I really hope this competition forces Apple to reconsider the 7" form factor. An iPad Nano or iPad light with 7" screen, no GPS or camera would be great and could really compete in this space. Or if they don't want to make Steve look bad for bashing the 7" form factor they could call it an iPod Touch HD. I would love to have something like this in my house. And with an iTunes library that is now cresting 1 Terabyte in size with ~100 apps in it I really don't want to repurchase apps for a different device.
Bottom line is that competition is good and I really hope Tim steps up to this tablet challenger.
If, by "competition" you mean throw everything at the wall and desperately hope something sticks, then I hope you are sorely disappointed by Tim Cook.
now that I actually watched the video and saw some quotes...
"It wasn?t overly explicit, but Jeff Bezos took a pretty big shot at Apple and the iPad this morning while introducing the new Kindle Fire: he flashed a photo of Apple?s white USB cable, called syncing and backup a ?broken model,? and went on to emphasize the Fire?s Whispersync cloud storage capabilities."
Does he know that Apple is days away from removing sync themselves? Did he set himself up to have his thunder stolen? WTH is he thinking?
This could well stop me getting an ipad. I want a tablet for viewing content and lying on the sofa web browsing. For less than half the price I can get something that pretty much meets my needs from amazon.
I'm guessing the operative words here are "pretty much meets my needs".
I think the proper phrase is "doesn't directly compete ..."
The Amazon tablet is aimed at a different end user, but this same end user has up until now been buying iPads at lest some of the time. So if you are buying an iPad and just using it for reading and playing the occasional game then you might the tempted to use this device instead. It doesn't do as much, but it's cheaper.
It doesn't "directly compete" because what it does is just a subset of what the iPad can potentially do. At the same time, recent studies have shown that a lot of iPad buyers do regard them as "toys" and do primarily use them just for reading and playing the occasional game.
I don't think it's right to say that the two devices compete or don't compete. The situation is more complicated than that.
In terms of iPad sales, I would say that some sales will indeed be stolen by "dumb" or "locked" tablets like Amazon's as tablet's gain popularity in general. But the iPad is still stealing sales away from netbooks and laptops on the other end and operating in markets that the Amazon tablet will never be in. The markets for each overlap, but don't directly compete.
It is not unlike netbooks and tablets. While they don't directly compete, a lot of people were using netbooks simply because they didn't have other option... until iPad came out. Now... how many people are using iPad simply because they don't have other option (considering that Android tablets are in the same price range)?
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
I feel bad that you can't see the difference between the Samsung and Amazon or how your post is proof that the so-called Apple fanboy isn't claiming any tablet competitor to the iPad is rip off of Apple. I have feeling that if someone points at something you quizzically look at their finger.
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
Good try.
Why? Lets see, because you want apps, because you have Apple tunes already, because you want a larger screen, because you dislike the android interface, because you know that "dual core" doesn't automatically mean faster....
You get the picture yet?
And you do know the movies and apps aren't free, right?
Also, you can even check out books from the local public library with an iPad....
Seriously, personally, I think it is going to be a great device. I think Amazon just made the tablet market a two company game. Good for them. I may even buy one.
But you just successfully made the worst argument yet for getting one. Quit while you are behind...
I feel bad that you can't see the difference between the Samsung and Amazon or how your post is proof that the so-called Apple fanboy isn't claiming any tablet competitor to the iPad is rip off of Apple. I have feeling that if someone points at something you quizzically look at their finger.
Independent my ass. The same arguments can be made for the Kindle Fire as it was made for the Galaxy Tab.
The descriptions speaks for themselves.
Apple used those very words to describe how similar the Galaxy Tab was to the iPad.
Why? Lets see, because you want apps, because you have Apple tunes already, because you want a larger screen, because you dislike the android interface, because you know that "dual core" doesn't automatically mean faster....
You get the picture yet?
And you do know the movies and apps aren't free, right?
Also, you can even check out books from the local public library with an iPad....
Seriously, personally, I think it is going to be a great device. I think Amazon just made the tablet market a two company game. Good for them. I may even buy one.
But you just successfully made the worst argument yet for getting one. Quit while you are behind...
Worst argument? I call them facts.
Not all everyone has iTunes.
