First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.
Nah, I'd have to guess you're new to watching Apple this closely. It's always been this way. That's why it's not worth reading into rumours. You'll only end up disappointed. I'm generally disappointed with every keynote and have been for about ten years now. When you're this seasoned, it's sensible to get cynical.
I'm predicting Apple won't use the name iPhone 5 at all now because of the ridiculous rumour mongering this time around. I predict it'll be the iPhone LTE akin to iPhone 3G.
I seriously doubt the 2012 iPhone will be called iPhone 5. I expect it to be called iPhone 4G and to retain the same form factor as the 4 and the 4S.
That depends on 4G being ratified as a specific technology by that time. I don't believe it has yet. If they go down the LTE route it should be the iPhone LTE.
It's "LTE Advanced" that is a 4G candidate technology. LTE (non-Advanced) isn't a candidate for being ratified as 4G.
Imagine if the next iPhone is called the iPhone 4G! Then people will have to learn - say it with me, "G before S in English, but S before G in Apple!".
So, we will have the iPhone 4S - pronounced "iPhone Force" & iPhone 4G - pronounced "iPhone Forge". Round that off with calling the next iteration as the iPhone 4K and that would be perfect!
Well, that's my useless post for the day. I am pretty disappointed with this, but I felt the same way about the 3GS and I picked that up in a hurry when it was available. I'm sure I'll do the same with the 4S as well.
The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.
Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?
The processor SoC for the iPad was available in March. You don't know jack about Siri.
The smart phone market is accelerating rapidly but it is still in its infancy...
I do really like the iPhone 4S (and plan to upgrade from my 3GS), but I do think Apple really needed to get this phone out the door a little sooner and had some cosmetic differences.
Like I said in another post, I think the reason we have don't have an iPhone 5 today is directly linked to the firing of Mark Papermaster...
First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.
Yesterday, I posted the opinion that Steve got out while the getting was good.
This release reverses many trends at Apple. It might signal changes that the old-time Apple fans will not like. It clearly shows that Apple thinks the profit sweet spot is not at the cutting edge of phone tech, but rather, in the mid-market. They have already made the change with computers, and now with phones.
"Good enough for Grandma" is likely what Apple is aiming for now.
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
etc etc etc
Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.
your forgot first iPhone. the cycle changes if you add that to the mix.
iPhone - (original)
iPhone 3G - (case design change)
iPhone 3GS - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4 (case design change)
iPhone 4S - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone ? - (case design change)
when the case design changes, very little changes in the hardware. the 3G added a 3G antenna and a slightly better camera but the processor was essentially the same. the 4 also added a better camera, and the processor was now apple branded, but not a huge jump from that in the 3GS.
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
etc etc etc
Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.
You're missing the major argument in that it shouldn't take 16 months for an incremental upgrade which is far less than the 3GS from the 3G. It's you who's not understanding.
Oh please... this is the same kind of nonsense that naysayers, whiners, and iHaters said about "Antennagate", the small screen, and using glass for both sides of the phone.
But hey, thanks to folks like you, we can add yet another "Apple is doomed" rant about coming out with a "4s" moniker instead of a number 5.
There was no misstep on Apple's part. This is the Apple's methodical and evolutionary approach to not rush things to market before they're ready.
I guess in your world, a new model that is 7-9 times faster than the previous phone is just not good enough for tech-heads like you.
You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.
You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.
Yet that took only 10 months and received a whole new chasis.
Is that the same analyst who said on Monday that Apple would release a new iPhone 5 - and had pictures of a case with an iPhone 5 label on it to back it up?
I really don't understand all the chatter over the name - look at the specs side by side - comparing which ever two phones you like (3G, 3GS, 4, 4S) and ignore the name and decide for yourself if spending $ on the new model is worth it for you compared to what you have.
Or consider the possible resale value (or hand me down value) of your current phone.
Good design != cosmetic differences. People wanted an improved design.
People (in the tech world) fall into two groups, those that will hate anything Apple does whatever and the rest (an ever growing group). Duel core A5 chip, new antenna technology, new Camera chip, lens and software, 1080p HD video at 30 fps with gyroscopic stabilization! The 4s is literally a better still camera, a better HD video camera than the vast majority of people currently have as well as more powerful than many PCs out here. Oh and it happens to be a world phone too with transfer rates faster than any other phone where a network is truly able to support it.
I suspect if it had the ability to transport matter the Apple haters would still be making stupid comments. I will just keep watching my long term held Apple stock and smile.
If you think iPad 1 to iPad 2 was just a case change you shouldn't be on this blog. Try the Leggo users group might be intellectually more your your style
I don't but perhaps a refresher course in reading comprehension should be considered an option by you. In fact I'd say mandatory.
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.
Nah, I'd have to guess you're new to watching Apple this closely. It's always been this way. That's why it's not worth reading into rumours. You'll only end up disappointed. I'm generally disappointed with every keynote and have been for about ten years now. When you're this seasoned, it's sensible to get cynical.
