in aluminum, glass, silicon and code that will reach millions, I'm sure the feeling's much the same.
And personally, I'd love to get up, do a great performance, feel engaged with the audience, and then keel over and die instantly (discreetly off-stage from a heart attack or stroke) as an ideal last day, rather than declining in a bed as I wasted away (last days being something I'm contemplating now and again now that I'm in my later 60's).
I saw an interview with an oncologist who stated that there's a fairly wide range of prognoses given what's been released, and that even given what's publically known, he might not be exactly at death's door, nor in a state of continual decline. So that's all I have to go on.
Well, fair enough from a clinical perspective, I suppose. But I doubt that an oncologist also picks up on, or even gives any credence to, the other clues, the ones more attached to Steve Jobs' work history. I think when you put it all together, it paints a pretty bleak picture.
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(Except for second-hand reports of the occasional sighting by my friend's daughter who lives in his hood and has kids about the same age, and nothing up to date from her.)
There was a recent article by a woman that fits precisely that description. Her article was a sobering one. (If I could remember the name of either author or title, I would Google it...)
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I'm a performing artist myself - and it's not about the adulation to me (it may have been when I started, but long past that now) - rather the sharing of something worth sharing which will hopefully bring some joy, warmth and insight into the world. And whether it's poetry in words for 50 or 100 people (or 2) - or poetry in aluminum, glass, silicon and code that will reach millions, I'm sure the feeling's much the same.
No doubt. But if the performance is something different than what you do - indeed, if it is a performance in which all you do is make an appearance just for the sake of it - and if you were typically a very private person, then I think the comparison would be more accurate. While Steve Jobs certainly gave a lot of great performances, I don't think he considered himself a performer. It was just never the point.
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And personally, I'd love to get up, do a great performance, feel engaged with the audience, and then keel over and die (discreetly off-stage) as an ideal last day, rather than declining in a bed as I wasted away.
I get it... it's just that you don't always have such a choice.
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I would prefer to see Schiller do the presentation along with the other regular presenters regarding each or their related sections. I've seen Cook and he isn't as friendly as the others are on stage.
I agree with the Cook part. He seems sort of arrogant. Steve had an arrogant side as well but you could tell he was excited and genuinely enthusiastic about the work they were doing. He was devoted to giving Apple fans something to be proud of. With Cook it is all about the money so any excitement he may try to express is probably just fake.
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Is it really necessary for an ADMIN to call a member "Dumbass" when editing a post? I mean, really man. That just shows you really have no business being an admin @ AI at all. I think we all here are behind Apple and Steve Jobs 100%, but that was very poor judgement, lundy... very poor.
Is it really necessary for an ADMIN to call a member "Dumbass" when editing a post? I mean, really man. That just shows you really have no business being an admin @ AI at all. I think we all here are behind Apple and Steve Jobs 100%, but that was very poor judgement, lundy... very poor.
I thought it was pretty funny. Guy was new, though, so it's possible he hadn't seen the original thread with that image. Though if you're linking from TMZ, you'd think you'd do a little bit of research to see that they're full of crap.
You really REALLY want this to happen on the 27th!
What is your evidence for this, other than your long held belief? Did it start with a rumor that had no more solid evidence than the new ones?
Thompson
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Are you happy now...
Steve's departure IS very real, and with good reason. You don't think he would have stepped down if he isn't terribly ill do you? What do you think it will do to the stock if Steve puts in an appearance just for appearances sake, but his appearance is worse than not appearing at all?
It's time for people to just accept that Apple is Tim Cook's company and Tim Cook's show. If the stock sinks a bit because of nervous nelly investors, then so be it. Tim Cook and Steve Jobs are 100% focused on managing the company, not coddling the stock.
Thompson
I know it's real but there hasn't been a major presentation without Steve since he stepped down. For some people it will become very real only when a major event like the release of the iPhone 5 happens sans Steve. This is part of the acceptance process.
It was a benign comment... but thank you anyway for your lecture on Apple's stock price.
I doubt it. Steve Jobs doesn't work at Apple anymore. he's still a member of the board, but that's it.
If anything, Apple would be better off if they don't feature Jobs on the Keynote at all, just to prove once and for all that the company does need Steve to churn out amazing revolutionary products. (but we already know that of course)
I expect that Tim Cook will open the presentation saying everyone at Apple wishes Steve all the best, but that's it. Other than that everything will be presented by Apple Execs such as Tim, Scott and Phil.