The interface for Amazon is a completely overhauled version and has no relation to Android what so ever when it comes to UI.
It is completely Amazon's own. I would even go far as to say that the UI on the Kindle Fire is more simple than the iPad.
Who said the movies were free?
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all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system.
Exact words that I typed. No where do I reference the movies or songs were free but rather the system that runs all those contents were free.
Guess English isnt your first language.
Also, let me state by saying that YOUR argument was the worst yet for NOT getting one.
On reflection, no amount of convincing arguments would turn a fanboy of a rival company into convert, so whats the point?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Maybe we feel that we should give companies that deserve a fighting chance a fighting chance?
Though, again, I guess it IS Android-based.
What a great way of discriminating companies so easily.
So tell me, what critieria does a company must meet to fall under the "deserve a fighting chance" banner?
You wanna know my answer? Those who wont directly compete with Apple is what, as those that do have been under litigation.
Independent my ass. The same arguments can be made for the Kindle Fire as it was made for the Galaxy Tab.
The descriptions speaks for themselves.
Apple used those very words to describe how similar the Galaxy Tab was to the iPad.
So now it's not about consumers having an independent observation vis a vis opinion about products but you adhering to an generic patent definition that no one on this forum ever cared about or agreed with? Sounds like you're the unobjective fanboy here.
I will get to that after the design argument is panned out.
So I take it you are in agreement with me since you are moving onto another topic?
1) I am agreement with reasonable people that Samsung has blatantly stolen Apple's HW and UI designs whilst Amazon has created something that can't be confused with an Apple product at first glance.
2) You can't hold more than one text-based conversations at a time?
I'm surprised none of you mention its a direct copy of the iPad.
Rounded corners, flat even borders all around, with a touch screen interface.
What gives?
Is this a double standard?
So why don't you fill us in on how the entire SIX points the German judge used when reaching a decision on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 relate to the Kindle Fire?
You know, to show you aren't just another run of the mill, tiresome, "OMG Apple patented the rectangle!!!" troll.
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
Good try.
Here's your answer:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetz
Some points to keep in mind:
1) This thing has no mic or camera. So it won't support apps like Skype.
2) The Amazon Appstore (6 countries?) and all their various media services are still not available everywhere.
3) Kindle Games are US only I believe.
4) Amazon Prime is US only
5) It won't have the most popular apps on Android: all the Google apps (Maps, GMail, Gtalk, Google Earth)..
And an iPad is small enough to take anywhere, even if it's not as small as the Fire.
Dick, I think the iPad 2 as a lower-cost model next year, ala the iPhone line-up, would be the way to go if Apple were going down that route. But a refurb iPad 1 @ $299 is currently a good alternative to the Fire, particularly if want to be able to do a bit more (especially on the app side) and you're already in the iTunes "echo system"
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I really hope this competition forces Apple to reconsider the 7" form factor. An iPad Nano or iPad light with 7" screen, no GPS or camera would be great and could really compete in this space. Or if they don't want to make Steve look bad for bashing the 7" form factor they could call it an iPod Touch HD. I would love to have something like this in my house. And with an iTunes library that is now cresting 1 Terabyte in size with ~100 apps in it I really don't want to repurchase apps for a different device.
Bottom line is that competition is good and I really hope Tim steps up to this tablet challenger.
If, by "competition" you mean throw everything at the wall and desperately hope something sticks, then I hope you are sorely disappointed by Tim Cook.
"It wasn?t overly explicit, but Jeff Bezos took a pretty big shot at Apple and the iPad this morning while introducing the new Kindle Fire: he flashed a photo of Apple?s white USB cable, called syncing and backup a ?broken model,? and went on to emphasize the Fire?s Whispersync cloud storage capabilities."
Does he know that Apple is days away from removing sync themselves? Did he set himself up to have his thunder stolen? WTH is he thinking?
This could well stop me getting an ipad. I want a tablet for viewing content and lying on the sofa web browsing. For less than half the price I can get something that pretty much meets my needs from amazon.
I'm guessing the operative words here are "pretty much meets my needs".
I think the proper phrase is "doesn't directly compete ..."