Does anyone want to buy a few million useless iPhone 5 cases?
I had a feeling those cases were a Chinese con. Poor suckers who bought those things.
I seriously doubt the 2012 iPhone will be called iPhone 5. I expect it to be called iPhone 4G and to retain the same form factor as the 4 and the 4S.
That depends on 4G being ratified as a specific technology by that time. I don't believe it has yet. If they go down the LTE route it should be the iPhone LTE.
It's "LTE Advanced" that is a 4G candidate technology. LTE (non-Advanced) isn't a candidate for being ratified as 4G.
So, we will have the iPhone 4S - pronounced "iPhone Force" & iPhone 4G - pronounced "iPhone Forge". Round that off with calling the next iteration as the iPhone 4K and that would be perfect!
Well, that's my useless post for the day. I am pretty disappointed with this, but I felt the same way about the 3GS and I picked that up in a hurry when it was available. I'm sure I'll do the same with the 4S as well.
The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.
Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?
The processor SoC for the iPad was available in March. You don't know jack about Siri.
I do really like the iPhone 4S (and plan to upgrade from my 3GS), but I do think Apple really needed to get this phone out the door a little sooner and had some cosmetic differences.
Like I said in another post, I think the reason we have don't have an iPhone 5 today is directly linked to the firing of Mark Papermaster...
First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.
Yesterday, I posted the opinion that Steve got out while the getting was good.
This release reverses many trends at Apple. It might signal changes that the old-time Apple fans will not like. It clearly shows that Apple thinks the profit sweet spot is not at the cutting edge of phone tech, but rather, in the mid-market. They have already made the change with computers, and now with phones.
"Good enough for Grandma" is likely what Apple is aiming for now.
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
etc etc etc
Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.
Cosmetic differences on an annual basis
Good design != cosmetic differences. People wanted an improved design.
What part of this don't these guys understand:
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
etc etc etc
your forgot first iPhone. the cycle changes if you add that to the mix.
iPhone - (original)
iPhone 3G - (case design change)
iPhone 3GS - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4 (case design change)
iPhone 4S - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone ? - (case design change)
when the case design changes, very little changes in the hardware. the 3G added a 3G antenna and a slightly better camera but the processor was essentially the same. the 4 also added a better camera, and the processor was now apple branded, but not a huge jump from that in the 3GS.
What part of this don't these guys understand:
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
etc etc etc
Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.
You're missing the major argument in that it shouldn't take 16 months for an incremental upgrade which is far less than the 3GS from the 3G. It's you who's not understanding.
Oh please... this is the same kind of nonsense that naysayers, whiners, and iHaters said about "Antennagate", the small screen, and using glass for both sides of the phone.
But hey, thanks to folks like you, we can add yet another "Apple is doomed" rant about coming out with a "4s" moniker instead of a number 5.
There was no misstep on Apple's part. This is the Apple's methodical and evolutionary approach to not rush things to market before they're ready.
I guess in your world, a new model that is 7-9 times faster than the previous phone is just not good enough for tech-heads like you.
You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.
[Siri] also uses GOBS of RAM... much more than is currently in the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.
All the reports coming out suggest that the iPhone 4S has the same amount of RAM as the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.
And what is your source on Siri using lots of RAM? Why would it? Engadget is reporting that most of the processing is done server-side anyway.
You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.
Yet that took only 10 months and received a whole new chasis.
Next?
Good try.
I really don't understand all the chatter over the name - look at the specs side by side - comparing which ever two phones you like (3G, 3GS, 4, 4S) and ignore the name and decide for yourself if spending $ on the new model is worth it for you compared to what you have.
Or consider the possible resale value (or hand me down value) of your current phone.
Good design != cosmetic differences. People wanted an improved design.
People (in the tech world) fall into two groups, those that will hate anything Apple does whatever and the rest (an ever growing group). Duel core A5 chip, new antenna technology, new Camera chip, lens and software, 1080p HD video at 30 fps with gyroscopic stabilization! The 4s is literally a better still camera, a better HD video camera than the vast majority of people currently have as well as more powerful than many PCs out here. Oh and it happens to be a world phone too with transfer rates faster than any other phone where a network is truly able to support it.
I suspect if it had the ability to transport matter the Apple haters would still be making stupid comments. I will just keep watching my long term held Apple stock and smile.
Yet that took only 10 months and received a whole new chasis.
Next?
Good try.
If you think iPad 1 to iPad 2 was just a case change you shouldn't be on this blog. Try the Leggo users group might be intellectually more your style.
Anyway, let us just wait to see the sales figures in a few months and see if Apple have blundered or not
If you think iPad 1 to iPad 2 was just a case change you shouldn't be on this blog. Try the Leggo users group might be intellectually more your your style
I don't but perhaps a refresher course in reading comprehension should be considered an option by you. In fact I'd say mandatory.