While I agree with the rest of your post, Steve is still an Apple employee and he is chairman of the board not a member of the board.
I don't agree with any of Lorre's post - starting off with two major false statements, going on to a serious syntactical mistake (saying does when he means doesn't), and going on with a statement that's highly arguable: that Steve Jobs is superfluous to Apple's continuing on the amazing course it's been on.
Depending on how involved Steve's role as "visionary" is from the COB slot, whenever it winds down, Apple has two choices as to how to proceed, 1. Ask "What would Steve do?" and try to do that (which is not "leadership" or "vision") or 2. Declare "This is the new Apple and our new leadership will now do this." Both pose perils because both are courses that are not Steve's - divination or reliance on an unknown vision coming from someone who didn't build the execution team.
Even if Steve's ogoing role from the COB seat is minimal and declining, they have great momentum and likely a fairly firm 2-3 year roadmp, but after that, we'll find out what the new guys are made of. And whether it's more "Steve-like" or more "new vision" - it's gonna be a very different corp in time.
I expect that Tim Cook will open the presentation saying everyone at Apple wishes Steve all the best, but that's it.
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I doubt Jobs will make an appearance. Cook needs to demonstrate that he can run the show all by himself.
No he doesn't. He's already proven that.
Really? When? He's proven he can run the logistics of a huge corporation, not that he can be an cultural icon who can sell ice in the arctic, sand in the desert, shit in an outhouse. And then envision the next thing he can anticipate the world buying in droves with no focus-grouping. We need to see more and more of Cook (if there's enough to see) as time passes, but it can be a gradual crossover yet.
I would not be surprised if Steve Jobs is done putting in public appearances. His health is simply really that bad. :-(
Thompson
I wouldn't either, but how in the hell do you know that last? He might be or might not. More time off and less pressure may be doing him some good to the point he's feeling better than before and 10-15 minutes of stage time 2-3 times a year for a year or three might not be that taxing plus be worth literally billions in revenue - plus the intangible value of a sense that the visionary is still in charge of the "vision thing" would be priceless.
And while I truncated your quote, I agree that Steve loves what he does almost beyond measure. I know if it were me, and I knew my days were winding down, but that at the risk of losing a few of those lower quality times for a few more peak moments, no choice at all. I'm up on that stage, at least at some point in the proceedings.
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Are you happy now...
Frankly, whether the event happens on September 27th or October 4th, I'm not expecting it to be at Yerba Buena.
When Apple schedules a Tuesday event at Yerba Buena, they typically are setting up the Friday beforehand. The last event they had there, they had live public WiFi on the Friday when I walked by.
Realistically, they need a couple of days to set up, then one day for the execs to do dry runs, plus some time for teardown. YBCA would probably need a day on each side to clean the theatre for the next occupant. Apple's company mentality would not be to rush the setup which is why they are probably setting up Thursday-Friday-Saturday before a Tuesday event, giving their event staff Sunday off, with Monday dedicated to dry runs.
Most likely, this event will be at their own town hall facility in Cupertino.
Hmm, "October 5" = "10-5" (in American nomenclature), which looks just like "iOS".
I'm off to the Vatican to find the next clue!
You go get 'em, Robert Langdon!
I used to think that way, but you should think business instead: when could there possibly be a better time for Jobs to step down than right before the release of the iPhone 5? He returned to Apple when the stock was worthless. He left when the company was the most valuable in the world and about to release a product that'll take it even higher. There couldn't possibly have been a better time for him to leave Apple and focus on his family and his health while basking in the glow of all that he built.
That sounds all fine and well as motivation for many people, perhaps you and perhaps me, but it just doesn't fit the image I have of Steve Jobs. I think he never basks. I think he continues working until he can no longer work, and then, perhaps even a bit longer than he should. That's just the read I get on him. Not to mention the evidence over the last several years. I agree he is focusing on his health, but I don't think it is without dire implications. Don't get me wrong. I am not a basher, and I am not a pessimist. In fact, I am long AAPL, and am a humanist that wishes only well upon Steve and his family. But I am a realist too, and I think that a large number of Apple fans, and others worldwide, are somewhat in denial about the situation.
Thompson
True, Tim has proven that... but when Tim presents the iPhone 5 without Steve it'll make Steve's departure very real... and then the stock will sink 2%...
If memory serves, the stock rarely goes on the day of the Show-n-Tell. Often, there's even a dip due to profit taking. The stock shine period is now, as witnessed in the run in the last while.