The Amazon tablet is aimed at a different end user, but this same end user has up until now been buying iPads at lest some of the time. So if you are buying an iPad and just using it for reading and playing the occasional game then you might the tempted to use this device instead. It doesn't do as much, but it's cheaper.
It doesn't "directly compete" because what it does is just a subset of what the iPad can potentially do. At the same time, recent studies have shown that a lot of iPad buyers do regard them as "toys" and do primarily use them just for reading and playing the occasional game.
I don't think it's right to say that the two devices compete or don't compete. The situation is more complicated than that.
In terms of iPad sales, I would say that some sales will indeed be stolen by "dumb" or "locked" tablets like Amazon's as tablet's gain popularity in general. But the iPad is still stealing sales away from netbooks and laptops on the other end and operating in markets that the Amazon tablet will never be in. The markets for each overlap, but don't directly compete.
It is not unlike netbooks and tablets. While they don't directly compete, a lot of people were using netbooks simply because they didn't have other option... until iPad came out. Now... how many people are using iPad simply because they don't have other option (considering that Android tablets are in the same price range)?
Or, for the price of a refurb 16 GB WiFi iPad 1 you get:
$299 iPad 1
-Free 5 GB iCloud storage
-Free unlimited iCloud storage for purchased iTunes (and you don't have to spend hours/days uploading your music)
-Free unlimited iCloud storage for purchased Apps
What is iCloud?
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
Good try.
Rounded corners, flat even borders all around, with a touch screen interface.
What gives?
Is this a double standard?
I'm surprised none of you mention its a direct copy of the iPad.
Rounded corners, flat even borders all around, with a touch screen interface.
What gives?
Is this a double standard?
Maybe we feel that we should give companies that deserve a fighting chance a fighting chance?
Though, again, I guess it IS Android-based.
I'm surprised none of you mention its a direct copy of the iPad.
Rounded corners, flat even borders all around, with a touch screen interface.
What gives?
Is this a double standard?
You honestly can't see how this is an independent design compared to this crap from Samsung?I feel bad that you can't see the difference between the Samsung and Amazon or how your post is proof that the so-called Apple fanboy isn't claiming any tablet competitor to the iPad is rip off of Apple. I have feeling that if someone points at something you quizzically look at their finger.
Maybe we feel that we should give companies that deserve a fighting chance a fighting chance?
Though, again, I guess it IS Android-based.
I suspect even the most faithful of fans is growing tired of the daily beat of patent infringement claims, design lawsuits and general saber-rattling.
Honestly it's tiresome. Nobody is going to "win" and everyone's reputation ends up damaged in some way.
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
Good try.
Why? Lets see, because you want apps, because you have Apple tunes already, because you want a larger screen, because you dislike the android interface, because you know that "dual core" doesn't automatically mean faster....
You get the picture yet?
And you do know the movies and apps aren't free, right?
Also, you can even check out books from the local public library with an iPad....
Seriously, personally, I think it is going to be a great device. I think Amazon just made the tablet market a two company game. Good for them. I may even buy one.
But you just successfully made the worst argument yet for getting one. Quit while you are behind...
I suspect even the most faithful of fans is growing tired of the daily beat of patent infringement claims, design lawsuits and general saber-rattling.
Honestly it's tiresome. Nobody is going to "win" and everyone's reputation ends up damaged in some way.
Actually, most of us are just tired of the daily patented Apple bashing trolls. STFU.
Actually, most of us are just tired of the daily patented Apple bashing trolls. STFU.
You might take a few minutes and read thru this thread. Pay particular attention to the definition of egregious trolls.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=133031
You honestly can't see how this is an independent design compared to this crap from Samsung?I feel bad that you can't see the difference between the Samsung and Amazon or how your post is proof that the so-called Apple fanboy isn't claiming any tablet competitor to the iPad is rip off of Apple. I have feeling that if someone points at something you quizzically look at their finger.
Independent my ass. The same arguments can be made for the Kindle Fire as it was made for the Galaxy Tab.
The descriptions speaks for themselves.
Apple used those very words to describe how similar the Galaxy Tab was to the iPad.
Why? Lets see, because you want apps, because you have Apple tunes already, because you want a larger screen, because you dislike the android interface, because you know that "dual core" doesn't automatically mean faster....
You get the picture yet?
And you do know the movies and apps aren't free, right?