Tim Cook and gang do the show-n-tell.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
I know it's real but there hasn't been a major presentation without Steve since he stepped down.
Wait a minute. In January Steve stepped down pseudo-temporarily (indefinite leave of absence) and then he's made a few public appearances, including the ones to which you refer. But he has not been seen in public since he permanently stepped down, citing being unable to perform. Heck, most mere mortals would have quit months, if not years, ago.
For some people it will become very real only when a major event like the release of the iPhone 5 happens sans Steve. This is part of the acceptance process.
Well, given the events that have unfolded over the years, I would say that those "some people" you mention are in serious denial. If Steve Jobs shows up at any future public Apple event, I'll come back to this thread - or even a more up-to-date one at the time - and admit I was wrong.
It was a benign comment... but thank you anyway for your lecture on Apple's stock price.
You mentioned the stock would tank 2% for a Steve Jobs no-show, and I thought that it warranted a response. The response was relatively brief, compared to some dissertations I've seen on this board, so it hardly qualifies as a lecture.
Thompson
Not sure why but you sound like you're trying to pick a fight.
I don't really give a shit when it happens... but I just picked a time that sounded right to me. I provided some evidence that the Yerba was being closed down on the 27th and hadn't seen a notice like that for any of the other days..
Are you happy now...
Sorry. I saw all of these other people really pressing the September 27th thing, and somehow, I got you mixed up with one of the others who is staunchly proposing that date.
Thompson
The coolest scenario:
Tim Cook and gang do the show-n-tell.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
I agree, but it assumes that he is in steady health. How likely do you consider that scenario to be?
Thompson
I agree, but it assumes that he is in steady health. How likely do you consider that scenario to be?
Thompson
Hmmmmm... above you said that people have to accept that Steve is gone as CEO. How would this help people accept Steve's resignation as CEO. Not at all. Steve is the Chair now and it's best that he stays away from the stage.
His appearance at WWDC was "One More Thing". Thank you, Steve.
Move over Steve, and let Timi take over...
I wouldn't either, but how in the hell do you know that last?
I absolutely don't know that last sentence was true. It was meant to be a carryover from the tone of the previous sentence, that being, "I wouldn't be surprised if...". I should have started the next sentence with "I fear that".
More time off and less pressure may be doing him some good to the point he's feeling better than before...
I think that if you objectively consider the evidence, such as...
? the original bout with cancer (yes, I realize it was the rarer - less aggressive -kind)
? the Whipple procedure it necessitated (which itself carries risk of permanent problems)
? the liver transplant
? the massive weight loss
? an indefinite leave-of-absence, and
? finally a permanent step down
... the likelihood that more time off will do the trick is not strong. I'm hopeful, but let's be realistic.
...and 10-15 minutes of stage time 2-3 times a year for a year or three might not be that taxing plus be worth literally billions in revenue - plus the intangible value of a sense that the visionary is still in charge of the "vision thing" would be priceless.
Sure, it would be priceless. From your lips to God's ears, I hope, because AAPL is the primary position in my IRA. But mostly, I wish it for the sake of Steve first, his family and loved ones second, and the world (and all of the cool things he has yet to bring it) third.
And while I truncated your quote, I agree that Steve loves what he does almost beyond measure. I know if it were me, and I knew my days were winding down, but that at the risk of losing a few of those lower quality times for a few more peak moments, no choice at all. I'm up on that stage, at least at some point in the proceedings.
... even if you look like those stupid Photoshopped pictures and had to be wheeled onstage or held up for it? Steve doesn't enjoy being in the limelight just for the sake of it, adulation and/or stock price be damned. He is a private person, but he shines onstage whenever there is something else "insanely great" to put the spotlight on. To be brought onstage for the purposes you mention just doesn't sound like his MO.
Thompson
Hmmmmm... above you said that people have to accept that Steve is gone as CEO. How would this help people accept Steve's resignation as CEO.
Take my response in context and with what I have been saying in my other posts. I agreed that it would be cool under the assumption that Steve is in steady health. My earlier replies to you (and every one else on this thread so far) is that all evidence points to a strong likelihood that Steve is NOT in steady health. Perhaps I should not have ended with a rhetorical question. But I figured that by now you know my belief regarding Steve's health and the likelihood of a healthy Steve ever appearing again.
Let me take another crack at the earlier response to the other poster by turning it around...
The coolest scenario:
Tim Cook and gang do the show-n-tell.