Also, you can even check out books from the local public library with an iPad....
Seriously, personally, I think it is going to be a great device. I think Amazon just made the tablet market a two company game. Good for them. I may even buy one.
But you just successfully made the worst argument yet for getting one. Quit while you are behind...
Worst argument? I call them facts.
Not all everyone has iTunes.
The interface for Amazon is a completely overhauled version and has no relation to Android what so ever when it comes to UI.
It is completely Amazon's own. I would even go far as to say that the UI on the Kindle Fire is more simple than the iPad.
Who said the movies were free?
all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system.
Exact words that I typed. No where do I reference the movies or songs were free but rather the system that runs all those contents were free.
Guess English isnt your first language.
Also, let me state by saying that YOUR argument was the worst yet for NOT getting one.
On reflection, no amount of convincing arguments would turn a fanboy of a rival company into convert, so whats the point?
Maybe we feel that we should give companies that deserve a fighting chance a fighting chance?
Though, again, I guess it IS Android-based.
What a great way of discriminating companies so easily.
So tell me, what critieria does a company must meet to fall under the "deserve a fighting chance" banner?
You wanna know my answer? Those who wont directly compete with Apple is what, as those that do have been under litigation.
Independent my ass. The same arguments can be made for the Kindle Fire as it was made for the Galaxy Tab.
The descriptions speaks for themselves.
Apple used those very words to describe how similar the Galaxy Tab was to the iPad.
So now it's not about consumers having an independent observation vis a vis opinion about products but you adhering to an generic patent definition that no one on this forum ever cared about or agreed with? Sounds like you're the unobjective fanboy here.
The interface for Amazon is a completely overhauled version and has no relation to Android what so ever when it comes to UI.
It is completely Amazon's own. I would even go far as to say that the UI on the Kindle Fire is more simple than the iPad.
Talk about double standards. I haven't seen you make one derogatory comment about the Kindle Fire being proprietary and closed.
Talk about double standards. I haven't seen you make one derogatory comment about the Kindle Fire being proprietary and closed.
I will get to that after the design argument is panned out.
So I take it you are in agreement with me since you are moving onto another topic?
I will get to that after the design argument is panned out.
So I take it you are in agreement with me since you are moving onto another topic?
1) I am agreement with reasonable people that Samsung has blatantly stolen Apple's HW and UI designs whilst Amazon has created something that can't be confused with an Apple product at first glance.
2) You can't hold more than one text-based conversations at a time?
I'm surprised none of you mention its a direct copy of the iPad.
Rounded corners, flat even borders all around, with a touch screen interface.
What gives?
Is this a double standard?
So why don't you fill us in on how the entire SIX points the German judge used when reaching a decision on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 relate to the Kindle Fire?
You know, to show you aren't just another run of the mill, tiresome, "OMG Apple patented the rectangle!!!" troll.
Or, for the price of a refurb 16 GB WiFi iPad 1 you get:
$299 iPad 1
-Free 5 GB iCloud storage
-Free unlimited iCloud storage for purchased iTunes (and you don't have to spend hours/days uploading your music)
-Free unlimited iCloud storage for purchased Apps
What is iCloud?
Why would you relegate yourself to a single core AND pay $100 more when you can have a dual core processor, all the music, apps, movies + others all on a free cloud basis system. All for $199?
Plus its small enough so you can take it with you where ever. Inside a hand bag, even. Also, you can check out books from the local public library with the Kindle Fire.
Good try.
Here's your answer:
Some points to keep in mind:
1) This thing has no mic or camera. So it won't support apps like Skype.
2) The Amazon Appstore (6 countries?) and all their various media services are still not available everywhere.
3) Kindle Games are US only I believe.
4) Amazon Prime is US only
5) It won't have the most popular apps on Android: all the Google apps (Maps, GMail, Gtalk, Google Earth)..
And an iPad is small enough to take anywhere, even if it's not as small as the Fire.
Dick, I think the iPad 2 as a lower-cost model next year, ala the iPhone line-up, would be the way to go if Apple were going down that route. But a refurb iPad 1 @ $299 is currently a good alternative to the Fire, particularly if want to be able to do a bit more (especially on the app side) and you're already in the iTunes "echo system"