Then, as the "one more thing", Steve Jobs comes out to say hi. This way, no thunder is stolen from Cook. But hearts glow everywhere as we all see Jobs in steady health. I bet even folks in the GooglePlex and Redmond would enjoy that one more thing.
Well it's not likely that Jobs is in steady health, so your scenario, as cool as it might be, seems like a pipe dream. If Jobs were in steady health, I think it's fairly clear that he wouldn't have stepped down to begin with. So I think that the ultimate coolest scenario would be that he does regain his health and makes his presence felt as an Apple visionary for a very very long time. I just don't see it happening.
Not at all. Steve is the Chair now and it's best that he stays away from the stage.
His appearance at WWDC was "One More Thing". Thank you, Steve.
Move over Steve, and let Timi take over...
Agreed.
Thompson
It would be a better message to send if it was a team presentation rather than an all Tim Cook show. Since all the last few were team presentations, I would expect more of that.
Yeah, I didn't really mean to imply that it should be a one-man show. Even Jobs in the last few years have been emphasizing the involvement of other Apple execs.
I absolutely don't know that last sentence was true. It was meant to be a carryover from the tone of the previous sentence, that being, "I wouldn't be surprised if...". I should have started the next sentence with "I fear that".
I think that if you objectively consider the evidence, such as...
• the original bout with cancer (yes, I realize it was the rarer - less aggressive -kind)
• the Whipple procedure it necessitated (which itself carries risk of permanent problems)
• the liver transplant
• the massive weight loss
• an indefinite leave-of-absence, and
• finally a permanent step down
... the likelihood that more time off will do the trick is not strong. I'm hopeful, but let's be realistic.
I saw an interview with an oncologist who stated that there's a fairly wide range of prognoses given what's been released, and that even given what's publically known, he might not be exactly at death's door, nor in a state of continual decline. So that's all I have to go on. (Except for second-hand reports of the occasional sighting by my friend's daughter who lives in his hood and has kids about the same age, and nothing up to date from her.)
... even if you look like those stupid Photoshopped pictures and had to be wheeled onstage or held up for it?
Of course not. If he can't be Steve, no way. But if he can pull it together.......
Steve doesn't enjoy being in the limelight just for the sake of it, adulation and/or stock price be damned. He is a private person, but he shines onstage whenever there is something else "insanely great" to put the spotlight on. To be brought onstage for the purposes you mention just doesn't sound like his MO.
I'm a performing artist myself - and it's not about the adulation to me (it may have been when I started, but long past that now) - rather the sharing of something worth sharing which will hopefully bring some joy, warmth and insight into the world. And whether it's poetry in words for 50 or 100 people (or 2) - or poetry in aluminum, glass, silicon and code that will reach millions, I'm sure the feeling's much the same.
And personally, I'd love to get up, do a great performance, feel engaged with the audience, and then keel over and die instantly (discreetly off-stage from a heart attack or stroke) as an ideal last day, rather than declining in a bed as I wasted away (last days being something I'm contemplating now and again now that I'm in my later 60's).
I saw an interview with an oncologist who stated that there's a fairly wide range of prognoses given what's been released, and that even given what's publically known, he might not be exactly at death's door, nor in a state of continual decline. So that's all I have to go on.
Well, fair enough from a clinical perspective, I suppose. But I doubt that an oncologist also picks up on, or even gives any credence to, the other clues, the ones more attached to Steve Jobs' work history. I think when you put it all together, it paints a pretty bleak picture.
(Except for second-hand reports of the occasional sighting by my friend's daughter who lives in his hood and has kids about the same age, and nothing up to date from her.)
There was a recent article by a woman that fits precisely that description. Her article was a sobering one. (If I could remember the name of either author or title, I would Google it...)
I'm a performing artist myself - and it's not about the adulation to me (it may have been when I started, but long past that now) - rather the sharing of something worth sharing which will hopefully bring some joy, warmth and insight into the world. And whether it's poetry in words for 50 or 100 people (or 2) - or poetry in aluminum, glass, silicon and code that will reach millions, I'm sure the feeling's much the same.
No doubt. But if the performance is something different than what you do - indeed, if it is a performance in which all you do is make an appearance just for the sake of it - and if you were typically a very private person, then I think the comparison would be more accurate. While Steve Jobs certainly gave a lot of great performances, I don't think he considered himself a performer. It was just never the point.
And personally, I'd love to get up, do a great performance, feel engaged with the audience, and then keel over and die (discreetly off-stage) as an ideal last day, rather than declining in a bed as I wasted away.
I get it... it's just that you don't always have such a choice.
Thompson